Dragon Age: Inquisition Pre-Release Thread

[tuluse]

I doubt people think to themselves "Well I wasn't going to buy this and then I heard that some human-resembling polygons grind into each other for a few seconds so I had to check it out."

Isn't that the entire hentai business?

 

[Roguey]

Isn't that the entire hentai business?

Those are 2D and a niche.

 

[dnf]

Isn't that the entire hentai business?

Those are 2D and a niche.

3d porn is growing lol.

 

[Delterius]

I doubt people think to themselves "Well I wasn't going to buy this and then I heard that some human-resembling polygons grind into each other for a few seconds so I had to check it out."

What a bizarre world you must live in.

 

[Zed]

I doubt people think to themselves "Well I wasn't going to buy this and then I heard that some human-resembling polygons grind into each other for a few seconds so I had to check it out."

for how long have you been alive on this planet?

 

[Necroscope]

I doubt people think to themselves "Well I wasn't going to buy this and then I heard that some human-resembling polygons grind into each other for a few seconds so I had to check it out."

 

[Roguey]

I'm seeing assertions but no proofs. Granted I don't have proof either other than a firm conviction that "detailed sex scenes" is low on the priority list when it comes to most peoples' video game purchases.

 

[Necroscope]

This firm conviction applies to romances as well?

 

[tuluse]

I'm seeing assertions but no proofs. Granted I don't have proof either other than a firm conviction that "detailed sex scenes" is low on the priority list when it comes to most peoples' video game purchases.

I believe you're right. However, once you're already into the "M" age bracket, the number of people who won't buy your game because of detailed sex scenes is probably lower than the number that will.

I can definitely picture some dudebros sitting on a coach:
"Yo brah, I heard you see Triss's vag in this one"
"For real though? Hafta get that shit"

 

[Roguey]

This firm conviction applies to romances as well?

I know for certain (posts from the BSN) that some freaks would consider no-romance a dealbreaker. They're nowhere near a majority though (people who like video game romances won't necessarily refuse to buy one because it doesn't have them).

 

[~RAGING BONER~]

This firm conviction applies to romances as well?

I know for certain (posts from the BSN) that some freaks would consider no-romance a dealbreaker. They're nowhere near a majority though (people who like video game romances won't necessarily refuse to buy one because it doesn't have them).

Personally, I have no issue with romance implementation... understand it's a basic human need to feel some semblance of connection, romantic or otherwise with a "person(s)" and for the incredibly socially inept, games like the ones BioWare is producing offers an outlet to these sad and otherwise lonely people.

/sensitive Boner

besides, romance isn't the real crpg killer anyway (which is what I imagine is the issue the codex has with them), those can be ignored altogether, its excessive voice acting that sucks the life out of modern games and turns them into half baked movies.

 

[Roguey]

besides, romance isn't the real crpg killer anyway (which is what I imagine is the issue the codex has with them), those can be ignored altogether, its excessive voice acting that sucks the life out of modern games and turns them into half baked movies.

Josh Sawyer disagrees.
http://www.formspring.me/JESawyer/q/646220062

What's your opinion on full voice-over for games, especially, you know, role playing games? Do you think they're a necessity? Do they hinder development in your opinion (you know, like 'I can't write a dialogue so long because the budget doesn't let us!')

It's expensive and can be hard to coordinate. It doesn't really have much of any impact on how we write, though.

In eleven years of making CRPGs, full voice over/lack of full voice over has honestly never factored into how I have written dialogue, structured a quest, etc. I have also never had someone come to me with a writing problem involving full voice over or lack thereof.

http://www.formspring.me/JESawyer/q/1159946500

What's your feeling on Silent Protagonists? Some people say it's more immersive and better not to put words in the player's mouth, some people say that Silent protagonists are inevitably too passive.

Personally, I prefer voiced protagonists. I feel more of an attachment to the character that way. I also like seeing my character in normal game play, so I prefer third person perspectives.

But I think this is something that comes down to person preference. You can't objectively quantify "immersion".

 

[Infinitron]

It's expensive and can be hard to coordinate. It doesn't really have much of any impact on how we write, though.

No shit, because you're already used to writing voiced RPGs exclusively.

Besides, why take writing advice from a man who has admitted he doesn't do writing for RPGs anymore and in fact dislikes writing for RPGs?

Avellone has repeatedly stated how much voice acting sucks for writing.

 

[~RAGING BONER~]

I'd really like to see Sawyer's face when faced with the full voicing costs of a game like BG2...I won't say PS:T because I don't desire him ill and the sight of that bill will surely give him a heart attack.

 

[Zeriel]

Another reason I hate voiced dialogue/cinematic games is it tends to remove any attempt to establish character outside of that voice-acting/cutscenes. In old, text-based games you had a lot of description of the character's attitude, their gestures, their tone, et cetera. While a really great voice-acting crew can do the same thing, I think I've played one, maybe two series in the last 20 years that managed. Legacy of Kain, and Mass Effect (Mass Effect is pretty iffy, too).

