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Dragon Age must sell 2 million copies

Discussion in 'BioWare' started by DemonKing, Nov 11, 2009.

  1. Ausir Arcane

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    If you can't understand this, think of Chris Taylor still working on Fallout Online.
     
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  2. bhlaab Arbiter

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    Games is probably the strongest arm of the entertainment industry. This layoff would not have happened without the recession.
     
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  3. circ Arcane

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    Recession my ass. Recession hasn't stopped the CEO's and their asskissers from blowing the money on cars and coke. And with FIFA and other sports titles + same old shit from Maxis, EA is doing fine. This is an excuse to mold every remaining studio into casual gamer garbage.
     
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  4. hal900x Augur

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    I know I've heard "The Economy" (dun dun dunnnn) as an excuse, from just about every corporate entity I've had the displeasure of dealing with lately, for all kinds of shitty behavior. From fucking over employees to burning customers. In several instances, it's turned out the company hasn't been impacted in the slightest and were just tickled to have another bullshit reason for raping and pillaging. Entertainment companies are often the most protected during hard times. Game companies are doing fucking great compared to most sectors.
     
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  5. CrimsonAngel Prophet

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    Yeah i agree.
    The hole notion you are some kind of internet rebel that is sticking it to the man is FUCKING STUPID!

    I download games all the time, but i also buy when something is good.
    I reward good games and bad games get deleted quick becaus they SUCK.

    Saved a lot of money not getting Fallout 3, Oblivion and so on.

    Dragon Age is the latest game i bought after Torrent it and when Dragon Age 2 comes out i will buy it day one with out torrent it becaus the first game was good (in my opinion)

    Mass Effect 2 i will download first to try and see if it is worth using my money on becaus that is how i like to do things. Now the Kicker is of course that i don't try and pretend that i am some noble prince out the save gaming from the evils of the corporations.

    I Download becaus i want to. There is no other reason.
     
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  6. Grunker RPG Codex Ghost Patron

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    Nah. A boycott is a temporary deselection of a brand or company because of dissatisfaction with a specific thing, and it's entirely lawful. Civil disobedience is the act of unlawful protest against the system.

    And fuck me, we're seeing some stupidity in this thread. Most of you just say: "I think piracy has nothing to do with rebellion, thus it must be so."

    To you I say one of two things: Present an argument, or fuck you.

    The numbers are on my side. Piracy is currently the only thing giving cause to pause in the industry. Boycotters and non-buyers: You can stick your political consumption right up your ass. It has no documented effect whatsoever.
     
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  7. Lingwe Liturgist

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    Dear Doomsayers:

    Get it? For those of you who have problems with maths 18% means that there was positive growth in the computer games industry between 2007 and 2008. Which means that PC gaming isn't 'dying' or whatever other analogies you want to come up with.

    Dear Pirates

    You know not playing any games would be just as effective as pirating them?

    My local video shop rents out computer and console games. Is it the computer game producers fault that you are either 1) too lazy to extend your search further to find a store that rents video games or 2) unlucky enough to not have any stores in your town/city that rent video games?

    So you need to be able to play a game to confirm that you don't think you'll like it? Huh. If you don't think you will like a game then read some reviews...er ask someone who has played it and actually has a clue. Isn't that the whole point of posting on a site like the Codex? So you can ask people with similar views on gaming about how they found a particular game to be.

    As Volourn said, the 'try before you buy' crowd aren't enough to make a difference. The vast majority of people who pirate just want stuff for free. It's a nature in all of us. If we can get something for free rather than paying for it then we will. But as Volourn said as well making up shit to explain away the fact that you are doing so just makes you a bullshitter as well as a pirate. I download episodes of my favourite anime because I don't want to have to pay for them. At least I admit it and don't come up with cheap excuses like "I want to see what it is like before I try it", "I don't think I'll like it so I'll watch it once and then delete it", and "I'm downloading to make a stand man. I'm like some kind of rebel man".

    You're acquiring somethig for free that others pay for. Whether it is rival or non-rival the fact is that you are consuming a good and not paying anything for it. Thieves.

    Dear People Posting:

    At least have the decency to post something like "I agree" or some other banal comment. Copying a comment (particularly a large one) and then just sticking the word This on the end makes you look like a flaming drongo.
     
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  8. Grunker RPG Codex Ghost Patron

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    Nope. Didn't know that. But that's probably because it's a load of horseshit. No playing them/boycott is political consumption. It has all the documented effect of healing by crystals.

    Piracy has a well-documented effect for pushing new buisnessmodels.

    Now, while it has not been proven why this is, it might be logical to assume it's because the first option, political consumption, is almost non-existent in statistics, and extremely difficult to get support for.

    People simply want to play games. And who can blame them? It's their fucking hobby, and it's quite understandable they don't want to cling to the slim hope of a boycott working after 5 years of game-celibacy.

    Piracy has none of those two problems. It has all the 'fuck you' value of a boycott, while being extremely easy to view in statistics. AND, you get to continue your hobby anyway.

