Deus Ex Deus Ex: Mankind Divided

[Latelistener]

The art director also left a few years ago: https://www.pcgamer.com/deus-ex-art-director-reveals-new-game-about-the-horrors-of-humanity/

I don't think we'll see a new Deus Ex game in the next few years, as they're working on a new IP, but if and when it'll come out it will be very different.

 

[ADL]

Jason Schreier is saying don't expect a new Deus Ex anytime soon because Eidos Montreal is working on a new IP. Dragon Age 4 is supposed to release next year and I'd imagine Mass Effect 5 will be done in 2024-2025. Writers tend to float around. She could easily do her thing at Bioware and be back in time for Deus Ex 5's pitch.

I just hope when it happens, it's a conclusion to the Jensen trilogy because there's a lot of cool unresolved shit from Mankind Divided that deserves a payoff.

 

[The Wall]

According to this article, next Deus Ex is in pre-production: Deus Ex studio aims to return to the series under its new owner, rumors say

 

[Silverfish]

Jason Schreier is saying don't expect a new Deus Ex anytime soon because Eidos Montreal is working on a new IP.

DX5 by 2024 at the latest then.

 

[J1M]

sadly we dont get such views in-game

Golem City should have been a game unto itself, if not an expansion at the very least.

True. Great setting for a game, maybe a bit more grounded and subtle one.

The internet phenomenon: somebody will claim something that's pretty fucking obvious, e.g. the sky is blue. Immediately someone will show up and find some autistic examples of how if you stand at this exact location at this exact time and imbibe this amount of alcohol up your ass or whatever, the sky will be red.

Yes, if you try really hard, you can find a few examples in Mankind Divided where the conversation isn't about the augmented debate. But juxtaposed against a 40-60 hour long game's worth of dialogue, those exceptions just prove the rule.

The mistreatment of the augumented is a big theme of the game. Its ok to dislike that, not everyone will like that or be able to look past that.

Another thing is to claim that:
1)the handling of that theme is overblown, makes in-game world not believable
2)there is too much focus on that specific theme, to the detriment of the game

Those two I think are incorrect. Its not difficult to find examples of quests and story arcs that are about something different. And ingame attitudes are proportional to the weight of the events that sparked them.

Wrong. The entire environment and context for all of the scenery changes are Aug rights related.

Both of those points were true even before DXHR ended. They tried to take one idea and stretch it out into the plot for three games.

In contrast, Deus Ex basically hits you with a different conspiracy in every mission.

 

[J1M]

It's also, I think, explicitly bad news for Deus Ex. Human Revolution and Mankind Divided both have great quests, particularly side quests, and some great characters, for which DeMarle deserves at least partial credit. She's also left Eidos Montreal just at the point when there seemed like potential for further Adam Jensen adventures. I can't begrudge someone looking for a new challenge, but I'm less confident in any future Deus Ex game without DeMarle's involvement.

cringe
writing is the worst part of both games
guarantee the author wouldn't have put this there if it didn't have a vagina

How could anyone conclude the writing was good when they didn't even write an ending? Trilogy doesn't have an ending, major plot points in each game are unresolved, etc.

Games are fun in spite of the retardo setting and plot.

 

[Latelistener]

Jason Schreier is saying don't expect a new Deus Ex anytime soon because Eidos Montreal is working on a new IP.

DX5 by 2024 at the latest then.

I wonder how you came up with this number. A new IP in full production, that's 4 years at the minimum, which means they will probably release it by 2024-2025. Then another 4 years for Deus Ex 5.

That is, if their new IP won't be a massive success. Then you can probably forget about another Deus Ex game in our lifespan. Of course they can have several teams, but so far the windows between projects was big.

Good thing they ditched their engine for UE5 though. That's really good.

THQ Nordic is not Square Enix when it comes to money though. I'm not sure how they're going to sustain Eidos Montreal and Crystal Dynamics. We haven't really seen AAA projects from them.

