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CD Projekt's CYBERPUNK 2077 Release Thread - Concerned For The Consoles

Discussion in 'CD Projekt Red' started by Sam Ecorners, Dec 10, 2020.

  1. KK1001 Arbiter

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    The game needed another 18 to 24 months to be the game it wanted to be (GTA driving, Yakuza side activities, improve RPG systems, meaningful loot).

    They nailed the music, sound, production design, world-building; it's just they clearly did not have enough time to iterate on the other systems.
     
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  2. Origin Augur

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    I doubt it's possible without rewriting significant portion of the game.

    The way textures are loaded on incoming objects, and cheap optimization hacks where objects disappear in front of your eyes are all duct tape solutions, made in sheer panic.

    I mean, 20 year old games like GTA 3 do this better.
     
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  3. J_C One Bit Studio Patron Developer Sad Loser

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    They were experienced in another type of games, not a modern shooter with more complex RPG mechanics than the Witcher games.
     
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  4. RobotSquirrel Learned

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    annoys me that they didn't keep the alpha UI style. That character creation looks way better I like that all the icons are displayed rather than hidden behind a separate menu like we have now.
    the fonts are a better choice for CP2020 and the colour is perfect for that as well. What we actually got looks worse than this.

    [​IMG]
     
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  5. NJClaw I'm single now, looking for a new forum boyfriend Patron

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    Oh, fuck off. You definitely know before launch if your game will be playable or not on consoles. If you decide not to show the game in order to trick consoles owners into buying an unplayable product, you don't get to wash away the criticism with a "oh yeah, we're sorry we did that".
     
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  6. Origin Augur

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    The distances this guy takes in justifying unjustifiable...

    They had more than enough funds to gather all necessary resources to prepare properly.
     
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  7. J_C One Bit Studio Patron Developer Sad Loser

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    OK. Then they did it in purpose to fuck people over. Happy now?
     
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  8. Origin Augur

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    No you naive dumbass, they accidentally, unknowingly released the game in such state.
     
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  9. KK1001 Arbiter

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    They did it because they knew they'd get more sales releasing it before Christmas and that the hit to their reputation or bottom line via refunds wasn't a powerful enough disincentive.

    They are probably right.
     
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  10. Perkel Arcane

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    look another retard. How te be troll:

    "people say graphics look good"
    "people don't discuss story or side content"

    Me troll thinks: Level of immersion is amazing but story is worse than in witcher3.
     
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  11. Haplo Cipher Patron

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    Well, the levelled loot is quite something. I've found a level 20 requirement sniper rifle at... level 2. On the other hand... might this mean hand-placed loot?
     
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  12. RobotSquirrel Learned

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    yeah it uses both. There's some items in the game world that are level fixed but others are level scaled this is why I was able to use Judy's gun for most of the game lol to be fair its pretty good not every day you find a tech pistol just lying around at the start of the game.
     
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  13. Perkel Arcane

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    Yeah most of iconic weapons (basically New Vegas style special versions of weapons) are euiter rewards from quests or handplaced they usually come with recipe for crafting which means that you can down the line craft better version of it.

    World also is not scaled to player. You can find at lvl1 gonks with SC 400 if you go to worse part of the city or badlands that will anihilate you just by looking at you.
     
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  14. J_C One Bit Studio Patron Developer Sad Loser

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    Did I say that? I asked you, did I say that you piece of shit. I fucking had enough of people giving words into my mouth and thinking that I'm the idiot here. Yes, they released it unfinished, and yes, they released it on purpose. But if you think the game is unfinished because they just wanted to create a mediocre game and call it a day, you are retarded. They probably had people on the team who were nowhere near as experienced as people in studios like Rockstar or Naughty Dog. They were inexperienced, they were incompetent and that is what they could cook up in this timeframe. They could have delayed it more, yes, but they became victim of their own marketing and hype. Releasing now was also a business decision. Don't bother replying, you are going on my ignore list, like everybody else who continously acts like an edgy Codex shitlord. And yes, I know I will get butthurt ratings.
     
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  15. Origin Augur

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    Maybe you're not self-conscious enough.
     
