Borderlands 3

[fantadomat]

Are there still player base for this shit? I though that it died out a decade ago.

 

[Modron]

There are 13,800+ people playing Borderlands 2 right now:
https://steamdb.info/app/49520/graphs/

2100+ playing the presequel
https://steamdb.info/app/261640/graphs/

1000+ across the 2 different appids for the original
https://steamdb.info/app/8980/graphs/
https://steamdb.info/app/729040/graphs/

Also dat 10-20 million owners of Borderlands 2 estimate, I would wager there is still potentially quite an audience for Borderlands 3.

 

[Ivan]

 

[CthuluIsSpy]

Are there still player base for this shit? I though that it died out a decade ago.

You bet there is. Borderlands 2 community is still going strong.
Turns out people like their rng loot and loud obnoxious noises.
I still maintain that Borderlands 1 is better, and Bulletstorm is better than that.

 

[sullynathan]

Also dat 10-20 million owners of Borderlands 2 estimate, I would wager there is still potentially quite an audience for Borderlands 3.

22 million copies sold in fact. The game is huge, way bigger than I thought.

 

[Tehdagah]

They know how to market the game.

 

[flyingjohn]

They know how to market the game.

Marketing to fortnite fans is a stupid pr move. Fortnite players only play fortnite. And the moment they play the game and see the game last more then 10 minutes they will refund instantly.

 

[DalekFlay]

22 million copies sold in fact. The game is huge, way bigger than I thought.

It's how Randy is still mostly okay with game journos. Like with Rockstar, once you sell 20 million you get an exemption.

 

[Azalin]

They know how to market the game.

Marketing to fortnite fans is a stupid pr move. Fortnite players only play fortnite. And the moment they play the game and see the game last more then 10 minutes they will refund instantly.

Considering that it's an Epic exclusive trying to target the Fortnite fans seems like a logical move

 

[Gerrard]

I think the word you were looking for is "desperate".

 

[DalekFlay]

I think the word you were looking for is "desperate".

Borderlands 2 sold 22 million copies and you think 2K are desperate with Borderlands 3?

 

[CthuluIsSpy]

Yeah, desperate isn't the right word. Gearbox did fuck up with their PC / SJW garbage, but the majority of their fans are sycophants who probably like that sort of thing, so it doesn't matter.
The word you looking for is "greedy"

 

[Reinhardt]

The word you looking for is "shit"

 

[Infinitron]

63/100 https://www.pcgamer.com/borderlands-3-review/

BORDERLANDS 3 REVIEW
Bad jokes clash with great guns in a looter shooter lost in time.

Borderlands 3 is The Family Circus by way of Spencer's Gifts, a game with long, earnest quests about how darn good coffee is punctuated by gore and gun violence. Borderlands 3 walks by dog poop, points at it, and laughs, and then sets it on fire. Borderlands 3 stays up until 11:30 pm drinking soda and googling crass Flash animations, taking detailed notes.

It's stuck in the late '00s, when surface level vulgarity was enough to qualify as edgy—Borderlands 3 is seriously obsessed with turds—and when the series was first conceived. It's stuck in a time when memes lasted months rather than days, when referential humor was still a novelty and not exhausting, when you could point at something the slightest bit abnormal or gross and call it a joke. Simpler times, not necessarily better times.

Our distance from the era Borderlands 3 evokes makes it feel like a retro shooter rather than alive and present in modern humor and pop culture. It's simultaneously repulsive and compulsive, an FPS RPG that excels when its weapon generation system spits out guns that feels great to shoot, adorned with broken attributes capable of turning hordes of goons, bugs, and soldiers into clouds of red mist, elemental particles, explosions, and big damage numbers.

Then it tells one of its many long, bad jokes and the cloud dissipates. I have horrific whiplash.

With Borderlands 3, a few things have changed, but to little effect. It's still a Diablo-like masquerading as a shooter, now with new traversal moves, gorgeous gun models, and improved weapon feedback. But Gearbox has done little to build on the Borderlands formula, while chucking the pitch perfect writing of Tales from the Borderlands in the bin. It's the best and the worst of the series at once.