Done well, voice-acting requires the game to be built from the ground-up around the concept. On the other hand, even above-average voice-acting can ruin the best written dialogue in the game. It just doesn't seem like its worth the opportunity cost to me, but I am probably weird for having an imagination that makes written dialogue sound better in my head than 99.9% of voice-acted dialogue.

Cutscenes also tend to be set-pieces that either make for a very short game, or a longer game with very few cutscenes sprinkled throughout. Whereas with text you can accomplish the same exact thing (detailed characterization that would take a team of animators weeks to accomplish) in an hour of writing, and have that level of characterization across the entire game.

 

[pan]

I'm seeing assertions but no proofs. Granted I don't have proof either other than a firm conviction that "detailed sex scenes" is low on the priority list when it comes to most peoples' video game purchases.

If nothing else, sexual content can generate publicity. Think of that scandal involving Fox news and Mass Effect, or immature kids telling their immature friends that you can bang hookers and then kill them in Grand Theft Auto. Sex scenes and such can go a long way towards making a game stand out amongst it's prude competition. Then there are the people who genuinely enjoy sex scenes, such as Lesifore, who approves of anything with Lesbianism in it.

 

[Cromwell]

I'd really like to see Sawyer's face when faced with the full voicing costs of a game like BG2...I won't say PS:T because I don't desire him ill and the sight of that bill will surely give him a heart attack.

Not only that, I imagine it is hard to change things after the recording whereas with pure text someone just has to sit down and change a few or many lines, its much easier to genereate additional dialogue content or change the content that is already there

 

[Andyman Messiah]

Anyone who likes the Witcher sex scenes is quite literally a loser. CD Projekt ought to be [ashamed of them.]

Double why?

Because animated sex scenes in video games are dumb, pointless, and a waste of effort.

Yes, but why do you think they are dumb, pointless and a waste of effort?

The Witcher 2 is a highly cinematic game and its cutscenes, which are of top-notch quality, serve the purpose of advancing the story, like all cutscenes do. What does it matter if the cutscenes portray a couple engaging in romantic activities? Do you think this way when you watch a movie? Does watching sex scenes in movies make you feel the same way as watching sex scenes in games?

edit:

as far as video game porn goes this is as good as it gets

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYln2sBu5Tk

of course, it's all relative

See, I don't consider this particular scene to be porn. It's just a woman undressing and jumping in a pool of water, with the clumsy warrior man struggling to take off his own clothes because golly! he sure would want to be in the water with the naked woman too! That's funny! Fuck's sake, people. Then there's light sexual content before the scene ends.

Not porn. Just a cute little scene.

 

[J_C]

Anyone who likes the Witcher sex scenes is quite literally a loser. CD Projekt ought to be [ashamed of them.]

Double why?

Because animated sex scenes in video games are dumb, pointless, and a waste of effort.

Yes, but why do you think they are dumb, pointless and a waste of effort?

The Witcher 2 is a highly cinematic game and its cutscenes, which are of top-notch quality, serve the purpose of advancing the story, like all cutscenes do. What does it matter if the cutscenes portray a couple engaging in romantic activities? Do you think this way when you watch a movie? Does watching sex scenes in movies make you feel the same way as watching sex scenes in games?

edit:

as far as video game porn goes this is as good as it gets

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYln2sBu5Tk

of course, it's all relative

See, I don't consider this particular scene to be porn. It's just a woman undressing and jumping in a pool of water, with the clumsy warrior man struggling to take off his own clothes because golly! he sure would want to be in the water with the naked woman too! That's funny! Fuck's sake, people. Then there's light sexual content before the scene ends.

Not porn. Just a cute little scene.

A logical, sensible post about the topic? ON MAH CODEX!!!???

as far as video game porn goes this is as good as it gets

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYln2sBu5Tk

of course, it's all relative

You missed out on something important during your teenage years if you consider this porn.

 

[RK47]

 

[Andyman Messiah]

A logical, sensible post about the topic? ON MAH CODEX!!!???

It's not like it's unusual. Even in its present state, the Codex is one of the most logical, sensible places on the entire internet. Not to mention most open-minded. I am dead serious.

 

[RK47]

 

[Andyman Messiah]

 

[J_C]

A logical, sensible post about the topic? ON MAH CODEX!!!???

It's not like it's unusual. Even in its present state, the Codex is one of the most logical, sensible places on the entire internet. Not to mention most open-minded. I am dead serious.

Now let's just not overestimate the Codex. We have logical discussions but there are lots of people who shout DECLINE and TROLOLO about ever modern game.

 

[Andyman Messiah]

A logical, sensible post about the topic? ON MAH CODEX!!!???

It's not like it's unusual. Even in its present state, the Codex is one of the most logical, sensible places on the entire internet. Not to mention most open-minded. I am dead serious.

Now let's just not overestimate the Codex. We have logical discussions but there are lots of people who shout DECLINE and TROLOLO about ever modern game.

Inconsequential.