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Go Makes White Man Brain Hurty

Discussion in 'The Gazebo' started by Andronovo, Jan 12, 2022.

  1. Andronovo Learned

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    I used to play a bit of chess when I was younger. Not that I was any good, but I learned enough about it to be able to follow a game. But what always bugged me about chess is that it's so structured and restrictive. It's always the same board, with the same pieces, and it's just not that open ended, relatively speaking.

    So I've been looking to train my brain to be less retarded, and I was looking into playing some chess. But I realized that the chink game called Go really seems to be superior. It's simultaneously more simple in it's basic rules and many orders of magnitude more complex in its possible outcomes. With chess they've had supercomputers that can compete with the best human players for years, because they can just brute force theirr way through all possible moves. With Go they've only recently developed AI that can top the best humans, and only because of some really impressive strides that have been made in neural network structures.

    For the past few days I've been mucking around trying to learn Go, and I'm gonna be honest it's making me feel like a drooling idiot. My chess experience is basically useless for this game. Does anyone here play Go, and if your do, how the fuck do I get into it? I've been playing some "easy" AI games on my phone, and I legitimately have no idea what's going on, despite spending hours trying to learn. Help? Please?
     
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  2. rusty_shackleford Arcane

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    If this is what makes a game superior, you should just find a game with the largest decision space possible.
     
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  3. Grunker RPG Codex Ghost Patron

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    Welcome to Go. Enjoy your stay.

    I learned the basics from YouTube videos but it took *a long time* losing to human players (losing every single match in fact) before I started winning just a few games against the worst players. I played on online sites.

    I like it more than Chess because while it does reward knowing the largest amount of strategies and finding optimal game paths, the board state quickly becomes too complex to "solve." Hard to describe but games feel more dynamic as a result, like there are multiple "battles" going on and you have to invest in the ones you believe you can win while making the losing ones as costly for your opponent as possible.
     
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  4. Andronovo Learned

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    kek, I want to actually be able to learn to the play the game, so it can't be too crazy complex. The good thing about Go is you can scale it down or up as much as you want. Plus it seems to have the best balance of simplicity at its core and open possibilities of any game I've seen. But I'm certainly no expert on either chess nor Go. I'm sure some chess fanatic would be able to come along and make strong argument for chess being the superior game.
     
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  5. Grunker RPG Codex Ghost Patron

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    Most important thing to l2p is playing on small boards and make them slightly bigger every time you feel like you level up
     
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  6. Andronovo Learned

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    There's a Go club run by an autist at my LGS, but I'll have to wait a couple weeks for the coof to die down to go there. Where do you think is best for total babbies to practice online? I figure I might as well muck around in that realm, though I prefer playing in person with someone who is willing to explain to me precisely how I fucked up.
     
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  7. Grunker RPG Codex Ghost Patron

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    I played on places like https://online-go.com/

    People are generally helpful, but in the beginning I learned way more from YouTube videos, then playing, then back to the videos
     
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  8. Hag Savant

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    I enjoy both go and chess, not very good at either but with several dozen of games under my belt.

    Both are complicated enough to last you a lifetime. Both are challenging and fun, chess in a more down-to-earth way, go in an elegant brain-wrecking way.
    Always felt that in chess, the winner was the one who made the best moves. In go, he is the one who somehow manage to make the less mistakes.
     
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  10. The_Sloth_Sleeps Arcane

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    You fucked up the day you were born.
     
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  11. The_Sloth_Sleeps Arcane

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    Have you tried reading a book about Go?
     
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  13. Andronovo Learned

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    Sloth, what the hell are you doing? You drunk again?
     
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  14. The_Sloth_Sleeps Arcane

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    It's your move.
     
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  15. ERYFKRAD Barbarian Patron

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    I enjoyed Kawabata's Master of Go back in the day.
     
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  17. 0wca Learned

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    Chess is a game for mathematicians. Go is a the game of wise-men.
     
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    It exists: Connway's Game of Life

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    I like chess because the pieces look much cooler.
     
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