Skagological
Tales from the Borderlands proved that the Borderlands universe could balance goofy slapstick comedy with great character work, gracefully swaying between fourth-wall breaking gags about videogame clichés and heartfelt drama. It irreversibly changed what I expect from the series.

But Borderlands 3 opts for a best-of approach, something like a sitcom clip show. The new space travel setup takes the player on a tour of the galaxy in search of yet more vaults, each stop an excuse to roll out an old character only for them to disappear or fade into the background as soon as they say hello, shoot some folks, and crack a few one-liners in sidequests that do little to reveal anything about them or test them in any way.

Most don't change or press on the main narrative in vital ways, functioning as conduits for strained laughs or the rare serious moment, but rarely both. Some even disappear for good, with little ceremony or reflection. It's as if I'm meant to come to Borderlands 3 with a preexisting deep affection for them all, and just seeing them should be enough to win my heart.

The new big bads, the Calypso Twins, are murderous livestreamers whose motives and histories only become clear in the final act. Until then, they're just two cartoon villains who take up beef with the vault hunter, gunning to open the same vaults and collect the power within. There's not much more to them besides long, obnoxious monologues about how much I suck. Even as a parody of livestreamers, they offer no cultural commentary. They're just shitty, power hungry people who will do anything to rule the universe.

Glimmers of heart are buried deep. I dug the cute relationship between Sir Hammerlock, a charming interplanetary big game hunter, and his new boyfriend on Eden-6, and the fiery spirit of a young, new adventurer studying under Maya, but there are few genuine jokes, dramatic beats, or interesting character moments in Borderlands 3.

A few quests: I collect brown rock specimens (poop) for a guy obsessed with brown rock specimens (poop), Claptrap needs help building a 'friend' who is clearly a feminine robot for his creepy private purposes, I plant dynamite in a massive poop dam to save a farm, I help a guy open a burger joint while he yells about burgers a lot, I help a guy escape from a porta-potty for a poop-spewing rocket launcher—it's borderline unbearable.

There's a quest-giver who does their best Tommy Wiseau impression and talks about making movies, which is the whole 20-minute long punchline—the joke is simply knowing who he is. Another makes fun of exploitative microtransactions and buggy early access games with a boring quest that forced me to either spend in-game cash for an easy skip or perform tedious tasks. It goes on for so long that I gladly would've paid real money to skip it. Like many Borderlands bits, it's a joke that could've been a two-minute gag extended to 10 times that.

My favorite quests were the least chatty and most shooty, a rarity, as the bulk of Borderlands 3 reads like teenage lunch table improv circa Austin Powers 2: The Spy Who Shagged Me.

Worse, there's no way to skip through the dialogue. Quests lurch into motion like an old car: listen to an NPC talk for 30 seconds, press a button as if twisting the ignition, more talking, more heaving of the engine, pick up an object, more talking, spit, putter, and now the objective location is revealed. And we're off.

Worst, I ran into a handful of scripting bugs where bits of dialogue repeated endlessly and quests became impossible to complete without restarting the game. Seeing markers for multiple quests at the same time isn't possible either. The inventory system is largely unchanged. Borderlands 3 is a bundle of aged design and frustrating inefficiencies.

Spoiler

Under the guns
The new locations are a welcome change of scenery from the muted deserts of Pandora, though it's still home to the most zones and where I spent the most time throughout the campaign. Eden-6 is your typical swampy jungle, where fire-breathing dinos and club-wielding, shit-tossing jabbers chased me around swamps and through the treetops. Promethea is a slick corporate dystopia composed of uniformly branded architecture and neon lighting.

A few surprise locations mix things up further, though most environments are still a few open areas with branching corridors. Borderlands' signature comic book style hasn't changed much, but it looks significantly sharper in 2019, with characters and sweeping vistas that communicate scale and personality clearer than ever.

