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Bloat sucks

Discussion in 'General RPG Discussion' started by JarlFrank, May 11, 2020.

  1. Shadenuat Arcane

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    added Jarl to a list of steam review people who are too proud to lower the difficulty.
     
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  2. jungl Learned

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    kangmaker bloat gets stupid past hard difficulty. That is when you got to have multi class monks for ac bonuses or you get trainwrecked. Hard difficulty makes you respect what your up against. Sending nok nok against 3 undead giants with 36 strength score? 2. Oh oh 2 crits in a row nok nok just took over double his hp pool he is not getting resurrected without becoming mr potatoe head. The only crpg I remember where bloat was annoying and you couldn't get around it was oblivion.

    Pretty much every crpg becomes autistic stupid at highest difficulties. I played avernum 2 on torment difficulty for a good chunk of the game then I started fighting 10 or more enemies and my run officially came to a end. Why? cause you NEED a team of mages to aoe the bloated enemies hp.
     
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  3. Ol' Willy Magister

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    What the fuck you have against the min-maxing? It's like every post I see from you is about how you don't like the min-maxing. A childhood trauma?
     
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  4. lukaszek the determinator

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    you could easily achieve permanent 100% chameleon or reflect
     
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  5. the mole Educated Shitposter

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    I like being able to dabble in a few skills and not be relegated to swinging an axe ONLY for an entire playthrough

    Why have so many skills in a game when you are forced to max one

    Age of Dickdance is the worst at this

    Rationally swords and spears would be shit against metal armor, so maybe in a logical world you also invest in hammers or daggers, in the case you come across someone in heavy armor

    In a logical system hammers and daggers would have a damage bonus against heavy armor, where as swords would have bonuses against unarmored or lightly armored

    But in reality in Age of Dickdance you invest in one skill or else you're gimped, even if to a player seeing 57 skills it would seem logical to invest in more than 1, based on maybe needing a skill for a certain situation
     
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  6. Anthedon Arcane Patron

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    Shadorwun: Hong Kong Divinity: Original Sin 2 Pillars of Eternity 2: Deadfire
    They fixed that particular bloat problem in ELEX. By removing the character sheet.

    Not that I consider Gothic 1 and 2 problematic in that regard, both games have basically no bloat compared to most modern titles.
     
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  7. ERYFKRAD Barbarian Patron

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    Serpent in the Staglands Shadorwun: Hong Kong Pillars of Eternity 2: Deadfire
     
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  8. Ol' Willy Magister

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    You know, in real life you wouldn't be learning all the possible fighting skills. You can't be a sniper, machinegunner, tank-driver and pilot at once. That makes sense for party based RPG when you can have a team of narrowly specialized people.

    On the other hand, if game goes against min-maxing, 99% probability that it encourages powergaming
     
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  9. the mole Educated Shitposter

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    Actually in real life you can learn how to do all of those things because they arent that fucking hard

    Who's to say your rational character wont use different tools for different objectives

    Say you need to make a long distance shot, will you use a plane or a sniper rifle

    Say should I use a tank or a machine gun to defend a position
     
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  10. the mole Educated Shitposter

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    I'd say a warrior and soldier in Roman times would have enough time to learn how to swing a sword and a hammer

    They are the exact same movement

    It isnt complicated
     
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  11. the mole Educated Shitposter

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    What's the opposite of power gaming, being a helpless noodle armed low iq pussy
     
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  12. the mole Educated Shitposter

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    Why would I want to play a game like that
     
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  13. the mole Educated Shitposter

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    Oh fuck I cant learn how to use a rifle now because I learned handguns
     
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  14. the mole Educated Shitposter

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    Imagine being that caliber of idiot in your real life
     
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  15. Blutwurstritter Learned

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    Neither do i, rather the opposite. High numbers have their place if used right, which is why i chose Gothic as example. Fallout 1 does the
    same with power armor. I also remember some old jrpgs, Secrets of Evermore and Grandia II, where rising numbers across the board
    weren't a problem. So i keep wondering what the real problem is.
     
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  16. the mole Educated Shitposter

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    I'm sure you can find a large portion of men who understand how to operate a tank, a sniper rifle, a machine gun, and on their free time aquire a pilot license

    None of those things are extremely complicated to learn

    You press a few buttons and control a joystick
     
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  17. the mole Educated Shitposter

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    Just like anyone who can swing a sword can learn how to swing a hammer in about 5 minutes
     
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  18. Tigranes Prestigious Gentleman Arcane

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    Your posts have convinced me, mole

    It is possible for someone to be so retarded that they've never learned a goddamn single thing in their entire life
     
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  19. the mole Educated Shitposter

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    A man who already knows how to fly a plane could learn to drive a tank in 5 minutes

    It's just a fucking armored car
     
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  20. the mole Educated Shitposter

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    And a man who can do both of those things can learn how to use a machine gun and sniper rifle in about 2 minutes
     
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  21. the mole Educated Shitposter

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    And a man who can swing a sword can learn how to swing a hammer in about 30 seconds
     
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  22. Trashos Arcane

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    Dude, your posts are not good enough to justify taking over the thread. Shut the fuck up for a while, and return when in your senses.
     
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  23. BBMorti Arcane

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    What the fuck is wrong with that mole dude
     
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  24. abnaxus Arcane Patron

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    Ash yam + bloat.
     
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  25. Zanzoken Arcane

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    Someone with high Alchemy skill please mix a potion for our friend the mole.
     
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