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GRAVEN - dark fantasy first person action puzzler from 3D Realms - now available on Early Access

Discussion in 'General Gaming' started by geno, Mar 4, 2020.

  1. Infinitron I post news Patron

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    Oh, this is releasing on Early Access today:



    https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/1371690/view/3041597566503848066

     
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    Game is 10% off on both Epic store and Steam, but on Steam it costs 18.89 EUR and on Epic it's just under 15 EUR.

    Schreiber, pls...
     
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  5. geno Learned

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    Must be something about the regional pricing, for me it's also 19€ in Epic.
     
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  6. Curratum Magister

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    Schreiber is in power-moderator mode, locking topics left and right, it's hilarious.

    Might grab it anyway, I got a further 10% discount for owning Wrath and Ion Fury, so why not... I mean, it has to be EXCEPTIONALLY bad not to be worth that money and I don't think they can fuck it up so badly.
     
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  7. Bad Sector Arcane Patron

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    The comments in there make me think Sweeney is on to something for not having forums in EGL. How hard can it be to understand that:
    • Current EA version: 5% of final game
    • Last EA version: 30% of final game
    • Final version: 100% of final game
    If they want to avoid spoiling people during the EA period so they do not end up playing a buggy game in piecemeal fashion, it makes sense to keep most of the game hidden.

    I do not understand the point of such posts, if someone doesn't want to play an unfinished game why dont they just ignore EA and wait for it to be done? I never bought an EA game, just add them to the pile (wishlist) and wait until they're done, it isn't like there aren't 1894598124 other games out there :-P
     
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  8. randir14 Augur

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    I bought it because I liked the demo so much. Now I'm expecting it to sit in early access for 2+ years like Ion Fury and Wrath.
     
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  9. Curratum Magister

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    Top 3 reviews already negative. People complaining about inconsistent pixel density and detail in the textures. That's what you get when you make "procedural pixel art".

    Always trying to take shortcuts instead of hiring another texture artist. If you're going to make a retro game, make it properly. It's not like it costs 10 bucks either. I can forgive this sort of thing if it's a two-man indie dev (even though Amid Evil is a 2-man indie dev) but when you're 3D Realms, you should keep face.

    Feels like Ion Fury is the only good retro throwback game that came out of Nu3DR. Wrath isn't looking particularly promising so far, even though it's not trash, just not very good either.
     
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  10. Fedora Master Arcane Patron Edgy

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    The idea of EA was for people to help find bugs and balance issues. What's the point of only accessing 5 to 30% of the game then?
     
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    Presumably that 30% isn't 30% of the code but 30% of the levels and assets that make up the story, you do not need to have all levels in a game to see if there are bugs or balance issues in a game. Sure there can be some scripting bugs in the parts you do not get to access but most bugs, combat and balancing issues are apparent in games long before you finish one third of them.

    It isn't like the game will stop being an FPS (or whatever Graven is) at the 30% mark and become a point and click adventure game.
     
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    The thing is, the majority of the content you never see may turn out to be of much lower quality overall compared to the 30% you can see in EA.

    I'm more against dropping surprise big chinks on players than slowly spoiling the whole game for them in EA. I mean, you know what you sign up for...
     
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    Don't buy it. It's shit. I've played the demo. These guys are like those cooks who have all the ingredients but can't cook for shit due to the lack of experience and a sense of taste.

    Just because they're trying to mimic Hexen and other games in the same vein shouldn't give it a free pass.
     
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    The demo was cool up to the moment the combat started, the combat looks like repetitive shit with uninspired encounters.
     
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    I didn't buy it, reading posts on the hub and reviews, it's too dreary even if I WANT TO BELIEVE. The so-called early access launch also only seems to have a small bit of content more than the demo, which is hilarious.
     
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    I take it I should just get Ion Fury instead if this has put me in the mood for a revival piece.
     
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    But the same applies if you buy the game while it is in early access - whatever comes after the moment you buy it can be bad. If you are concerned about such a thing why buy the EA version in the first place?
     
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    Ion Fury also has an expansion just around the corner and it will offer "remix" mode, integrating the new enemies and new gun in the main campaign.

    The game is not perfect, none of the retro revival shooters are, but it's pretty damn fun, all things considered. I played through it twice and have 37 hours on Steam - more than I have in Dusk and Amid Evil, which are the only other "big" retro shooters that are fully released.
     
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  19. Zboj Lamignat Arcane

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    Overload is hands down the best "retro revival shooter". Not like it's some big achievement, but it's the only one of these games that checks all the following three boxes at the same time:
    1. Genuinely good, enjoyable game.
    2. Does actually play like games it's supposed to emulate.
    3. Looks like a professional product: nice graphics, music, atmosphere, runs and controls well. Doesn't look like diarrhea or a mod for an old game.

    Of course, it's a very specific kind of shooter, so if you don't like Descent and Descent-likes then tough luck.
     
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    Overload was nice as well, true. Enjoyed it quite a bit. Difficulty spikes for no reason here and there and some very cheap enemies that force you to learn their spawns / locations and cheese even before you hit the highest difficulties, but it is what it is. Descent had Drillers so...

    I will only disagree on your last point. Even though Overload had "mosern" visuals, I found them lacking in a number of places and just a bit "cheap" and bland. It wasn't a bad-looking game, just the texture work looked a little too sterile and plain in places.
     
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    Cheap enemies? Most of the hitscan in Overload are just very fast projectiles. There is no Driller bs like in Descent. Overload is also more generous with health.
     
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  22. vibehunter Educated

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    Ugh, another one to take off the wishlist I guess.
     
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    https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/1371690/view/3019080202260479063

    https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/1371690/view/3005571306978602077

     
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