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Angthoron

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They won't be massive, but there's going to be some good-sized ones, especially the Office buildings.

As for population sizes, SC series usually gives "fudged" stats. C: S goes a bit of the opposite direction, sure, but 1M cities will be pretty massive on their own already.
 

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Skyscrapers? Sure, modders will "fix" it. :D
 

Alt

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No buy.
Modern architecture (since ~ 1970s) is a disgrace to mankind. Anyone who doesn't see that is just proof of what "they" have been doing to man.

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The decline is no accident, my friends.

Funny thing is I just bought "Grand Ages: Rome" from a PC mag today. It might suck as a game (or not), but at least it doesn't look like turd. :smug:
 

Black

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Yeah, lack of slavery and cheap labour really hurts.
 

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Man, to be honest, I should say I don't know, because it didn't make any fucking sense.

Is it the latest lie they are teaching at school today? I mean, somewhere in between the gender mainstreaming and 20th century history lessons, while you're secretely munching your Monsanto burger, getting ready to start your career in the corporate world that is responsible for the desctruction of nature and the subjugation and tragedy of millions of people in the world, foremost in so called "developing" countries, both on a scale never before seen in the history of mankind?

Is it that?

P.S. just so we are clear and because ppl need extra explanations today if it doesn't pop up on their iPhone: I did get that you were being ironic.
 
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Angthoron

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Oh hey, bashing technological progress and corporations on the internet.

I, too, condemn mankind for no longer using clay tablets for record-keeping.
 

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Bashing aesthetic decline is completely fine and understandable. Technological progress is good, but the complete loss of everything else that used to be important in ancient and medieval times is not.
 

Angthoron

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Something tells me that the average joe's hut walls are made out 90% less dung these days than in the old golden days of palaces and architectural miracles.

Something also tells me that the modern super rich still enjoy intricately designed, beautiful homes.

I wonder which ones are seen more often though, hm hm.
 

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Nah, many of today's super rich have no aesthetic sense. They may believe they inhabit intricately designed, beautiful homes, but the truth is more likely that they build over-designed, fugly "spaces" the reveal a greater concern for status-wankery than beauty of living.
 

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Bashing aesthetic decline is completely fine and understandable. Technological progress is good, but the complete loss of everything else that used to be important in ancient and medieval times is not.


Thank you.
The problem is that tools like Angthoron have bought the lie that technological progress is enabled by corporatism. He won't call it that, but that's what the free market has turned into - and it necessarily must do so as soon as you have free trade and free capital.
Which is funny considering that the greatest discoveries in science that have so far born the greatest fruit / affected the biggest changes have all been made in the ~17-19th century and were funded by either public institutions or private individuals. Since then it was only evolutionary progress, and since decades folks are now hung up on string theory without any further developement.

That you don't live in a dung hut, Angthoron, and instead can have 2 cars, 3 telecommunication gadgets and 2 fridges full of meat has not so much to do with technological progress and the "enlightenment", but rather with good old imperialism / extortion exerted on whole nations that are even just a little lower in the food chain than your local homeless guy or dead old man found stinking in his basement after 2 weeks because no one cared for him. Only that today - thanks to your brainwashing media and reeducation centers called schools - it comes packed in more shiny words like
"nation building", "spreading democracy", "liberalism", "free trade" etc. Today there are probably more people working in slave-owner relationships with exceptionally poor standards of living than ever before. Certainly not less.
Only that the actors today are not so much the nation states anymore, but your beloved corporations. That's also why nation states are getting abolished and Europe is getting swarmed with alien cultures at the moment. Can't have that silly nation state concept anymore
when the game is called monopoly.
And you are just a pawn in that game, too. Only with you, they need to take it slowly. Can't just send murder squads or "freedom fighters" against your interests that easily. You are the frog in the soon-to-be-boiling water though.

TL;DR: You can visit McDonald's's drive-in with 2 cars simultainously and munch on your double bacon bullshit while checking your "tweets" on your latest gadget because ~ 2/3 of the ppl in the world are living in those same dung huts you thought were a thing of the past.
Here's a pro tip: Try figuring out what would happen if the Chinese or India would suddenly decide to share a piece of that place in the sun with you after they have lived in a shitty condition relative to your standard of living long enough now and decide to also get ~ 0,8 cars / 1 folk.
Hahahaha! There wouldn't even be enough metal to go around. See you in the mud-hut again, buddy!
 
