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Squeenix Final Fantasy VII Remake

Discussion in 'jRPG Weeaboo Discussion' started by Perkel, Jun 15, 2015.

  1. Lord of Riva Prophet Patron

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    huh? thats not what i said.

    The fact is that Tifas design has been changed to please those who think that her design was problematic because it was to "sexy". However those who do not mind things that are feminine cried out that things have changed to please the people not valuing whatever they think is worthwhile while those who fought to change her design are still not happy, as can be easily seen in this thread even, in the quoted chat messages.

    Hence i asked what the actual problematic designs are for those who are still not happy, it seems impossible to find an accurate description of the things that are problematic, unless the sole fact that someone could find her hot is the problem itself.
    But naturally there is nothing males wouldn't possibly find hot (including objects) and i do think her design is definitely attractively designed myself. I also do not mean that derogatory regarding male sexual behavior, just to make this clear: my stance is quite the opposite of that.

    I also did not want to steer the direction of this thread in this direction, while I am quite happy to discuss this gernally, there are already a lot of places to do this. My apologies if this now derailed the discussion however i could not let the comment of Dawkinsfan69 stand uncommented when the games has in fact been "de-sexualized" (read: changed in a way that is supposedly gives less offence in certain circles) that we debate this now is quite the indication that the whole "sexualisation" debate and the steps to counter this "sexualisation" are outright nonsense.
     
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  2. aweigh Arcane

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    Bingo. Post-modern cultural marxism is an emotional engine that doesn't deal with coherence and does not require internal consistency.

    What is wrong with Tifa? Anything they want to be wrong, period. If they notice you like something a little too much then they will take it away, as simple as that, because the goal is to dominate the medium. There is a lot of game playing going on and tribal politics are the order of the day.
     
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  3. Delterius Prestigious Gentleman Arcane

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    so the girls are cute and you're still talking about sjws

    good lord you guys are boring
     
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  4. Lord of Riva Prophet Patron

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    Uhm, i did not start the debate about how pornographic FF7 is. I am also not sure who "you guys" are, not that I am not used that people tend to find the easiest to reach shoe-box to put people into. Not sure how this makes me the boring one though.

    While you are right about that, I would also say that being "careful" is a fools errand just like with this topic it actually does not matter what you say, someone in their arbitrary group think will find offense.

    So i would think that being careful when i merely *try* to state the truth would mean submitting to the rules of an arbitrary group. I'm not planning on that in the near future.
     
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  5. Delterius Prestigious Gentleman Arcane

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    you have an entire dumpsterfire to watch

    but you focus on what resetera thinks about the cute girls

    while true patricians are revelling on best thot jessie

    so yeah thou art boring
     
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  6. Lord of Riva Prophet Patron

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    funny, here i thought i was quoting a post on the codex, not resetera. Maybe you mixed up your tabs?

    EDIT: Also i hardly focus ONLY on this issue, even in this thread. But whatever.
     
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    Square handling the cross dressing part with extra care is so Japanese.
     
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  8. Thorakitai Educated

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    This is game is literally the sequel to Advent Children all right. All flash and no substance.

    All these scenes that pay homage to the original story but please the crowd with incredible bullshit that wasn't in it. (Hojo spelling out that Cloud isn't soldier, showing Nibelheim before Tifa is introduced, Tifa, Jessie and Aerith fangirling and thirsting for Cloud like a bunch of fangirls, Sephiroth and Cloud doing anime-style fights...).
     
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  9. Lord of Riva Prophet Patron

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    I just watched it. What a wierd sequence. You can clearly see that there was effort put into it, thats not the problem.

    What i would however point out that the atmosphere of the situation has been quite drastically changed. The Honey bee Inn alluded to prostution (even if it's played for fun in all instances) in the original which makes the shitty life under the city-plate in the slums more believable. If they were partying all day long there this message doesn't really get across.
     
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  10. BrotherFrank Nouveau Riche Patron

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    Also on a related note, does Don Corneo always pick Cloud in the remake? Vids I’ve watched always has that outcome no matter the dress chosen.

