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Only mid wits still complain about logout macro.
 

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Hey man, you got yourself a brand new title coming that will take you by the hand and ensure that you're never ever in a difficult situation by employing level scaling. No need to hate on PoE.
 

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Now Diablo 4 [...] in terms of aesthetics and flow of combat etc., its fucking top notch.

Thats the only thing it has

those are the hardest things to nail down + among the most important (in terms of production standard for this type of game)

but I cant play a game where attributes are reduced to offence and defence, its even more dumbed down than D3
 

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Hey man, you got yourself a brand new title coming that will take you by the hand and ensure that you're never ever in a difficult situation by employing level scaling. No need to hate on PoE.
I'm not a hater, I played POE for a long time, I just don't feel the direction the game went not mentioning shitty performance, so I hope that the D4 will do good and motivate Wilson to do something about POE flaws.
 

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The only thing D4 might motivate GGG to do is to rush PoE 2 for a 2023 launch. From the looks of it so far, D4 doesn't seem even remotely interested in competing with PoE in the long term. It's gonna be a D3 situation all over again.
 

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Hey man, you got yourself a brand new title coming that will take you by the hand and ensure that you're never ever in a difficult situation by employing level scaling. No need to hate on PoE.
Level scaling is great for games like this as evidenced by games like Guild Wars and The Elder Scrolls Online. I don't want to spend my entire endgame experience doing 200,000 Baal runs. There's plenty of content in the game. Let me chill in the zones I enjoy and give me creative reasons to go back to ones I left 50+ hours ago. Not to mention vertical progression tends to invalidate its own endgame systems by raising levels for the sake of room temperature subhumans going "wow my number went up!".

It's so fucking stupid. Vertical progression is bad game design that doesn't respect your time or the developer's time themselves.
 

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and give me creative reasons to go back to ones I left 50+ hours ago.
Maybe GW1 did that, but do you in all earnest expect current year Blizzard to have the creativity necessary to do that?

Not to mention vertical progression tends to invalidate its own endgame systems by raising levels for the sake of room temperature subhumans going "wow my number went up!".

It's so fucking stupid. Vertical progression is bad game design that doesn't respect your time or the developer's time themselves.
That's literally the core principle of any ARPG. Both D3 and D:Immoral rely on this to the extreme. Why do you expect D4 or any ARPG ever to be different?
 

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Hey since you're a POE guy lemme ax you this question while I got ya here:

Why do you POEsers gotta come into every damn Diablo topic and feel this need to remind the world that POE exists? And I'm not talking about just Codex but everywhere. You can't mention Diablo before soon some cocksucka comes in to tell you about Path of Exile. You fuckers are like Jehovah's Witnesses or this dumb bitch that calls my phone every two days for duct cleaning. Let me tell you it from my perspective: I know POE exists, I've tried it multiple times, and each time it results in me concluding the game is boring and sucks and I'd rather play D2 because it's a cooler game.

Look at what you're getting zealous over: boss fights in a point and click looter lmao. Nigga, if I'm gonna want super engaging and mechanic heavy boss fights I'm not expecting it in this genre. All ya linked were some corny ass Dance Dance Revolution fights that nobody even cites or remembers or praises. A big ass demon with a meat cleaver going "AHH FRESH MEAT" from the mid 90s dabs all over every single POE boss in terms of memorability. Hold that L close to your chest.
 

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Because Diablo started the subgenre and PoE is the current uncontested king. Every game in the genre gets to be compared with it. Sure beats reading random ramblings from (apparently senile) nostalgia fags.
 

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You know what I think it is? I think it's that POEqueers have such insanely small dicks that they need to stand on their tippy toes whenever they're around D1/D2chads who naturally tower over them and find their Mickey Mouse firework show amusing for a few minutes before going back to killing Mephisto.
 
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Let me see quality in PoE
Uber Atziri(starts after 5:40)


Uber Elder


Uber Searing Exarch

Bosses in these games, including Diablo bosses, are so boring that it would be better for the games if they were removed altogether in their current incarnations. The only ones that should remain are concise gimmick bosses that complement their areas' themes and die quickly. "Uber" bosses with extremely inflated stats are especially lame. What do you remember about bosses in D1, D2, Path of Exile, etc., that was interesting other than edgy one-liners? All of them are perfunctory additions that are only there because having bosses for each level was the norm.
 

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Because Diablo started the subgenre and PoE is the current uncontested king. Every game in the genre gets to be compared with it. Sure beats reading random ramblings from (apparently senile) nostalgia fags.
I puked in my mouth reading this. I would take Diablo 3 over PoE like any day.
 

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Because Diablo started the subgenre and PoE is the current uncontested king. Every game in the genre gets to be compared with it. Sure beats reading random ramblings from (apparently senile) nostalgia fags.
I puked in my mouth reading this. I would take Diablo 3 over PoE like any day.

That's because you are a console fag, it's obvious that you chose simpler game how is diablo immobail going?
 

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That's because you are a console fag, it's obvious that you chose simpler game how is diablo immobail going?
No, it's because I despise PoE's skill tree. It's a convoluted fucking mess. It might be the worst skill tree in gaming history. No thought was put into any of it. They just clumped attributes and skills all together in one giant abomination so they could be like "LOOK HOW HUGE OUR SKILL TREE IS. BIGGEST EVER!"
 
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Looks like somebody vomited on the screen.
 

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That's because you are a console fag, it's obvious that you chose simpler game how is diablo immobail going?
No, it's because I despise PoE's skill tree. It's a convoluted fucking mess. It might be the worst skill tree in gaming history. No thought was put into any of it. They just clumped attributes and skills all together in one giant abomination so they could big like "LOOK HOW HUGE OUR SKILL TREE IS. BIGGEST EVER!"

Thats only first impression if you know
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Looks like somebody vomited on the screen.
If you know what you are looking for, it's quite simple actually, but I guess it can scare new players away hm
 

SumDrunkGuy

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If you know what you are looking for, it's quite simple actually, but I guess it can scare new players away hm
It didn't scare me at all. I understood perfectly how it worked and it's complete asshole cancer.

This is how it's done:



This is NOT how it's done:


The most common sense thing imaginable.
 

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If you know what you are looking for, it's quite simple actually, but I guess it can scare new players away hm
It didn't scare me at all. I understood perfectly how it worked and it's complete asshole cancer.

This is how it's done:



This is NOT how it's done:


The most common sense thing imaginable.
Sorry but DII system is so basic it hurts you can delete energy stat because there is no reason to invest in it, then you cut off str or dex based on your build and wow what a meaningful progression lol
 
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If you know what you are looking for, it's quite simple actually, but I guess it can scare new players away hm
It didn't scare me at all. I understood perfectly how it worked and it's complete asshole cancer.

This is how it's done:



This is NOT how it's done:


The most common sense thing imaginable.
D2 attribute system is extremely pointless. Every build is minimum strength required for equipment, minimum dex for max block if you're going for that, then dump everything else into vitality.
 

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