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Fallout Fallout 2 is way worse than I remember it.

Discussion in 'General RPG Discussion' started by deuxhero, Sep 8, 2021.

  1. blessed king of longing Savant

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    Damn, Underrail has even worse visuals and feedback than i remembered. I know it's an EA indie but come on - 9 years on and still getting mogged by games from the early 2000s and 90s?
     
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  2. Sykar Arcane

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    Fallout was made by a studio unlike Underrail wich was created on a self made engine created by one guy. Above all Underrail takes a huge dump on FO when it comes to combat which was trite and shallow in FO and it was in fact by far its worst aspect apart from the death animations which became boring halfway through the game.
     
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  3. Smerlus Educated

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    He started with a sledge and he started unequipping things as soon as I got him. I just used him as an example because someone mentioned I might have forgotten ammo. It was every party member I got the entire game and it would happen as soon as they joined the party.
     
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  4. Ol' Willy Arcane Zionist Agent

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    Infusion is likely to have some death animations
     
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  5. cvv Arcane Patron

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    Replayed OG Fallouts maybe 6 years ago and still liked both a lot. Except for the combat which was p. bad.
     
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  6. Volourn Pretty Princess Pretty Princess

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    Hey original OP: Nice troll, now stop playing RPGs. FO2 is one of the best RPGs ever. I am pro free speech, but bullshit talk like yours makes me understand how dictators are created. LMAO :wink:

    And, no, I haven't read the thread. The title TRIGGERED me. So thanks a lot, you turned me into a TRIGGRED SJW so double fuck off. L0LZ
     
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  7. ItsChon Resident Zoomer Patron

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    All I hear is baby man faggot has inferior eyes. I have a large monitor and I sit far away from my desk and have never had any problems with the icons. Imagine being so crippled, cope harder.

    And whether or not the icons or small doesn't necessarily mean you can call the rest of the UI shit.
    More drivel.
    Original post is from MRY, so I cannot take credit. Do not use the bullshit excuse of FO taking place in a desert to excuse its shit color scheme. Underrail isn't the most colorful game in the world, but it does a great job of mixing in different hues and tones to diversify the color palette of the game so everything doesn't look so lifeless and dry. Of course if you're going to be exploring the Upper/Lower Caves they're going to be muted in color, but there are plenty of vibrant locations in the world that also make sense thematically/logically. There is also a ton of blue and black in Underrai's cave systemsl, as much if not more than the brown. You're talking out of your ass and it's painfully obvious.
    Literal boomer Fallout fanboy has the audacity to complain about another games fanbase? Absolutely hilarious. I love how you ignore my very valid critique of Fallout's shit inventory because you can't deny its validity. Fallout's UI is shit for other reasons as well, but I can see it's not worth typing out.
    Plenty of lore all throughout expition that goes deeper into the lore of the Godmen, Old Biocorp, Old Junkyard, Protectorate, and the world of Underrail before Biocorp started to run everything, as well as many other things. This shit has been discussed in the actual forums and is easy to pull up. But it's cool, I know you want to run your mouth off on a shit you don't know a damn thing about so you can get some precious virtual points from your Fallout butt faggots.
    Maybe you missed it. My brain has wrinkles in it though, so I didn't have that problem. Just because the game doesn't shove it in your fucking face doesn't mean it's easy to miss.
    The game has plenty of C&C when it comes to quests, factions, build choices, dungeons and so on. Just because there is a linear story that culminates with fighting Tchort and getting the cube doesn't mean the game doesn't have C&C. Not every game has to have a thousand different endings. Shit tier opinion.
    Just some places that come to mind.

    Locations
    Caerus Residential Block, Lemurian Grand Archive, Lemurian Medical Center, Joint Security Center, Blistering Shores Research Facility Oculus, Abyssal Station Zero, Foundry, Gray Army Military Base, Port Ceto, University Basement, The Rig, Drag 'n' Drop, Abandoned Waterway Facility

    Just some characters that come to mind.

    Characters
    Gorsky, Azif, Six, Captain Grim, Ferryman, Yngwar, Ezra, Dude, Kharon, Dan, Kokoschka, Abram, Marcus Ladelman, Vivian Young, Aran, Todd, Rathound King, Evelyn Ingram, Jon the Beautiful, Norman Hack

    Plenty of other examples for both locations and characters.
    What's satisfying is your character's progression from a weak, clueless zoner, to a powerful and influential man who has uncovered many of the secrets of his world. You've ventured down into the Deep Caverns, a place that is teased in the beginning of the game and seems so distant/unreachable and plundered its depths with all the loot you can carry. You discovered the truth and secret behind the Faceless, what they were and who they are now, and what motivates them. You averted a cataclysmic disaster that could've ended all of humanity. If you want resolution, you can always stay behind and run SGS after Tanner's exodus, guiding the station through political turmoil towards the path that you see fit. If you perhaps want more of Underrail and it's world, you can travel North, and continue your quest. These are both types of narrative resolution that are very satisfying.

