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CD Projekt's CYBERPUNK 2077 Release Thread - Concerned For The Consoles

Discussion in 'CD Projekt Red' started by Sam Ecorners, Dec 10, 2020.

  1. Lord of Riva Prophet Patron

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    After 27 hours and 18 mins I have beaten Cyberpunk 2077.

    No I have not ignored most side content but it's not like i cleared the map. I am level 25 and have 41 Street Cred.

    Sadly, I have to say that while there are some great story beats, in the end the game falls short when the Plot unravels. Since I started the side missions based on a) difficulty and b) map location I ended up making most content north in the map.

    I could only Access one *real* ending,

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    Arasaka
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    In which you work with Hanako Arasaka to overthrow her brother and get the biochip removed by Arasaka specialists in return (As a Corpo I also was able trying to get back on Arasakas payroll, which gets basically ignored in the ending).

    Turns out, and that is sadly something that I guessed basically after the heist, that saburo Arasaka has also been put on a Chip like Johnny silverhand and with your help takes over Yorunobus body and becomes basically immortal.

    Meanwhile you get your biochip removed, but this ends up not working, you will die in a few months. You get to decide: Do you want to go back for a few months to night city or get imprinted as well and hopefully at some point are allowed to get a new body at some unknown point in the future but you give up your rights as an individual and become property of Arasaka in the process.


    It is not necessarily the ending I would have chosen but I had no other options. Which is related to the mission design.

    There are some more complex sideplots which allow you to have different outcomes, apart from the ending I describe above you can also just
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    , I am however not entirely clear on how to trigger this content.
    I have progressed with Judy Alvarez side-content for example but after a Mission I have not received any further message from her even though the story has not concluded.

    That is a general issues, a lot of missions are triggered through a factor and it is not entirely evident what the actual triggers are. This ends up killing the mainstory for me as well, you basically have to jump between the three leads you have in between which breaks the story telling to some extent.

    I said the story unravels towards the end and the reason for that is two-fold. 1. The main conflict, namely what defines you and how does that relate to the happenings around you is neither set up well, nor is the writing good enough to hit the philosophical aspects adequately, it tries so hard to say anything relevant which in my opinion it absolutely fails to deliver. 2. Some of the aspects just do not make sense in the plot. For example are some of the fixers involved in the main mission. V talks as if they had some long standing business relationships but in my playthrough that was simply not the case.

    I mean the leader of the Nomads and Panam contacted me as part of the credits roll: Granted, you have to play Panams mission in which you see the leader of the nomads, in my case at least, for like 3 seconds, arguing with her but the game assumes that I know who that guy is and that I would be interested in his Prep talk.

    The conflict with Johnny was predictable
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    Basically he is taking over your body and his appearences are in fact the biochip taking over your decision making. Thats why he is giving out tips and "philosophical" questions, to make you behave more like him, it's basically just part of the process. Dr Hellman, a character you encounter later, warns you against exactly that. And since I played my character as an Antagonist towards Johnny, i suppressed his behavior any way I could.

    Still the game hinges on the fact that you have a relationship with him, the great reveal is "You already have become more me, than you" and that simply did not really fly with how I played my character. Granted, you can tell him to just fuck off, which is at least acknowledging that possibility but then there is nothing interesting the story has to say. The setups simply did not work for me, the tarots, the philosophical impacts based on prior decisions which amounted to "hah, i told you, you have changed" simply did not work *at all* for my character.


    I think this is somewhat related to the aspect why they thought FPP is a must, the last sequence actually was 3rd-Person, the game assumes you are playing yourself but *I* was not. I played a character and the game could not really handle that in my opinion.

    Now I know some people believe the gameplay is shit, but it really is not. The same issues i mentioned in the post prior to this one are still relevant for the full game but otherwise the game plays really well, especially the main missions are pretty well designed. Granted, I did not have a stealth build and went in hacking and guns blazing, if stealth was not necessary but the game is pretty fun and well designed otherwise.

    In the end what makes, or breaks, the game for me is replayability. There are still some sections I am unsure IF they are simple differences in Window dressing or if they are truly as dynamic as they seem so instead of trying to get the other endings with this character I will make a new one and try to change things around.

    My conclusions hinge on that to some extent, if the story changes are miniscule the game suffers from a mediocre story that is pretty well told, up to a certain point at least and then fails or the game is *still* amazing and just isn't able to keep it going until the end.

    just as evidence:
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  2. Ezeekiel Liturgist

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    Do you have any RT features on?
     
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  3. Child of Malkav Arbiter

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    CDPR never claimed that the game is an immersive sim. It's actually one of the first interviews they did after the 2018 gameplay reveal. They clarified it since then.
     
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  4. kangaxx Learned

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    If anyone in the UK wants to buy a cheap 2070S I have one collecting dust. It'll do a job for this game if you're on a budget.
     
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  5. Black Arcane

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    The real cyberpunk is copy pasting your ribbit posts on the Cockdex. Truly a hellish dystopia.
     
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  6. Readher Learned

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    I had a feeling that if I only posted it there or reposted it here manually, someone else would just come with screenshots of my post on reddit. Already happened once with my tweets to Josh Sawyer.
     
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  7. Justicar Dead game

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    Nigga you use reddit you should be banned on codex.
     
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  8. Ibn Sina Savant Patron

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    I have a laptop with an RTX 2060 and I ran the game fine with RTX on and a mix of Ultra and medium settings
     
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  9. Readher Learned

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    As shit as it is, plebbit is the biggest place to discuss games of every type. 4chan exists but you can either browse /v/ which is 90% shitposting and consolewar faggotry or browse genre-specific boards which are slow as fuck and have little discussion in most of the threads. It sucks, but it is what it is. I don't post on reddit as much as I used to anyway nowadays. Mostly when there's some kind of a shitstorm around a game so I can properly shit on it since I can't stand looking at all the shills and cucks in the comments.
     