    All in all, the conclusion is that piracy is a pretty damned solid statement, and either you give up you "codex cool hat" ("I'm a thief and I know but fuck you") or you fail to convince me of anything else.
     
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  9. Hümmelgümpf Arbiter

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    Like digital distribution and online activation.
     
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  10. Grunker RPG Codex Ghost Patron

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    Sure thing. Which makes me smile. I won't object when the industry takes steps to further anger their buyers and send them our way.

    Not sure I see what digital distribution has to do with anything though. It's not inherently bad (like online activation), and there's nothing barring me from pirate games that are digitally distributed.
     
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  11. Elzair Cipher

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    Wow, this so reminds me of the Konscience of a Kourier.

     
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  12. Grunker RPG Codex Ghost Patron

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    :lol:

    My, my, that was stupid. Writing a whole piece based on prejudice has no place in a serious discussion, Elzair. You want to bring text to the table, it better be in the form of an argument or actually well-written stuff. That crap was predictable and boring as fuck.

    Are you people fucking done yet posting irrelevant stuff instead of arguments?
     
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  13. Elzair Cipher

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    Alright, here's an argument: your civil disobedience piracy is just as irrelevant as boycotts.

    The vast majority of pirates pirate something because they CAN or because they just don't like paying for things. Your little civil disobedience is a blip on the radar if that.
     
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  14. Grunker RPG Codex Ghost Patron

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    Thanks :D

    It's just sad that it's a bad argument. A) Because I still get to play some games, unlike the boycotters, and B) Since the industry is losing more money to piracy than any boycott has ever achieved.

    I would find the numbers for you, but I'm too fucking lazy. I can mail you some studies of the area, however.

    As a bonus note, the swedish Piratbyrän has a seat in the European Parliament.
     
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  15. MasterSmithFandango Arcane

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    Okay, so you'll say that piracy doesn't have a major impact on the industry one way or another. That's a point I am more than willing to concede.

    Therefore, there is no harm done by piracy.

    Therefore, if there is no harm done, is there any wrongness done?
     
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  16. Elzair Cipher

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    Oh that's rich! The game companies are losing even more to people who just don't care to buy their games (a.k.a. the boycott). If pirates who play games they would have bought anyway teach the industry anything, it is that it needs stronger DRM or needs to abandon the PC platform altogether.
     
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  17. Xor Prestigious Gentleman Arcane

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    Codex 2014 PC RPG Website of the Year, 2015 Codex 2016 - The Age of Grimoire Divinity: Original Sin Torment: Tides of Numenera Wasteland 2 Divinity: Original Sin 2
    A) I deserve free games.
    B) Piracy represents a lost sale.

    I think you're the one with weak arguments. I'd elaborate but I have class in like 10 minutes.
     
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  18. MasterSmithFandango Arcane

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    That's avoiding the question.

    A simple statement was made. People who pirate wouldn't buy the games anyway, therefore nothing is really lost by the industry when people pirate their games.

    Therefore, if no harm is done to the industry, why is piracy wrong? Who is the victim? Who is wronged?
     
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  19. Trash Pointing and laughing.

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    The Amiga died a slow death because of piracy.
     
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  20. Tails Arbiter

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    No it was PC itself, since any company could make it and sell for whatever price, that could be even lower then typical price for Amiga.

    Anyway, Amiga isn't dead, to this day there is new software for it, OSes and stuff. Amiga will live forever ;)
     
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  21. BlitzKitchen Self-Ejected Patron

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  22. Trash Pointing and laughing.

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    So does the MSX and the Spectrum and C64. Hooah!
     
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  23. Grunker RPG Codex Ghost Patron

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    Eh? You have a very weak argument there buddy ol' boy. Even EA has forfeited the most rigid forms of DRM, mainly because of lessons from Spore. A DRM was planned for DA:O, but later scrapped. The numbers are in this case hidden, since companies don't make their market shares public. So we don't know whether it hurt the industry. But we do know they're moving away from rigid DRM, and we also know that tech support has gotten more complaints over DRM than any other problem in 07/08.

    If you don't have the time, don't waste mine. A) No, I don't deserve free games, and B) No, I've never said that. That's idiotic. Part of piracy represents lost sale, but not by a long shot all of it.
     
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  24. made Arcane

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    No, son. CBM killed the Amiga through mismanagement. You might want to read up on the company's history before throwing around blanket catchphrases.
     
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  25. Elzair Cipher

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    There was a question? I thought there was just a rant about pirates being hardcore rebels overthrowing the system, man! You do realize I was replying to Grunker, right?

    Alright, I think there has been a misunderstanding, but I will answer the question anyway. Downloading a game for free (without permission from the owners) is not stealing because no one has been deprived of anything. Pirating a game is like sneaking into a movie theater, art gallery or strip club. You are not taking anything from the owners, but in these cases, someone has created something that you obviously want to see, and you decide to gain access to it against their wishes. You may not be stealing it, but you are still ripping someone off. If you do not think ripping people off is wrong, then I can't help you.

    Furthermore, if people download and play a 30 hour game, they are saying it was not worth their money, but it was worth their time. That does not compute.
     
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