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Incline Disco Elysium - a hardboiled cop show isometric RPG

Discussion in 'General RPG Discussion' started by Zero Credibility, Oct 15, 2019.

  1. Sailor Woedica Cipher The Real Fangirl

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    When is your cool article about helping ZA/UM finally coming out?
     
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  2. Prime Junta Self-Ejected Patron Vatnik

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    Might be a while. It turned out too gonzo even by Codexian standards and I spiked it.

    The short version is that I had a pretty fucking nasty 2017-2018, involving a few high points but more illness and death than is strictly enjoyable, with my collaboration with ZA/UM and Disco Elysium interleaved with it.

    I would like to tell that story but I haven't yet figured out how to do it in a way that there wouldn't be possible splash damage that I don't want to risk. Just listing my interactions with them isn't very cool at all.
     
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  3. Kyl Von Kull The Night Tripper Patron

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    at least Rostov finally got a new hat
     
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  4. Sordid MCA/Prosper Hybryd Arcane Patron

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    Does the story involve use of the so-called illegal substances and steal-this-book practices?
     
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  5. Sailor Woedica Cipher The Real Fangirl

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    What's the best intro stuff to reading Karl Marx? (I've already read Teen Vogue's articles on 'Who Is Karl Marx" and "What Capitalism Is")
     
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  6. Sordid MCA/Prosper Hybryd Arcane Patron

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    Disco Elysium, obviously!
     
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  7. Tigranes Prestigious Gentleman Arcane

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    Friedrich Hayek, naturally
     
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  8. Prime Junta Self-Ejected Patron Vatnik

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    That’s a pretty good intro. I’d suggest The Communist Manifesto next.

    Then I would go with a thoughtful critique. Karl Popper’s The Open Society and its Enemies (vol 1-2) is excellent and it’ll give you a good grounding in the Western philosophical tradition as a bonus.

    IMO the best way to understand Marxism is through the historical perspective. Therefore I would recommend Eric Hobsbawm’s “long 19th century” trilogy after Popper.

    Once you’ve read that, Capital. From there on out you’re on your own. Might want to avoid getting too doctrinaire though so spice up your Lenin and Mao with a bit of Bakunin and Proudhon.
     
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  9. Israfael Arcane

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    Who does decide what is TOO radical? If you continue this infinite regression, you'll get a mono-ideological society, which is like, total opposite of democracy...
     
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  10. Sordid MCA/Prosper Hybryd Arcane Patron

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    I also propose to read guys from the September group. Elster's Making Sense of Marx is a good start.
     
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  11. Israfael Arcane

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    Yeah, it's totally in the naked capitalism's interests to finance fundamental research that has no practical application in any kind of sense? After the cold war ended, the USC swiftly axed all super-expensive toys like the SSC
    Yeah, for example, try to access MRI as a poor/jobless person in a total capitalist society :lol:
    How so? Science and progress was basically an ersatz religion in the Union. After the Union fell, our scientific production plummeted and still has not recovered after 30 years of unbridled reign of capitalism. In fact, it's getting worse - for some arcane reasons, capitalist enterpreneurs prefer to do less risky things than fundamental research.

    [​IMG]
     
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  12. Prime Junta Self-Ejected Patron Vatnik

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    BTW that shout-out to Viktor Tsoi? Good stuff. I discovered him in the nineties when he was already dead. It’s a crying shame Kino isn’t better known in the West, even with the language barrier.
     
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  13. Prime Junta Self-Ejected Patron Vatnik

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    Other than war. There always seems to be money to finance war.
     
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  14. Alpan Magister Patron

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    Grab the Codex by the pussy Pathfinder: Kingmaker
    There is no infinite regression, because at some point the intolerant will just shrug and shoot you while you're harping on about infinite regression.

    Intolerance is not a joke or a meme. It is the driving force behind social change. I have to say it's particularly silly to have to actually explain this stuff to Codexers on the Codex, where there's an entire subforum dedicated to Twitter people who shut down conversation at the smallest offense they take.
     
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  15. gestalt11 Arbiter

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    Uh yeah science really was more like a religion that's for sure ... Lysenkoism
     
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  16. Orma Arcane Patron

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    Probably almost everyone heard 'kukushka' at some point

    the problem is, that song isn't a really a good representation of the band\rest of their music
     
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  17. gestalt11 Arbiter

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    If you aren't stealing shit during a war, you're doing it wrong.
     
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  18. RNGsus fed up taxi driver Patron

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    You just described a whole lot to be wrong about. Regardless of Khor1255's worst fears, Capitalism is not moving toward Socialism, but away.
     
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  19. Alpan Magister Patron

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    Grab the Codex by the pussy Pathfinder: Kingmaker
    You'd have to be stupid or a Republican to actually think capitalism is moving toward socialism. Capitalism has been moving towards even more Capitalism since the end of the Cold War. We're living in an age where not just public resources but also nearly every aspect of private life has been successfully commoditized. If we have a future it is cyberpunk without the cool tech and much more boring corporations.
     
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  20. gestalt11 Arbiter

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    Just say its moving towards "state capitalism" and you can all be right.
     
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  21. Tigranes Prestigious Gentleman Arcane

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    Viktor Tsoi is fucking amazing, but I too only discovered him by accident some years ago.
     
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  22. Inehresa Educated Patron

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    I'd like to add Critique of the Gotha Program to the introductory reading. Other than that look for some Hegel 101 and read Althusser to get ahold of what more modern leftist thought looks like. Bonus points for poststructuralists and Nietzsche, which both aren't linked to marxism explicite, however the modes of thinking there influenced leftism. Stay away from the frankfurters because you will certainly like them for all the edgy reasons instead of the actual substance of their thought, thanks.
     
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  23. Rinslin Merwind Savant

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    Yes it is. As long as fundamental research offers potential in future commercial usage corporate fuckwits interested in it.

    Bitch, try to be peasant or collective farm worker in Soviet Union and live without right to own passport in country where all countless bureaucratic structures require passport.

    Fuck it, you are just retarded. Don't bother to reply with your retarded mumbling, go find another fool to listen how your ideology cool. I have seen enough shit that was direct heritage of socialist idiocy and not gonna buy crap that you are selling.
     
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  24. Trashos Arcane

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    You seem to be assuming that tolerance of speech equates/leads to tolerance of action. That is a huge assumption.
     
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  25. Tigranes Prestigious Gentleman Arcane

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    1. In the case of US, federal investment in basic research has been samey/declining for ~40 years.
    2. Corporate investment in basic R&D has grown in absolute $s, but has been only very slowly growing as a share of GDP, since 2000. (Not sure what exact numbers are for longer period.)
    3. From a ROI perspective, the payoff of basic research in terms of 'future commercial usage' is never been easy to calculate, and often remains a combination of back of envelope numbers and a general belief. Which is to say, no, it is not a guaranteed rational activity for corporations.

    Combine = basic research funding is not booming over time. Rather, it is often considered at risk, while the retreat of federal funding introduces new risks around whether the best scientists will be allowed to pursue basic research to the fullest scientific conclusion.
     
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