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  10. SophosTheWise Arbiter

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    I've played the prologue with the heist and everything and thought this is a cool but buggy shooter with a nice story. But if that's actually the coolest part of the game, then I'm worried. Very worried.
     
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  11. Kruno Arcane Village Idiot Zionist Agent Shitposter

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    The worst part of the game is no matter how much armour (stat) that I have, it always feels like I am level 1 with no armour.

    Looks like CDPR shit the bed with this release.
     
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  12. Gerrard Arcane

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  13. Yosharian Magister

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    It's a question of where that development time, money and effort was spent.

    GTA 5 is basically a completely linear game with no character customisation and fairly mundane mechanics. And it had a budget comparable to Cyberpunk's.

    There's only so much a big developer can scale up even with lots of cash on hand, and CDPR's pockets certainly aren't as big as Rockstar's anyway.

    You can have the character customisation systems and open world complexity of Cyberpunk (even though it is somewhat lacking in that area, but still), or you can eschew that in favour of good driving.

    You can't have both, not without a much longer development period.

    Note I'm not defending the nonexistent driving AI of the game, I'm simply saying that you're looking at a complex equation and concluding 2+2=4. It just isn't as simple as you're making it out to be.

    And again, Rockstar have been at this game a lot longer than CDPR have.
     
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  14. Latelistener Arcane

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    Except Witcher 3 is the definition of a GPU bound game. You can play this shit on Ultra even on G4560 (2 cores, 4 threads), assuming you have something like 1070 or higher.

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    There are fps drops in the city, but that's to be excepted. It doesn't even have 4 physical cores.
     
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  15. GloomFrost Cipher

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    Guys where do you think combat and character customisation is better Mankind divided or this. Stealth is defo better in MD i think.
     
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  16. AwesomeButton Personally falsified the US election results Patron

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    PC RPG Website of the Year, 2015 Make the Codex Great Again! Grab the Codex by the pussy Insert Title Here RPG Wokedex Divinity: Original Sin 2 A Beautifully Desolate Campaign Pillars of Eternity 2: Deadfire Pathfinder: Kingmaker
    Quick protip - the "I" key apparently closes every interface, in addition to opening the inventory.

    If you press I while not in any interface, it will open the inventory. If you are in the Journal ("J") for example, pressing "I" will not take you to the inventory, but will close the Journal.
     
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  17. Parsimonious cook Augur Patron

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    I would say MD had better combat (mind you I mostly stealthed), the character customisation is definitely better in CP2077 by definition pretty much (since you create your own character from the start).
     
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  18. gerey Arcane Zionist Agent

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    That's fucking bullshit.

    Yes, Rockstar and Ubisoft have more experience with these kinds of games and CDPR don't, but guess what? That's not my fucking problem.

    CDPR are asking people to pay $60, what they'd be paying for a GTA or Watch Dogs game, only to get some buggy, broken abortion of a game whose only selling point is the questionable writing. Them being unable to deliver something on par with GTA V is their problem, especially since they had about an equal amount of resources (in terms of budget and employees) as Rockstar did, and the benefit of learning from Rockstar and Ubisoft - seeing what works and what doesn't while looking through 20 years of open-world games and dozens of titles.

    Perhaps, instead of hiring more women and other subhumans, they should have gone headhunting for current or former Rockstar employees to help them implementing the open-world portion of the game? Maybe paying for talented people instead of obese dangerhairs would have made 2077 a good game?

    The completely pathetic part is that Ubisoft's newest turd has better (hacking) mechanics than 2077, that it runs and plays better than this piece of shit. CDPR devoted more attention to the MC's genitalia than they did to face/body customisation, despite the fact the player will never see their tranny gaping wound in-game, and all to appease ResetEra, who just kept on shitting on them anyway afterwards. Resources well spent indeed.

    CDPR had all the time, money and resources to deliver a functional product and they failed - it's as simple as that. They're not some small indie from Europe's backwater, they're one of the largest game development studios in the world, with more money than Ubisoft even, and all they could manage was this?

    They can go fuck themselves. They deserve to get roasted for all the lies they told people and the fraudulent advertising. There's nothing even remotely ambitious about this turd.

    I can already see a class action lawsuit from PS4 users related to the lies told about the game's performance on the system.
     
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  19. Ezeekiel Liturgist

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    According the the in-game encyclopaedia 10 armor points = -1 incoming dps lol
     
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  20. WhiskeyWolf RPG Codex Polish Car Thief Patron

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    I just love the TYPE-66 "Javelina".
     
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  21. Druid Ardun Guest

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    It's clear to me that the devs would have worked on this game longer, but their corporate overlords wanted the shekels now. The marketing was deceiving as they wanted to draw in - rpg players, fps players, gta players. I'm not far into the game, but the story and setting is good so far.
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    Can't help myself but feel like some dev made this with his bosses in mind.
     
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  22. Kruno Arcane Village Idiot Zionist Agent Shitposter

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    Explains why it scales like shit. I really need to check if this game is easily modifiable so I can change this shit.
     
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  23. Perkel Arcane

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    Later on you get mods on your gear like 2-3 per piece and you can stack mods into it with armor 20-40 a piece. So getting 2-3-4 times armor as normal.
     
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  24. Kruno Arcane Village Idiot Zionist Agent Shitposter

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    I already have those. I am almost level 30. At least this game doesn't bullet sponge enemies.

    I want my cybermods be more interesting than packing shitty +1 to armour.
     
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  25. MarxistPlato Novice

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    Damn dude, you failed to get into art school?
     
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