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Caves of Qud (ROGUELIKE) deserves our love

Discussion in 'General RPG Discussion' started by MisterStone, Jan 8, 2011.

  1. Lacrymas Arcane

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    Pathfinder: Kingmaker
    It's not so much the few first hours, but the exploration and "impetus" let's say of the middle and end-game. It might be fun exploring featureless swamps and forests for the first 2 hours until you get used to your character, but it needs more than that after. Like for example a crashed alien ship you can find, or a laboratory where people are trying to reverse the mutations gone sexual wrong, or pre-apocalypse technology vaults with secrets or something. That's what I mean.
     
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  2. buffalo bill Arcane

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    There are things like that. The game is certainly not just flower fields and forests and swamps. I think the mid-game content is far better than the early-game content, especially the Golgotha and Bethesda Susa dungeons. Enemy variety also opens up.
     
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  3. Lacrymas Arcane

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    Ok, you convinced me, I bought it.
     
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  4. Catacombs Arcane Patron

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    Smart move. See you in 100 hours!
     
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  5. BinaryForest Novice

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    Years long development with frequent updates and features coming/going is pretty par for the course for classic roguelikes. They're like the proto-games as a service, except without the part where they squeeze money from you at every opportunity
     
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  6. Lacrymas Arcane

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    There's a difference between feature creep and adding content or refining already existing features. Feature creep takes away from the focus of the game by adding superfluous activities or replacing core gameplay loops. For example adding crafting which replaces the need for loot hunt, it obviously cheapens the loot hunt (*cough* D:OS1-2, Tower of Time *cough*) and the rewards from it.
     
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  7. Tse Tse Fly Learned

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    Interesting, when will this thing finally get out of early access? According to the information on the home page full release was supposed to happen in 2017, 2018, 2019, but it gets delayed again and again.
     
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  8. Lacrymas Arcane

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    Roguelikes never seem to be finished, but I guess it's gonna be "officially" released once they complete the main quest.
     
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  9. There are fixed bosses and unique creature, also there are unique locations (including dungeons).
     
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  12. buffalo bill Arcane

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    Game-wise, not a very exciting post (though the soundtrack is good imo):

     
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  13. Catacombs Arcane Patron

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    I enjoyed the music. Good to know it'll be downloadable soon.
     
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  14. Molina Learned

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    I'm not sure whether to buy Cave of Qud or ADOM. I'd like a rogue like, where I could build my own story. I'm looking forward to the release of DF steam for that... but in the meantime... Do you have any suggestions?
     
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  15. Fowyr Prestigious Gentleman Arcane

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    Just play ADOM 1.1.1 or that old free ASCII verison of Qud. make your own opinion.
     
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  16. Tao Savant

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    Be carefull, is a drug.
     
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  17. Trash Pointing and laughing.

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    One thing I often miss in roguelikes are interesting (procedural) quests that tie into the game. I like the procedural ones in stoneshard and wonder if anything like that is in Caves of Qud? Played it a long time ago and loved the descriptions and general feel of the world. Hope they did something with that setting that lets you have an impact on the world.
     
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  18. rusty_shackleford Arcane

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    ADOM is free
    https://www.adom.de/home/downloads.html
     
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  19. buffalo bill Arcane

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    First play the free ASCII ADOM (I personally really hate the tileset in the non-free one anyway). The free Caves of Qud is far, far different from the EA version, so I think it's worth paying for the non-free Qud. Overall, Qud is a more interesting and better game than ADOM imo (I've played both a ton, and love ADOM as well), but it's best to cut your teeth on ADOM first maybe.

    Qud has at least one interesting procedural quest, in the optional Bey Lah hidden village. It's sort of detective quest. There are also others in the randomly generated villages, and random quest-like tasks related to the sultans, but all of these generally amount to fancy fetch quests. I'm hoping they implement some more interesting optional non-fetch quests off the main storyline in the future. I should mention that I haven't played recently, and there is some new content at the end of the main path that might include procedural quest elements (in the beta branch).
     
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  20. rusty_shackleford Arcane

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    The free ADOM has full graphics. It's identical to the Steam version sans some options regarding difficulty stuff.
     
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  21. buffalo bill Arcane

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    Oh yeah, I see. I have only downloaded the ASCII one I guess. Again, I really dislike those tiles.
     
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  22. jungl Augur

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    so I tried this out and initially got a good impression and thought the game was awesome. Then I noticed how some builds are extremely op like con mutant with regen and horn mutation and lost interest. Also playing a rogue like without a end game and gradual growing challenge on the player is boring as can be.
     
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  23. Catacombs Arcane Patron

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    You're only limited by your imagination.
     
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    That and the lategame enemies that instakill you from offscreen before you ever see them.
     
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