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Angthoron

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Thank you.
The problem is that tools like Angthoron have bought the lie that technological progress is enabled by corporatism. He won't call it that, but that's what the free market has turned into - and it necessarily must do so as soon as you have free trade and free capital.
Which is funny considering that the greatest discoveries in science that have so far born the greatest fruit / affected the biggest changes have all been made in the ~17-19th century and were funded by either public institutions or private individuals. Since then it was only evolutionary progress, and since decades folks are now hung up on string theory without any further developement.
What the fuck are you talking about? Have you heard of industrialization? It's that thing that happened. Do you know what was needed as a result? Oh, I know, cheap efficient housing projects. Yes, I'm sure it's only the corporations that build ugly housing in large population centers, meanwhile every other form of government, ranging from pseudo-communism to socialism to monarchy are building fucking palazzos to their citizens. Do you realize the social shifts, population changes, policy changes that took place in the time you mentioned? The changing needs, rights, things like that?

That you don't live in a dung hut, Angthoron, and instead can have 2 cars, 3 telecommunication gadgets and 2 fridges full of meat has not so much to do with technological progress and the "enlightenment", but rather with good old imperialism / extortion exerted on whole nations that are even just a little lower in the food chain than your local homeless guy or dead old man found stinking in his basement after 2 weeks because no one cared for him. Only that today - thanks to your brainwashing media and reeducation centers called schools - it comes packed in more shiny words like
"nation building", "spreading democracy", "liberalism", "free trade" etc. Today there are probably more people working in slave-owner relationships with exceptionally poor standards of living than ever before. Certainly not less.
Only that the actors today are not so much the nation states anymore, but your beloved corporations. That's also why nation states are getting abolished and Europe is getting swarmed with alien cultures at the moment. Can't have that silly nation state concept anymore
when the game is called monopoly.
And you are just a pawn in that game, too. Only with you, they need to take it slowly. Can't just send murder squads or "freedom fighters" against your interests that easily. You are the frog in the soon-to-be-boiling water though.
Darling, do you actually know me to talk to me like that? Pro tip: if you want to talk to strangers in this manner, I suggest you first try it on your dad. But alright, I'll bite - I'm sure countries like China and former USSR had a lot of colonies to drain resources from, and their ugly efficient housing programs came just for the lulz and not for the fact that shit needed to be built at rates never seen before. I'm sure UK's ugly industrial revolution-era housing and ridiculously shite post-WW2 buildings came out just because ohoho better buy three cars. Out of interest, do check out the speed with which Chinese are building their skyscrapers now. Under a year to assemble those things to meet the growing demands. A year. It took decades to build those elaborate buildings you're fapping to, friend. Decades. Those amazing gothic cathedrals? Some of them were built for better parts of a century, were abandoned when their patrons died, and restarted later when a new patron wanted to get a little closer to heaven.

Now, answer me this - do you think tens and hundreds of thousands rushing to capitals and regional centers would be willing to live on the streets for a decade or so until their beautiful new home is complete (assuming they could even afford that), or would they rather take a featureless concrete box that they could inhabit with relative comfort? You do realize that when the ugly shit was originally built, the question wasn't about gadgets and 3 cars, right?

TL;DR: You can visit McDonald's's drive-in with 2 cars simultainously and munch on your double bacon bullshit while checking your "tweets" on your latest gadget because ~ 2/3 of the ppl in the world are living in those same dung huts you thought were a thing of the past.
Here's a pro tip: Try figuring out what would happen if the Chinese or India would suddenly decide to share a piece of that place in the sun with you after they have lived in a shitty condition relative to your standard of living long enough now and decide to also get ~ 0,8 cars / 1 folk.
Hahahaha! There wouldn't even be enough metal to go around. See you in the mud-hut again, buddy!
Skip McDonalds and open a history book, friend. It might help. I understand, I've been to first year of college too, but then there's also real life out there, too.

Oh dear. Do you wear a fedora, by any chance?
 

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Thank you.
The problem is that tools like Angthoron have bought the lie that technological progress is enabled by corporatism. He won't call it that, but that's what the free market has turned into - and it necessarily must do so as soon as you have free trade and free capital.
Which is funny considering that the greatest discoveries in science that have so far born the greatest fruit / affected the biggest changes have all been made in the ~17-19th century and were funded by either public institutions or private individuals. Since then it was only evolutionary progress, and since decades folks are now hung up on string theory without any further developement.