 

[Latelistener]

How could anyone conclude the writing was good when they didn't even write an ending? Trilogy doesn't have an ending, major plot points in each game are unresolved, etc.

Games are fun in spite of the retardo setting and plot.

The HR story was concluded. The writer wanted to kill Jensen and basically she did. He was suppose to die on Panchaea and they shouldn't have brought his clone back in MD.

Why MD was not finished is another story. After Thief and their canned version on Final Fantasy 15 they had less than 3 years for MD, including reworking tech they got from IO Interactive.

 

[J1M]

Jason Schreier is saying don't expect a new Deus Ex anytime soon because Eidos Montreal is working on a new IP.

DX5 by 2024 at the latest then.

I wonder how you came up with this number. A new IP in full production, that's 4 years at the minimum, which means they will probably release it by 2024-2025. Then another 4 years for Deus Ex 5.

That is, if their new IP won't be a massive success. Then you can probably forget about another Deus Ex game in our lifespan. Of course they can have several teams, but so far the windows between projects was big.

Good thing they ditched their engine for UE5 though. That's really good.

THQ Nordic is not Square Enix when it comes to money though. I'm not sure how they're going to sustain Eidos Montreal and Crystal Dynamics. We haven't really seen AAA projects from them.

If they were smart, the first project would be a Deus Ex 1 remake. Requires zero pre-production, zero writers, zero voice acting, zero balance testing, zero level design debates.

Completely feasible to turn that out in 18 months while staffing up on leads for the next step in the franchise.

 

[J1M]

How could anyone conclude the writing was good when they didn't even write an ending? Trilogy doesn't have an ending, major plot points in each game are unresolved, etc.

Games are fun in spite of the retardo setting and plot.

The HR story was concluded. The writer wanted to kill Jensen and basically she did. He was suppose to die on Panchaea and they shouldn't have brought his clone back in MD.

Why MD was not finished is another story. After Thief and their canned version on Final Fantasy 15 they had less than 3 years for MD, including reworking tech they got from IO Interactive.

"Only 3 years" is a hilarious excuse. Especially when you are working on a direct sequel. At some point in those 1000 days someone should have had the big brain idea to work on the ending before the middle.

They were distracted implementing micro transactions and other nonsense related to the Deus Ex Universe pipedream.

There's also no feasible way you can convince me HR's story is concluded when Jensen didn't catch up to his bitch of an ex girlfriend (and hopefully be given some sort of player choice in what to do with her given what he learned along the way), given that was his primary motivation from scene 1.

 

[Silverfish]

Jason Schreier is saying don't expect a new Deus Ex anytime soon because Eidos Montreal is working on a new IP.

DX5 by 2024 at the latest then.

I wonder how you came up with this number.

Simple. Always assume that Jason Schreier is wrong.

 

[Latelistener]

How could anyone conclude the writing was good when they didn't even write an ending? Trilogy doesn't have an ending, major plot points in each game are unresolved, etc.

Games are fun in spite of the retardo setting and plot.

The HR story was concluded. The writer wanted to kill Jensen and basically she did. He was suppose to die on Panchaea and they shouldn't have brought his clone back in MD.

Why MD was not finished is another story. After Thief and their canned version on Final Fantasy 15 they had less than 3 years for MD, including reworking tech they got from IO Interactive.

"Only 3 years" is a hilarious excuse. Especially when you are working on a direct sequel. At some point in those 1000 days someone should have had the big brain idea to work on the ending before the middle.

They were distracted implementing micro transactions and other nonsense related to the Deus Ex Universe pipedream.

There's also no feasible way you can convince me HR's story is concluded when Jensen didn't catch up to his bitch of an ex girlfriend (and hopefully be given some sort of player choice in what to do with her given what he learned along the way), given that was his primary motivation from scene 1.

I have no idea what happened during the development, but anything is possible with Square Enix. Maybe it was cut short several months before the release. Maybe they expected to make a second game in 2 years, but those plans were canned. Maybe both.

What I do know is that the problem goes far beyond writing.