Each location has its own enemy types, but in practice there's not much difference between fighting a swarm of COV soldiers spawning in from all directions or a swarm of bandits spawning in from all directions. Borderlands 3 usually tests players with a mess of enemies in open, multi-tiered arenas, more of a war of attrition than a tactical puzzle.

Besides a few tough bosses, the true challenge came from deciding whether to shelve a badass electro-pistol that basically functioned as a super shotgun or a fiery SMG that shot bullets in a heart-shaped pattern for a plain weapon with an elemental damage affinity better suited to a region's enemy type.

Corrosive dissolves armor, electric damage melts shields, and fire burns flesh. Radiation damage makes enemies explode, which is always fun. I just tired of repeatedly killing my darlings (fun guns) for lesser darlings (boring guns which are technically better for the situation). Trying new weapons is part of Borderlands' appeal, but there can be huge droughts between the truly good ones until the endgame.

I'm partial to the Tediore SMGs. Rather than reload them, you toss 'em out and a new one materializes in your hands. I had one that would sprout legs and fire a few rockets before exploding after being tossed. My favorite shotgun chains electric damage to all nearby enemies, deleting the room's shields and dissolving handfuls of weaker enemies at once. Jakobs sniper rifles are ornate, gilded works of art, less playful but extremely lethal. I found a legendary that, if I land a headshot, will ricochet and pop another guy's head in the room.

The view-models are gorgeous too, ranging from chunky, volatile machinery to egg-shaped flawless future tech. Guns whir and spin up and little pieces kick around as they fire, some smoke, some sigh, and some whine like a VCR mid-rewind. I've yet to tire of watching loot rain down from defeated enemies, the signal light for something I haven't seen before. Wild gear is the reason to play Borderlands 3, and the guns, as expected, are its fervently beating heart.

As expected, it's better with friends, though the extra enemies and explosions run counter to the shooting refinements. With so much visual noise against a mess of flat colors and thick lines, I often can't see what I'm pointing at, making well-aimed critical shots an act of faith rather than intent and skill.

Enemies react better to getting shot and now we can crouch-slide and ground pound and the guns look and feel much more like actual machines instead of cardboard DPS dispensers—and yet, combat still devolves into the same rhythms as the previous games. Enemies are too dumb and erratic and spongy to force tactical play. The most reliable plan: jump around, throw all the grenades, lay down on the fire button, use my Action Skill the second it recharges, and take cover only when necessary. It's good lizard-brain fun.

Borderlands 3's new vault hunters don't break much new ground either. While they each have three diverse skill trees and accompanying Action Skills perfect for squads looking to complement one another, there's nothing in the combat that requires close cooperation between classes as of yet, despite the inclusion of some context-sensitive ping tools. Calling out targets and pointing out loot locations is easy.

Moze summons a mech for some ridiculous damage-dealing, Amara is a siren with ghostly arms great for crowd control and AOE attacks, while Zane can summon a drone, shield, or decoy for more technical play. I spent the most time as FL4K, a robot with a pet companion, a great option for solo players.

My build turns the Skag into a nightmare. Wherever he spawns, a radioactive explosion. Wherever he walks, enemies trail as he tanks them in a cloud of poison. Goons explode like bloody pustules in his wake, limbs whirling around a singularity while I—wearing a horse head and an American flag skin—fire rockets and toss grenades into the mess. This is what I love about Borderlands. I found it, beneath the thick sediment of poop jokes.

I do this for around 30 hours, and while the novelty wanes the inherently repetitive action is propped by an endless font of cool guns, grenades, class mods, artifacts, and shields, each with their own ridiculous attributes. If Destiny 2's guardians are architectural blueprints with structure and purpose, Borderlands 3's skill trees produce Jackson Pollock vault hunters, spatterings of light and sound, where disorder is the point.