That you don't live in a dung hut, Angthoron, and instead can have 2 cars, 3 telecommunication gadgets and 2 fridges full of meat has not so much to do with technological progress and the "enlightenment", but rather with good old imperialism / extortion exerted on whole nations that are even just a little lower in the food chain than your local homeless guy or dead old man found stinking in his basement after 2 weeks because no one cared for him. Only that today - thanks to your brainwashing media and reeducation centers called schools - it comes packed in more shiny words like
"nation building", "spreading democracy", "liberalism", "free trade" etc. Today there are probably more people working in slave-owner relationships with exceptionally poor standards of living than ever before. Certainly not less.
Only that the actors today are not so much the nation states anymore, but your beloved corporations. That's also why nation states are getting abolished and Europe is getting swarmed with alien cultures at the moment. Can't have that silly nation state concept anymore
when the game is called monopoly.
And you are just a pawn in that game, too. Only with you, they need to take it slowly. Can't just send murder squads or "freedom fighters" against your interests that easily. You are the frog in the soon-to-be-boiling water though.

TL;DR: You can visit McDonald's's drive-in with 2 cars simultainously and munch on your double bacon bullshit while checking your "tweets" on your latest gadget because ~ 2/3 of the ppl in the world are living in those same dung huts you thought were a thing of the past.
Here's a pro tip: Try figuring out what would happen if the Chinese or India would suddenly decide to share a piece of that place in the sun with you after they have lived in a shitty condition relative to your standard of living long enough now and decide to also get ~ 0,8 cars / 1 folk.
Hahahaha! There wouldn't even be enough metal to go around. See you in the mud-hut again, buddy!

Wow, tell me about over-politicizing the discourse...

How'd we even go from "ancient/classical architecture was clearly superior and monocled" to "bla bla bla corporashuns bla bla bla librulz bla bla bla librulz".

Anyway:

Ancient architecture and aesthetics > contemporary shit
BK > McD
McD> Dung hut
Dung hut > no hut
No hut > voting for Obongo
 

Black

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Thank you.
The problem is that tools like Angthoron have bought the lie that technological progress is enabled by corporatism. He won't call it that, but that's what the free market has turned into - and it necessarily must do so as soon as you have free trade and free capital.
Which is funny considering that the greatest discoveries in science that have so far born the greatest fruit / affected the biggest changes have all been made in the ~17-19th century and were funded by either public institutions or private individuals. Since then it was only evolutionary progress, and since decades folks are now hung up on string theory without any further developement.

That you don't live in a dung hut, Angthoron, and instead can have 2 cars, 3 telecommunication gadgets and 2 fridges full of meat has not so much to do with technological progress and the "enlightenment", but rather with good old imperialism / extortion exerted on whole nations that are even just a little lower in the food chain than your local homeless guy or dead old man found stinking in his basement after 2 weeks because no one cared for him. Only that today - thanks to your brainwashing media and reeducation centers called schools - it comes packed in more shiny words like
"nation building", "spreading democracy", "liberalism", "free trade" etc. Today there are probably more people working in slave-owner relationships with exceptionally poor standards of living than ever before. Certainly not less.
Only that the actors today are not so much the nation states anymore, but your beloved corporations. That's also why nation states are getting abolished and Europe is getting swarmed with alien cultures at the moment. Can't have that silly nation state concept anymore
when the game is called monopoly.
And you are just a pawn in that game, too. Only with you, they need to take it slowly. Can't just send murder squads or "freedom fighters" against your interests that easily. You are the frog in the soon-to-be-boiling water though.

TL;DR: You can visit McDonald's's drive-in with 2 cars simultainously and munch on your double bacon bullshit while checking your "tweets" on your latest gadget because ~ 2/3 of the ppl in the world are living in those same dung huts you thought were a thing of the past.
Here's a pro tip: Try figuring out what would happen if the Chinese or India would suddenly decide to share a piece of that place in the sun with you after they have lived in a shitty condition relative to your standard of living long enough now and decide to also get ~ 0,8 cars / 1 folk.
Hahahaha! There wouldn't even be enough metal to go around. See you in the mud-hut again, buddy!
You tl;dr is still tl;dr.
 

Matalarata

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~ 1970? Enjoy your animu de-evolution. Real architecture ended in 1436

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Also, game is fantastic, Kill yourself.
 

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