    Not a hill worth dying on but will consider it another sign of decline if an alt path you were unlikely to see on your first playthrough (the cloud outcome required you among other things to give the right qualities you wanted in a dress to the dressmaker and picking a certain item out of several at a vending machine when staying the night at an inn, you needed a strategy guide to get all this right) became mandatory in the remake. Basically an easter egg that became infamous is now the only way forward because it’s what people remember so gotta give the plebs what they want, almost as cheap and pandering as fighting sephiroth to the beat of one winged angel before you even leave midgar.

    And yeah likewise, I remember the honeybee inn to be seedier underneath the glitzy exterior. Now it’s the moulin rouge.
     
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  11. Delterius Prestigious Gentleman Arcane

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    what
     
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  12. Clockwork Knight Arcane

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    Probably because it's the current year and him picking the girls would be too creepy ew gross. Hope I'm wrong though, the rest of the game didn't seem to care about that noise

    Stan Lee's cameos keep getting weirder
     
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  13. Ninjerk Arcane

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    Didn't they strongly imply that Cloud got gangraped if you did well but not quite enough to get the Don's attention?
     
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  14. rusty_shackleford Arcane

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    They seem to be ok with games that are full of ugly and fat women.
     
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  15. BrotherFrank Nouveau Riche Patron

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    I remember there being a bit in the honeybee inn where Clould could share a small bath with big burly gym dudes and the dialogue for it being..open to interpretation especially with the camera looking away as if what was happening wasn’t family friendly, but don’t remember anything nefarious happening at corneo’s mansion.
     
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    Cloud doesn't get raped, but Don Corneo does give him to his boys to make use of as they please. Its the scene where a bunch of dudes are walking slowly towards Cloud.

    But nevermind that, Tifa was in a sex dungeon.
     
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  17. Generic-Giant-Spider Arcane

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    Don't forget the most important part of Corneo's mansion:

    A fat dude outsmarts all three of you and sends you down to the SEWERS while hip thrusting about it.
     
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  18. Beastro Arcane

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    He's talking about when Cloud passes out in the Inn and wakes up next to a guy who was massaging him and shit with inuendo that he did something to Cloud while he was out of it.
     
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    Didn't he wake up to a nearly naked muscle man slapping the shit out of his face?

    Come to think of it, didn't the gym place in Wall Market have a transsexual as the "lead bro" or something?

    FF7 was one weird game.
     
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  20. Delterius Prestigious Gentleman Arcane

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    there's more C&C in that one cross dressing sequence than in many RPGs
     
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  21. Shaewaroz Arcane Patron

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    I still remember playing through that scene as a 13yo kid and feeling like I had been buttfucked by a dozen muscular gay men. Was scarred for life. I wonder how many innocent minds are going to be traumatized by the remake making them crossdress and get into bed with a serial rapist perv weirdo.
     
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  22. Generic-Giant-Spider Arcane

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    Man, imagine if you could CRAFT your own dress and brew your own perfume by gathering tons of random ingredients. That would be so fucking COOL. If there's one thing I love in my RPGs it's crafting. I think crafting should be in everything you do. Craft weapons, armor, perfume, dresses, C O S M E T I C S, hell why not Materia?

    Craft a tuxedo when Cloud gets married to one of his harem cuties. Maybe do side quests for the best bow tie. This is the FF7 I want to play.
     
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  23. Generic-Giant-Spider Arcane

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    Heh, why play FF7 for the Honey Bee Inn when you can bring the Honey Bee Inn to YOU?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drag_Queen_Story_Hour
     
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    Cloud, Tifa and Aeris would have been raped by don Corneo's men if they were regular girls, but they just beat up the thugs. Probably why the scenes were left in.

    (Tifa and Aeris later threaten to castrate Corneo if he doesn't speak up, but they are relatively subtle about it so that also stayed in). Oh and there's that weird roleplay going on inside one of the rooms if you peek through the keyhole.

    The big buff guys are the friendliest NPCs in the city and just suggesting they would rape anyone is a crime.
     
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    Who VAs Wedge? I feel like I know the voice but I can't place it.
     
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