Once I finished the campaign, swept up the majority of side quests, and hit the level cap—something like 30 hours of play—when the NPCs quit talking and the focus returned to ruining hordes of enemies and finding more efficient weapons to do it with, I settled into a comfortable routine and remembered why I have hundreds of hours logged in Borderlands 2.

The clouds of red mist and particle effects returned, the numbers grew, and so too did my heart. The endgame had arrived.

Sadly, the endgame is pretty shallow at launch. It's all about accumulating better loot, but I'm a bit backed into a corner. Mayhem mode modifies enemy difficulty for better rewards with three levels to work through. Think of Diablo 3's difficulty levels: juice the challenge to earn better loot until it's no longer difficult, juice it yet again for better loot. I'd say ad infinitum, but there are only three Mayhem levels at launch.

The alternative is True Vault Hunter Mode, which kicks off a new campaign with all your loot and abilities in tow. Good in theory, I just never want to play the campaign again. A few repeatable timed gauntlets and waved-based horde modes are my only alternative, so I'll just wait for the DLC and hope the writing is better.

Between the bugs, the extended non-jokes, the self-aggrandizing jabs at game design trends, and a few cameos I won't spoil but that made me audibly groan, Borderlands 3 has a lot in common with Gearbox fan events as of late. There's a lot of loud, extended posturing while holding what everyone really came for hostage. It's a shame, because Tales from the Borderlands found a delicate balance of absurdity, self-awareness, and genuine heart. A better Borderlands is possible, it's just not Borderlands 3.

THE VERDICT
63

BORDERLANDS 3
An endless font of bad jokes and cool guns in the series' most vapid story yet, Borderlands 3 skates by on watching numbers fly and goons explode.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

So this won't have anything like Diablo 2's closed battle.net?
I have little interest in grinding for loot in a singleplayer game nor playing an easily hackable game online tbh

 

[CthuluIsSpy]

Maybe if Gearbox spent less time Virtue Signalling and more time working the end product won't be as mediocre.

 

[A_boring_GOG_bot]

What is the age of the target audience ?

 

[PrettyDeadman]

What is the age of the target audience ?

30 yo male feminists.

 

[Wirdschowerdn]

I found the gameplay loop in Borderlands fairly solid, but the whole series is ruined by dumb and annoying characters, retarded world building and just an overall shit art direction.

 

[fantadomat]

The first game was not bad. But that was a decade ago,i can't believe that there is still fans of that shit,outside of old youtube gamers trying to be hip.

 

[CthuluIsSpy]

I found the gameplay loop in Borderlands fairly solid, but the whole series is ruined by dumb and annoying characters, retarded world building and just an overall shit art direction.

It wasn't that bad in Borderlands 1, and I liked the whole gritty, filthy, dying world design, but Borderlands 2 and onwards really upped the stupidity, and completely fucked up the world by introducing lush jungles and making the world seem overall cleaner.

 

[DalekFlay]

That PC Gamer review is amusing, judging a Diablo style loot addict grind game mostly by its story and characters. Wut?

 

[CthuluIsSpy]

That PC Gamer review is amusing, judging a Diablo style loot addict grind game mostly by its story and characters. Wut?

It makes sense when you remember how much the gaming press and Gearbox / Borderlands fan base gushed over how good the story and characters in Borderlands 2 was (it isn't and they weren't) and how Handsome Jack was an amazing villain (he wasn't. He's the most interesting character in a cast of annoying, bland shits, but he's not that great, and is actually a complete dumbass).

 

[Lone Wolf]

Even better than the ridiculous 'review', our friend James Davenport's bio is extraordinary. He's apparently PC Gamer's resident 'bad boy, staying up late to cover Fortnite'. Okay, James.

The aggregate reviews are overwhelmingly positive, but the caveat here is that B3 is B2+, not a revolution in looter shooters. What you're getting is a lot of guns, diverse enemies and locations, plentiful customization and a tongue resting in cheek. I really enjoyed B2, so this appeals to me.

 

[Gerrard]

63/100 https://www.pcgamer.com/borderlands-3-review/

Badass.