There is a legit option to kill yourself on Panchaea. That is basically what Jensen did. There is no catching up to anyone. Even in MD Sarif said that "she moved on and you should too".

 

[Yosharian]

At this point we should be thankful that there won't be any more DE games, let this franchise rest in peace. We got a bunch of fairly good games (more or less) and we got the original, no developer that is capable of getting their hands on the IP is also capable of making another good DE game so just let it go.

Look what they did to Thief for fuck's sake

 

[vortex]

At this point we should be thankful that there won't be any more DE games, let this franchise rest in peace. We got a bunch of fairly good games (more or less) and we got the original, no developer that is capable of getting their hands on the IP is also capable of making another good DE game so just let it go.

Are you insane? We need new DE and Thief !

 

[Paul_cz]

Is THQ Nordic takeover really that bad for her that she jumped the ship for this dumpsterfire of a studio? The new Dragon Age has changed four or something directors already.

Lot of the Guardians game was written by Kasper Hartman who replaced Mary DeMarle, and Guardians was very well written (considering it is marvel nonsense).

 

[MuffinBun]

Its not difficult to find examples of quests and story arcs that are about something different.

Wrong. The entire environment and context for all of the scenery changes are Aug rights related.

These statements are not contradictory. Again, its okay to dislike the theme of the game, but it was not mishandled.

guarantee the author wouldn't have put this there if it didn't have a vagina

lol. As opposed to chad western male writers we get these days?

 

[True Ukrainian]

I personally think more cyberpunk games should be based in traditional or historical cities, with the futuristic bits of the setting growing out of the city like a tumor. It makes sense from a thematic perspective and makes the setting more oppressive.

 

[Gargaune]

Why MD was not finished is another story. After Thief and their canned version on Final Fantasy 15 they had less than 3 years for MD, including reworking tech they got from IO Interactive.

Mankind Divided spent five years in development.

 

[vortex]

So what should it next Deus Ex be like? Where to place it, story, gameplay, reactivity, bigger city or smaller hubs ... ?

 

[racofer]

Also: https://www.forbes.com/sites/paulta...to-do-what-cyberpunk-2077-couldnt-says-report

When they have to bring up Cyberpunk to justify why their future game is going to be awesome, you know it's going to be shit.

 

[J1M]

So what should it next Deus Ex be like? Where to place it, story, gameplay, reactivity, bigger city or smaller hubs ... ?

I think someone should extend the premise of the Cassandra mod into a full game.

Essentially the idea was that you play as a covert operative that is sent in to peel back the veil of conspiracy theories. So each mission would essentially be about a different one, but there are some characters in the department you work for that help tie a larger narrative experience together back at base.

Fairly standard Deus Ex 1 stuff, but the spice the mod makers added to the mix was the idea that based on your actions, you would uncover a subset of details about what happened. Some potentially planted by certain organizations, some confirming the official story, etc. The idea being that you could walk away believing you had solved it based on what you found, but the truth might be different for another player.

Think JFK, FEMA internment camps, or Sandy Hook.

I assume at some point things would escalate and the player would be able to selectively withhold evidence to steer the actions of the secret organization.

 

[Mitleser2020]

So what should it next Deus Ex be like? Where to place it, story, gameplay, reactivity, bigger city or smaller hubs ... ?

The last article series of the late Shamus Young was about this.

Deus Ex Pitch Part 1: Introduction

Deus Ex Pitch Part 2: New Game

Note: These are Shamus-scheduled articles that are being published post-mortem.

Deus Ex Pitch Part 3: Housekeeping

Deus Ex Pitch Part 4: Morpheus Protocol

 

[rusty_shackleford]

how about making something new you talentless hacks

 

[racofer]

how about making something new you talentless hacks

That's a very risky business creative endeavor that might seriously disappoint our investors loyal fans. Mister Goldberg, our creative lead and CEO, is certain a sequel is the best approach to revive this product lovely franchise.

 

[The Wall]

Just drop nuclear hellfire on this rotten, jewish infested, morally, financially and creatively bankrupt Western civilization