    By your logic, in Fallout 1 you get kicked out of the vault no matter what, so what's the point of going through the entire game?
    I'm not the one shitting on Fallout's plot though you absolute mongoloid. I critique the game for its absolutely trash gameplay. Absolute mindmelt. Don't call Underrail's main quest boring because you're just running around looking for a cube when you're literally running around looking for a water chip and a G.E.C.K in Fallout 1 and 2.
    You and the rest of the NMA rejects on this forum are the ones that sperg whenever anyone dares critique your precious game.

    I also love when jaded retards like you say zoomer as if it's some sort of insult. I'm young which is why I shitpost on internet forums and fuck around in between class/work/fucking bitches. What's your excuse you absolute fucking failure? Don't be mad because I'm literally better at life than you.
    There are tons of examples of great writing throughout the game. All of the lore surrounding Old Biocorp, Expedition, Psi Monoliths, Oculus Mainframes, character dialogue, the lore behind the University and the Faceless. It's not missable, you're just retarded.
    Wow, imagine a game actually requiring you to play it. You can stealth through many parts of Underrail. Of course there are locations and quests where you have to fight if you want to proceed, but if there wasn't that would not be logically consistent in the slightest. As for the death animations, they're literally irrelevant to me. I don't have a sub triple digit IQ where some shitty sprite bending over or exploding on a screen tickles my balls enough for me to keep playing through a game where every other aspect of the game is shit.

    Why is there a constant flow of these animals into this forum? Shit arguments and vague platitudes that are regurgitated by every robot that is stuck 20 years in the past.
     
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  8. KeighnMcDeath RPG Codex Boomer

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    Lol

    Of note: (open)

    hi!
    Hi everyone!

    I'm easily the biggest Crusader fan in the entire world... I've been playing Crusader every day since November 24, 1996... I'm serious, I've played Crusader EVERY DAY since then.

    It's really rare to find a Crusader fans online, it's so great to find many on one thread!!! PLEASE message me on any of these programs, I would just love to talk about Crusader with other fans.

    AIM: ZFGokuSSJ1
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    I have three copies of No Remorse and two of No Regret, I clean each CD every time before and after I use 'em.... I preserve them in DVD cases using Crusader DVD covers which I made... you can find them on www.wcnews.com(Look at the day before yesterday's news)

    By the way, if you have trouble running LEGAL copies of No Remorse/No Regret, I recommend you get this: http://community.the-underdogs.org/p...ks/whive12.zipIt's extremely easy to use, it's how I can play the games.

    Also, how did you guys get the games to run in DOSBox??? I can't, I get the Fastflex error... I don't need to play the game in DOSBox, but I need screenshots of No Remorse... And I've never been able to find a program that works in pure-DOS mode that can take screenshots, so I have a huge favor for somebody...

    Can someone take ALOT of screenshots of the game, the movies, the credits, and the menu?

    What I really need are screenshots of the movies with the characters, just take ALOT of screenshots of all the movies. I would really, REALLY appreciate it.

    I'm making a Crusader website called Crunore... I would love for at least ten Crusader fans to help me make the ultimate Crusader website.
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  9. ItsChon Resident Zoomer Patron

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    Lol, the fact that grown men will sit and gush about a handful of death animations, and use them to excuse an absolutely braindead combat system which has no depth or complexity is fucking hilarious to me.
     
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  10. KeighnMcDeath RPG Codex Boomer

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    Oh, I wouldn't say I gush about anything. I merely posted vids with as many as possible for comparison. I come from a time when text adventures were frowned upon because they weren't books. The ages of early graphics and colorful desctiptions (Stuart Smith in FRACAS explained a small point of that in his early game). Instead of hit, killed, takes xx damage, dies, etc he had some more colorful text. Gameplay would be the same with or without that.

    [trimming out the OT crap]

    Without spoiling too much how about a more detailed breakdown of FO vs Underrail combat.

    I only played a few playthroughs of FO1 and didn't get anywhere in FO2 before jumping to something else like spreadsheets. I haven't tried Underrail. Videos only convey so much.
     
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  11. Sykar Arcane

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    FO combat devolves around getting hit chance high enough to hit shots to the eyes all the damn time and pop stimpacks once you get low. That's it. Try that in Underrail and you are dead meat. Well I guess tincan AR build can play somewhat similar to that though not all the time either.
     
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  12. KeighnMcDeath RPG Codex Boomer

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    Isn't Underrail 2 in dev atm or will there just be further DLC module installments?

    I guess people can mod & patch the old fallouts but there won't be new ones done in that style.

    Underrail has the possibilty to continue.

    Atom will probably have future developements.

    Wasteland... who knows.

    I prefer comparisons among a wider range of apoc games. There are peobably others that can be tried and mastered (or finished like a one night stand).

    I haven't played a post apoc game in ages (Hellgate london doesn't count). What are a few others I could tack onto the list?

