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Discussion in 'General RPG Discussion' started by 7hm, Jan 5, 2011.

  1. Sceptic Prestigious Gentleman Arcane Patron

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    It's worse than just paraphrasing others' opinions without playing the games. Even when he clearly has played the games, he cherry-picks facts and twists them into a completely different history of what happened, one that fits his personal opinion of how he thinks things should've gone down. Some of his post strike me as insanely narcissistic as well, I think it was with Trinity where he wrote page upon page about himself and his research that had absolutely nothing to do with the game. I certainly don't have the inclination to dig through his stuff to come up examples, but I've pointed out some of his glaring inaccuracies several times on the forums here, Search function should bring up some of them.

    Your post is :salute: overall.

    I think he's gotten worse over the years. CRPG Addict is actually a much better historian than he is, his exploration of the PLATO lineage is one of the most interesting and thorough research I've seen on the topic. I frequently disagree with him and roll my eyes at him so completely missing the point of some games, but some of his other entries are wonderful. His Ultima Underworld writings are notable for this; he brought up the exact same arguments that contemporary reviews did on the game's innovation, and he was clearly bringing them up out of his own replaying and his own memories of the game, with some perspective but no revisionism. THIS is good historian work.
     
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  2. Gastrick Educated

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    No you wouldn't, here's Schopenhauer saying why not.
    "Students, and learned persons of all sorts and every age, aim as a rule at acquiring information rather than insight. They pique themselves upon knowing about everything—stones, plants, battles, experiments, and all the books in existence. It never occurs to them that information is only a means of insight, and in itself of little or no value; that it is his way of thinking that makes a man a philosopher. When I hear of these portents of learning and their imposing erudition, I sometimes say to myself: Ah, how little they must have had to think about, to have been able to read so much!"
    Crpgaddict's shallow reviews show he didn't think very much about the game or rpg games in general, and that probably is all his mind would ever be capable of.
    "No one writes anything that is worth writing, unless he writes entirely for the sake of his subject. What an inestimable boon it would be, if in every branch of literature there were only a few books, but those excellent!"
    Those other games have little to no value, so it's irrelevant whether they are played or not.
     
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  3. Mortmal Arcane

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    2020 newfags using schopenhauer citations, and writing a good post, the wheel is turning ! The curse is lifted !
     
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  4. Grauken Agent of the NWO Patron

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    So Schopenhauer was an idiot who couldn't manage more than a couple of books, ok
     
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  5. Gastrick Educated

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    Few is more than a couple, and the point seems to be that all those extraneous, time-wasting books are worthless and deserve to be burned.
    I'd say just being forgotten in an archive is more than enough.
     
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  7. Grauken Agent of the NWO Patron

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    Well, if he thinks all those book are extraneous and time-wasting then he's really an idiot, and you as well for parroting him
     
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  8. V_K Arcane

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    And that's, ladies and gentlemen, how philosophy got a bad rep - because of people citing aphoristic statement and thinking that appeal to authority is enough to make them indisputable truth.
     
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  9. JarlFrank I like Thief THIS much Patron

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    >philosopher literally tells you to stop reading so many books and using them as appeal to authority, claiming it's true because you read it in a book
    >people start arguing about what that philosopher said instead of actually... you know... thinking for themselves like he wanted them to

    bing bong
     
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  10. Grauken Agent of the NWO Patron

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    All this would be incredibly useful if CRPGAddict set out to play games to gain deep insights about the CRPGs, which he obviously did not, but instead tried to play all of them in chronological order and comment on that.

    But let's assume he said his mission would be to play all the important and relevant CRPGs to formulate deep insights about the CRPG genre, then the discussion about which those are would and has been waged ad infinitum on this board and everywhere else. Some people often assume there are unassailable classics, eternal in their quality and in an absolute sense better than other games. I for one fundamentally disagree with that position, I think quality is inherently relative and never absolute. Give me any classic (by whatever best of list) and I find a better game (for my definition of better) and so the position there are those worthy to save forever and those better left burned is both distasteful and wrong, because one man's treasure is another man's trash and vice versa. And neither is really right or wrong.

    The only objective quality games have is sales and to a lesser degree (because it's much harder to pin down in exact numbers) influence.
     
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  11. JarlFrank I like Thief THIS much Patron

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    You can always gain insights even from bad games, if only about what not to do when designing a game.

    In fact, people who wanna do game design themselves should also play terrible games so they know what to avoid. Game designers not doing that is how we end up with so much shit (or maybe game designers genuinely like shit, who knows).
     
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  12. Nifft Batuff Arbiter

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    I don't know. You can always gain some insights from what has been done in the past, obviously. The problem is that the way something is considered good or bad depends always on what are the current memes. I consider most of the bad design choices that I hate in modern games as deliberate, for example. They are perceived effectively by modern audience to be an improvement from the past in the context of these memes.
     
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  13. JarlFrank I like Thief THIS much Patron

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    That's because the people who play those games are casuals, not enthusiasts. They're looking for some casual entertainment rather than a deep gameplay experience that requires full attention.

    And even then, if we disregard all that, there's some objectively good design and objectively bad design. Having millions of samey random encounters at a high encounter frequency is objectively bad (unless you're a turboautist who actually enjoys grind like that). Level design with different approaches to your goal, like in most levels of Thief and Deus Ex, is objectively good. There are several encounters in RPGs that I would consider objectively good, like the encounter with Lareth the Beautiful in ToEE, and there are several encounters in RPGs that I would consider objectively bad, like the majority of the Deep Roads in Dragon Age.
     
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  14. Grauken Agent of the NWO Patron

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    Wrong

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    That was exactly what I was saying, we fundamentally disagree about what is good or bad
     
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  15. JarlFrank I like Thief THIS much Patron

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    Yeah but one of us is objectively right and the other is not :M
     
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  16. Darth Canoli Magister

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    Thanks for throwing at us so many tropes.

    It doesn't matter if his goal was to become an "authoritative" source on Baldur's Gate the cRPG genre, he's posing as one in his comments and people refer to him as if he was one.

    Simply reading about his comments in here would show anyone with half a brain that even if he played twice all the cRPG released and to be released in the next 100 years, he still wouldn't have a clue about what makes a good cRPG.

    /End thread.
     
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  17. rusty_shackleford Arcane

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    he seems like an asspie tbh
     
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  18. Grauken Agent of the NWO Patron

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    Well, you like a bad game like Thief, so obviously it's me who is objectively right
     
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  19. Gangrelrumbler Arcane Patron

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    But it's not like all these shitty 80's games are terrible in an unique way, they're pretty much similar in their terribleness. Also it's not very useful for modern designer since nobody makes games like that anymore. It's not like making grindy barely functional dungeon crawlers with no story or sense of direction is a common pitfall for modern designers.
     
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  20. JarlFrank I like Thief THIS much Patron

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    The 6 million mediocre indie roguelikes made during the last decade disagree with you!
     
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  21. Viata Arcane

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    Also known as the holorogue.
     
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  22. Gastrick Educated

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    >The philosopher who says that makes heavy use of appeals to authority in his works.
    >The one who started appealing to authority wasn't me but the guy saying his idol CRPGaddict is not only an authority on games, but the ULTIMATE authority.
    There you have it.

    So Obliviion is no worse than Fallout 1 then? It's all subjective, right?
     
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  23. mondblut Arcane

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    I remember 4 years ago CRPGaddict cried that if Trump wins, he'd have to get a real job. How come he's still running his blog?
     
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  24. Viata Arcane

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    Clearly, he couldn't get a real job. :lol::lol::lol:
     
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  25. Morblot Aberrant Member Patron

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