Felipepepe on the history of the term "CRPG"

[luj1]

Typical dialectic person vs rhetoric person dialogue. Luj is here to prove Felipe's point wrong. Felipe is here to make Luj seem uncool.

He has no point. The entire article begins and ends with the same premise. I.e. "definitions change over time", which is just postmodern revisionist quackery. Also "East vs West, JRPG vs WRPG divide" never happened. It's fake, because they were never together.

JRPGs are a cultural appropriation of *some* RPG lineages such as Wizardry and Ultima with simplified mechanics, anime-style art, and linear storytelling. They are a regional subvariation like osterns are a style within westerns. Therefore whoever utters "WRPG" should be clubbed with baseball bats. That's like saying western westerns.

Lastly, a realtime action game dominated by player skill and lacking at least some kind of to-hit calculation is not an RPG. But these guys just stretch genre boundaries until everyone gets a participation trophy. It’s pure postmodern politics, initiated to fit the personal agenda.

 

[Machocruz]

Remember, 'language is fluid' is how your simple disapproval of a behavior or lifestyle becomes a 'phobia.'

 

[mondblut]

Yeah. Don't forget that after legitimizing japshit, the next step is delegitimizing everything else. If you think I'm bullshitting you, just look at what aweigh or reinhardt or rean or their ilk are posting about every day.

To be fair, aweigh never struck me as weeb, he is just an obsessive fanboy of Greenberg Wizardry who refuses to acknowledge anything which is not a 1:1 carbon copy of it, cartoon kiddie porn or not.

 

[Vlajdermen]

Yeah. Don't forget that after legitimizing japshit, the next step is delegitimizing everything else. If you think I'm bullshitting you, just look at what aweigh or reinhardt or rean or their ilk are posting about every day.

To be fair, aweigh never struck me as weeb, he is just an obsessive fanboy of Greenberg Wizardry who refuses to acknowledge anything which is not a 1:1 carbon copy of it, cartoon kiddie porn or not.

He eats japanese people's turds as communion wafers. He's very open about it.

 

[Mortmal]

At some point I arrived at the conclusion that cRPG is too broad a term to be useful. Terms like "blobber" or "jRPG" give a much clearer picture of what you can expect. "PnP RPG" and "aRPG" also give you a better idea of the game's playstyle.

This year, the top three RPGs I played were Clair Obscur, Kingdom Come 2, and Cyber Knights Flashpoint. They're all so different from each other that RPG doesn't seem to mean much anymore. The closest to a traditional tabletop RPG is clearly Cyber Knights, and by far — it has party creation, deeper tactical combat, more choices and consequences, multiple storylines, and a vast range of classes and skill trees that you can't possibly max out in a single playthrough. While the other two are excellent games, they're much lighter on the RPG elements. Interestingly, all of them can be played on consoles, PC, or the hybrid Steam Deck, so even the term CRPG doesn't hold much meaning these days.

 

[Nifft Batuff]

You can play computer RPGs on console too. And you can play Japanese RPGs in Europe and US too.

 

[Silverfish]

But these guys just stretch genre boundaries until everyone gets a participation trophy.

If genres were real and not just marketing, this could be a serious issue.

 

[Vlajdermen]

But these guys just stretch genre boundaries until everyone gets a participation trophy.

Genres are a social construct! I identify this game as an RPG, so for the last time, take me heckin' seriously!

 

[Falksi]

So, if I'm getting this straight, what the article is saying...is that Zelda is an RPG?

This is what the article is saying:

Yeah. Don't forget that after legitimizing japshit, the next step is delegitimizing everything else. If you think I'm bullshitting you, just look at what aweigh or reinhardt or rean or their ilk are posting about every day.

Weebs hate white people. That's been the force animating their religion (it's not a subculture. It's a religion.) since the very beignning. Anyone who says otherwise is lying.

So, I count on your support for the JRPG I'm currently making?

Ace, thanks!

 

[Vlajdermen]

So, if I'm getting this straight, what the article is saying...is that Zelda is an RPG?

This is what the article is saying:

Yeah. Don't forget that after legitimizing japshit, the next step is delegitimizing everything else. If you think I'm bullshitting you, just look at what aweigh or reinhardt or rean or their ilk are posting about every day.

Weebs hate white people. That's been the force animating their religion (it's not a subculture. It's a religion.) since the very beignning. Anyone who says otherwise is lying.

So, I count on your support for the JRPG I'm currently making?

Ace, thanks!

That joke makes no sense.

 

[Tavernking]

By the way, it is "CRPG", not "cRPG".

Anyone who uses the latter is an idiot.

An uncapitalized "c" is prefixed because cRPGs are secondary and subordinate to actual role-playing games.

 

[Fedora Master]

Typical dialectic person vs rhetoric person dialogue. Luj is here to prove Felipe's point wrong. Felipe is here to make Luj seem uncool.

He has no point. The entire article begins and ends with the same premise. I.e. "definitions change over time", which is just postmodern revisionist quackery. Also "East vs West, JRPG vs WRPG divide" never happened. It's fake, because they were never together.

JRPGs are a cultural appropriation of *some* RPG lineages such as Wizardry and Ultima with simplified mechanics, anime-style art, and linear storytelling. They are a regional subvariation like osterns are a style within westerns. Therefore whoever utters "WRPG" should be clubbed with baseball bats. That's like saying western westerns.

