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Incline Chris Avellone Appreciation Station

Discussion in 'General RPG Discussion' started by Crooked Bee, Jul 27, 2015.

  1. Cael Dumbfuck! Dumbfuck

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    Yeah. He went the other way really fast. It is pretty hilarious. From "Hype! Hype! Hype!" to "It is so shit, I can spend hours ranting about it, so I am stopping the discussion here." in what must be record time.
     
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  2. Sordid MCA/Prosper Hybryd Arcane Patron

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    Divinity: Original Sin Torment: Tides of Numenera Pathfinder: Kingmaker Pathfinder: Kingmaker
     
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    Underrail is better than Fallout anyway in every aspect except art assets and recruitable NPCs.
     
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  4. Shadenuat Arcane

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    and the setting and the story and the choices and characters and

    old games did 4/5 things right. 1/5 may be combat/gameplay but 4/5 is a lot

    new games tried hard to fix it, but with all their respect to old

    none of them are Fallout, or Arcanum.
    you cannot beat an RPG with masterful setting. and if it also has powerful character building, you are trying to beat a colossus. doesn't matter if old game has poorer combat/dungeons, yours would still be stomped by a well realised setting alone anyway.
     
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  5. Sacibengala Savant

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    This Amber E. Scott is the same from Siege of Dragonspear?
     
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  6. Nano Prestigious Gentleman Arcane Patron

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    Holy fuck at Avellone's new Twitter avatar :lol:

    [​IMG]
     
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  7. Wunderbar Arcane

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    1) getting cancelled
    2) becoming redpilled
    3) using soyboy face ironically <== you are here
    4) using soyboy face unironically
    5) calling people cucks and retards
    6) becoming a nazi and a misogynist
     
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  8. ERYFKRAD Barbarian Patron

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    Strap Yourselves In Serpent in the Staglands Shadorwun: Hong Kong Pillars of Eternity 2: Deadfire Pathfinder: Kingmaker
    2 and 3 are probably mixed up, don't you think?
     
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  9. Fenix Arcane Vatnik

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    Dunno, The Leftovers is basically a post-apocalyptic story too, but it's about different things.
     
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  10. santino27 Arcane Patron

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    She did some of the writing for the Paizo module the game is based on. And her inserts are my least favorite part of the game so far, as expected.
     
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  11. Ismaul Thought Criminal #3333 Patron

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    He's BREAKING the CONDITIONING!

     
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  12. PlanHex Arcane Patron

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    Fuck yeah
     
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  13. Ismaul Thought Criminal #3333 Patron

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  14. sorinmask Just like Yves, I chase tales. Patron

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  15. IHaveHugeNick Arcane

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    I wouldn't say Fallout is dead, the great thing about post-apo is how it's all grounded in the real world locations and history, so that gives you near infinite amount of twists you can apply to the formula and keep it fresh. Wasteland 3 moving to a winter-y setting was a seemingly small change but it made a big difference.
     
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  16. deuxhero Arcane

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    Wrote the entire first module, possibly some of the overall plot/characters as well. It's the reason I was never interested in WotR, not even at 75% off sale, despite enjoying Kingmaker.
     
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  17. rusty_shackleford Arcane

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    van buren honestly didn't seem that good or interesting from everything I've seen and read about it
     
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  18. rusty_shackleford Arcane

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    It's simply a fact(one which gamedevs seem to not understand): Snow makes every game better.
     
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  19. Sacibengala Savant

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    Yeah, just like it did in the eighties.
     
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  20. Gerrard Arcane

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    So this is the moment where CDProjekt starts making a game based on Neuroshima and hires Chris!
    Oh wait, wrong timeline.
     
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  21. mondblut Arcane

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    They think it's about the colombian snow.
     
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  22. Fenix Arcane Vatnik

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    Fallout is dead in a sence its foundation - fear of nuclear war is dead.
    There are no global powers that oppose each other due ideology.
    US won't bomb China cause then it will go bunkrupt immediately.
    China won't bomb US cause same reason.
    War of tomorrow will be done with bacteriological weapon and sabotage.
     
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  23. IHaveHugeNick Arcane

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    I get what you're saying, but medieval games somehow aren't dead even though we're not fighting with swords anymore. Same goes here. All they have to do is take the basic formula, put a spin on it to add a bit freshness, and it could be fine addition to the franchise, if stupid people aren't making it (which is a big if obviously).

    Fallout:Siberia, where you're fighting wild mutated babushkas and during cold nights at campfire you're drinking Nuka-Vodka with your trusty bear companion. I'd play that.
     
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  24. Iluvcheezcake Liturgist

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    Me too, especially if babushkas have kalashes instead of arms
     
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  25. Ismaul Thought Criminal #3333 Patron

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    The thing with fantasy is that it is all about one person and his skill in combat against the world, enemies and harsh environment both. It's very relatable and universal, especially since it's also how we play a game: one person and his keyboard and mouse / tactical skills against virtual enemies and dangers. It puts the player at the center of it all. It's easy to get into if the game gives the player and character a good motivation to fight, a good opposition. Same goes for FPSes and the superhero genre.

    A post-nuclear setting is much more abstract. It's not just about the motivations of one man against others, it's about buying into a world that could potentially be our future, a world ravaged by a man-made technological weapon. This puts humanity's ability to destroy itself front and center. It's much harder to relate to, unless your make the setting an afterthought and center the game solely on the PC's motivation against his enemies. But by doing so, the setting becomes nothing more but a coat of paint.

    So basically a post-nuclear setting requires buying into the nuclear danger and looking to explore it and its consequences if it became real. It's more dependant on how we feel IRL about such a threat, than fantasy which is about our eternal connection to the past and tradition. Fantasy is never out of date, as our origins are always a draw for us. Post-apocalypse has to adapt to what threat we think is likely and preoccupies us, and nuclear war is not at the forefront of our current worry about our fate. Biological and corporate threats seem more likely to be part of our future, and this is why zombies and cyberpunk are prevalent these days. Our current world with COVID-19 merges both worries together nicely, and I bet we'll see more settings exploit such a threat in the future: viruses, variants, vaccines, mutations, corporate experimentation on the population, diminishing fertility, propaganda, multiple versions of the truth, corporate techno-medical political regimes, social control and unrest, etc.
     
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