    Must be party, TB combat, post apoc / sci-fi.

    https://stygiansoftware.com/games.html
     
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  13. SkiNNyBane Arbiter Patron

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    Grab the Codex by the pussy
  14. SkiNNyBane Arbiter Patron

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    Grab the Codex by the pussy
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    Grab the Codex by the pussy
    The only nostalgia I am experiencing is for the time before I read this thread.
     
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  16. unseeingeye Cleric/Mage Patron

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    Strap Yourselves In
    I have both of the Crusader games but have yet to try them. Are they still any good, despite being puzzle games, or whatever it is they are?
     
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  17. Valdetiosi Educated

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    Yeah let's ignore every other possible way to do combat, because it's outright impossible to do. We all know Sniper perk is what all gamers strive for when they play Fallout 2.
     
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  18. Ol' Willy Arcane Zionist Agent

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    Sadly, only four somewhat different builds are the main meat of Fallout 2:

    - eye-shooter. Nuff said
    - melee/unarmed one. Different in some stats and skills, but the goal is the same: kick people in the eyes - or head
    - burst one. Different stats and skills, but the goal is to get closer and spray people
    - pacifist one. Nuff said

    Now, the build autism of Underrail...
     
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  19. Ol' Willy Arcane Zionist Agent

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    Sadly, there was no autist dedicated enough to mod the shit out of Fallout. RPG KKKodex own dev section has a dedicated thread where a guy named Jim The Dinosaur had shown things inconceivable... but of course he dropped it.
     
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  20. Harthwain Cipher

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    I didn't have problems with the icons (or numbers on them) when I was playing the Alpha Demo version of Underrail, but I admit that being able to adjust the size of the window (to make objects in it a bit bigger) wouldn't hurt. In fact, I can argue that the inventory screen could be bigger by default, because there is free space on screen for it (at least in 1920x1080 resolution, which is my default display).

    Fallout's color scheme fits though. I never had to think about it, because to me it made sense that a radioactive wasteland of the post-apocalypse world is made up mostly of sand and rocks. But I do think the reason for that is also to save up on work. Instead of coming up with dozens of different outdoor environments you have one and can focus on other stuff to implement in your game. However, there are also ruined cities and industrial complexes (not sure how to name it better) made up of concrete or metal, so there is some variety that - again - makes sense in the game's world. For an old game it holds up pretty good.

    As for Underrail - it looks very clean, the color palette is larger (while also making sense) and it gets a lot of extra points from me for pixel art, because I am a fan of it. If you are not the fan of pixel art, then I guess I can understand not liking Underrail's art style as much.

    I don't understand why there has to be some sort of competition between people who enjoy Fallout and Underrail. I enjoyed Fallout games (including Fallout Tactics) and during the brief time I've played Underrail I felt like it had some of the spirit of Fallout in it. The main reason I didn't bought it back then was because I had a lot of other stuff to play at the time, but now I think I'll buy the game when it goes on sale.
     
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  21. KeighnMcDeath RPG Codex Boomer

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    My only attempt on Crusader No Remorse and No Regret was on an old 486 dos computer. I could barely run them but I liked what I saw. Or lordy at times it'd drop to 0-5 fps. Soooo slow. I spent months just to finish the first game due to slow speed. I haven't fired up the GoG versions. You could probably play with a gamepad tbh.
     
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    Ah, Fallout 2, the game which makes me so into it that i havn't notice that my table lamp melted into pc case after few hours of playin years ago.
     
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  23. KeighnMcDeath RPG Codex Boomer

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    That's either a hot light or a lamp made of wax..... or a mimic.
     
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  24. Sykar Arcane

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    To "do" combat? Are you joking? What else can you do apart from avoidance which is available in Underrail as well? Yeah you can fast shot and burst which changes jack shit overall except for effective range and ammo consumption but on a tactical level it is just as brain dead. Sorry to burst your bubble but combat in FO is one of if not flat out the shallowest in every cRPG available.

    The different build types are just different flavors which utilize the same shit, use your most effective attack, spam stimpacks when low, done. Also skills while nice and all are severly unbalanced since the 3 winners are small arms, speech and lockpick. Everything else is a clear notch below. Same with traits where Gifted reigns supreme and is boderline broken. Attributes are straight broken with Charisma being safely dumpable in basically every build and even Endurance, except no reload shenanningangs, and Luck can be opted out of in many builds. The two big winners are agility and intelligence which are rarely below 9/10 outside of something specific like retard playthough.
     
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  25. jackofshadows Magister

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    Yeah, even if UI is scalable for quite some time now it mostly about fonts, not icons. Never had a problem with it myself though, even on release.
    Some low effort troll came to shit on Underral and for some reason it worked.
    In the eye-shooter/non combat ones, otherwise you need it. Nevertheless stat values are insanely lopsided. By the way, it's funny how guys from AtomTeam made it even worse by allowing player to immensly buff END/CHAR and people were like "what an awesome system".
     
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