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  16. Zer0wing Cipher

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    I feel like we should have better slower introduction to V, his buttbudies and fixers than cutscene montage, 1 gig for Wakako and 1 sudden gig for Dex. Right after that sudden attention from supposed smartest of the fixers (he was off'd from the story in an almost Tarantino comedic way, not very smart), the story unfolds in a rollercoaster fasion. Game should have saved its slower pace and have at least some introductory content, not thrown into these big events like now.
     
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  17. Haplo Cipher Patron

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    Thing is, this rifle was not iconic. Nothing special about it really... apart from the level and DPS rating. Definitely looked hand placed, was located on a high balcony where some sniper probably was perched at a time, that you could reach via an elevator. Although its possible that you can find a randomized sniper rifle there?
     
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  18. Konjad High on potatoes Patron

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    It seems clear that the beginning was supposed to be much longer, but instead of a dozen or so missions we got the same "gameplay cutscene" as in the trailer. Such a shame.
     
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  20. msxyz Augur

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    I noticed that missions usually contain some hand placed loot (not all of it, money and junk is still random) that appears even if you reload an earlier save or play with another character. Never encountered such a disparity in levesl though. The max difference I found was +3 levels and that was a random weapon dropped by a gang member on the streets.
     
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  21. Black Arcane

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    Is there the Bladerunner pistol?
     
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  22. Correct_Carlo Arcane

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    Don't forget overly ambitious.

    There is such a massive rift between what Cyberpunk does incredibly well (World design, graphics, and main-story writing) and what it does awfully (everything else). Playing the game is almost whip-lash inducing as you will frequently run up against something that is almost transcendentally brilliant, in the sense that you've never seen anything like it in another video game before, and then run smack dab into some awful, 2000s era, shovelware level shit 5 minutes later that isn't just bad, but shockingly bad. Games rarely both succeed as marvelously and fail as miserably as Cyberpunk 2077 does, so there has to be an interesting story behind this failure: stuff that was dramatically cut, studio in-fighting, compromises, and etc.

    Everyone is rightly shitting on the AI, for example, but I highly, highly, doubt that this is what CDPR had planned. The AI is so colossally bad that I guarantee you that they had a more interesting AI system that was in some degree of completion in previous builds that they ended up having to cut at the last minute for some reason and quickly mock up this monstrosity just to ship the game. Why they did this, I don't know. It could be to make the game work on PS4, it could be because they alienated their staff, or it could just be that whatever they had planned wasn't working so they had to cut it. However, the game has such promise that I hope they are able dig out and finish some of the stuff they may have half-way implemented and cut.

    Who knows, though? It's also possible that none of this shit ever went beyond the planning phase and there was some kind of radical mismanagement going on behind the scenes which resulted in a rift between the high-level game designers and the actual coders. We are still close enough to the game's release that the recriminations haven't started yet, but at some point people who worked on the game will start talking about what happened behind the scenes. It's happened with every massively anticipated game that's been a mess on release.
     
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  23. Trithne Augur

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    The "Gameplay cutscene" is also what gave people the impression that they could do things like go dancing, etc.

    I feel like Act 1 makes more sense if you assume that Dex always planned to do what he does, which there's several hints towards being the case.

    Literally just one or two more missions with Jackie before the Dex job would make things feel less like you're on a Rollercoaster. Locking the Dex job behind a little bit of Street Cred would also ease the player in and push them into doing the Side Gigs, which are otherwise easily missed in all the noise. Maybe you could even take Jackie on them, and then I might actually miss him in Act 2.
     
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  24. Origin Augur

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    Tastes aside, graphics in this game is in no way done incredibly well.

    Only great part of the graphics is the general art style.

    Everything else about graphics is a hacked mess, covered with a layer of ray tracing to mask it.

    There is nothing technologically advanced about CP 2077 engine.

    Everybody can make game which looks nice while keeping still and falls apart as soon as you start moving, turn around etc.
     
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  25. Fedora Master Arcane Patron

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    Even the look of the city starts to crack once you look closer. Its obvious they had only a very limited amount of assets to work with, that's why there are vending machines EVERYWHERE, sometimes dozens of them, even when it makes zero sense. Same with the dildos and those waving cats and so on.
     
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