Lastly, a realtime action game dominated by player skill and lacking at least some kind of to-hit calculation is not an RPG. But these guys just stretch genre boundaries until everyone gets a participation trophy. It’s pure postmodern politics, initiated to fit the personal agenda.

We both know why certain subgroups on this forum insist on muddying the waters when it comes to definitions.

 

[Silverfish]

Genres are a social construct!

Glad you're catching on.

 

[The Brazilian Slaughter]

You can play computer RPGs on console too. And you can play Japanese RPGs in Europe and US too.

I play Console RPGs in my Computer. And I play Japanese RPGs IN SOUTH AMERICA!

In fact, I'm playing Inindo: Way of the Ninja right now, so I am currently doing both. Eat shit, Japan, Glory to the Brazilian Empire!
Based Brazilian PC Master will always prevail over godless eastern gookoids and chinkoids

 

[jackofshadows]

People care about genre boundaries a little too much.

That said, the fact many people nowadays imply under cRPG isometric "rpg-like" games annoys me.

 

[Harthwain]

so even the term CRPG doesn't hold much meaning these days.

That's so because it is difficult to quantify the amount of RPG-ness in a video game that is naturally running on numbers. This is precisely why "classes" and "stats" are enough for many. Me? I think people forget that said classes and stats are not the goal in and of itself, but a way of achieving an objective, which is to provide the player a framework to interact with the world.

 

[Bruma Hobo]

I like anime, I've enjoyed many Japanese games (including action-adventure games like Zelda, and plot-heavy sports games with numbers like Captain Tsubasa 2 for the NES), and I love old-school CRPGs like Ultima and Wizardry.

Yet I despise most JRPGs, and I don't believe they should be considered actual RPGs, with a few exceptions like say, SMT or Uncharted Waters (and they would barely qualify anyways). Please explain this to me, and don't tell me that's due to mere cultural differences.

 

[Nifft Batuff]

Some years ago I found a discussion on reddit seriously debating if we should use the term "RPG" to identify exclusively all the modern soulslikes, since all the other old classic types of RPGs were basically extinct, while soulslikes were the future.

 

[Russia is over. The end.]

JRPGs are a cultural appropriation

It's annoying to even hear the term "cultural appropriation", which is imbued with lgtb lies. All cultures are the heritage of mankind, you can't "steal a culture". If you start speaking Zulu, no language is being stolen. Yet if you wear dreads (which would make you an idiot), lgbt would screech "theft".
Your unironic use of the term is disturbing, as it perpetuates lies.

lacking at least some kind of to-hit calculation is not an RPG.

There was a glottochronological model that estimated that 14% of the "core vocabulary" of languages changes over 1000 years, on average. Core vocabulary was defined as 150-200 basic words.
Coincidentally, a thousand years is also about how long it takes for a language to stop being recognizable to modern speakers, making it into a distinct thing, not unlike different game genres. But between Old English and Modern English (1000 years), there were Middle English and Early Modern English, and those are the "action RPG" and the "jRPG", the in-between things, the RPG variants.

A dialect is considered by linguists to spring into its own separate language upon 20% divergence of core vocabulary. The number is arbitrary, but indicative. This is what any serious RPG analyst should establish, and the number should be in this ballpark.

It's unnecessarily reductive to say that "To hit calculation" makes an RPG. There's obviously a list of "core mechanics" that makes an RPG, like a "core vocabulary" makes a language. Once the core mechanics change X%, the game becomes a subtype of RPG. Once Y% is reached, the game becomes a different genre. Defining an RPG is about defining this list, and then coming up with a number.

I've talked about it in the past. This methodology will define the RPG genre perfectly, once somebody works on it seriously. https://rpgcodex.net/forums/threads...d-some-hidden-gems.151132/page-7#post-9116208

 

[Russia is over. The end.]

0sacred just because I wrote politely doesn't mean I'm AI. I talk to it a lot, though. Better than talking to people most of the time.

 

[mondblut]

Please explain this to me, and don't tell me that's due to mere cultural differences.

The answer you're looking for is "manga". Not just a drawing style, the whole baggage that comes with it. I mean, "one piece" is a western-produced live action series, and it's still fucking retarded, because it is based on dumb comics.

CRPGs would be pretty cringeworthy too, if their originators' source of inspiration was Batman comics and not LOTR.

 

[Beans00]

Felipepepe was bullied off the codex by luj1, who exposed him for being a cuck and a shill.

No one cares.

 

[Ol' Willy]

This year, the top three RPGs I played were Clair Obscur, Kingdom Come 2, and Cyber Knights Flashpoint.

The first two are not RPGs

 

[SixDead]

You can play computer RPGs on console too. And you can play Japanese RPGs in Europe and US too.

I play Console RPGs in my Computer. And I play Japanese RPGs IN SOUTH AMERICA!

In fact, I'm playing Inindo: Way of the Ninja right now, so I am currently doing both. Eat shit, Japan, Glory to the Brazilian Empire!
Based Brazilian PC Master will always prevail over godless eastern gookoids and chinkoids

 

[Mortmal]

This year, the top three RPGs I played were Clair Obscur, Kingdom Come 2, and Cyber Knights Flashpoint.

The first two are not RPGs

Sure, but if you draw the line at things like party creation, character sheets, full party control, and turn-based combat, then you’re effectively wiping out most of the RPG Codex Top 100 list. Games like Gothic, ELEX, Cyberpunk 2077, Skyrim, even Daggerfall wouldn't belong there by that definition. Might as well rewrite one and call it the Top 100 RPGs Taliban Edition at that point.