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How can I create an M-dash or N-dash?

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  1. Stella Brando Arcane

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    I can create a short hypen (-), but I don't know how to make a longer dash.

    So I can write:

    because I have a hyphen. But, I am unable to write:

    Because I don't have the ability to create the longer line (the fabled M- or N-dash) needed to join the two concepts together in a single sentence.

    Can someone please help me with this vital and pressing issue?
     
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    This is one of the infuriating things about Windows, typography and Windows should not be this retarded.

    To create an n–dash you have to hold down ALT and then use the Numeric keypad (while holding down ALT) and type 0150 and then let go of ALT. Then and only then will the dumbass OS write out an n-dash.

    To create an m–dash you use 0151 instead.

    Why not add these glyphs to the keyboard layout? That's a rhetorical question. There's no reason not to.

    My keyboard has some extra keys that I can program as I wish, so I don't have to suffer through Microsoft's idiocy — but others do. For no reason.
     
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  6. Peachcurl Cipher

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    This sounds like some other OS come with keyboards that have two both types?
     
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    Mac OS has this as standard. Simply Alt+dash is n–dash and Alt+Shift+dash is m–dash.

    Very easy, intuitive and old. It was like that in the 90s already.
     
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    It's way better to keep it off the keyboard so that it doesn't cause confusion. You can just have software convert the hyphen into the right dash depending on where it's placed.
     
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  10. whocares Savant

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    I first wanted to hold my tongue, but this topic is too important to ignore. We as a society don't need three different dashes (n,m, and hyphen). A dash is a dash, and one is enough. Pick one and stick with it, dammit.:argh:

    But then it's no wonder a transexual would ask for this. Taking a simple thing and spawning unnecessary variations of it just to feel special is exactly their thing.
     
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    This is an extremely retarded take. The different dashes have very different typographic meanings and therefore should be distinct. It's akin to substituting all your commas with full stops because 'hurr durr they serve the same purpose'.
     
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    Get a keybinder and set "—" to your preferred button or combination of buttons, eg. Alt+dash.

    Or just copy the "—" into a text file that you name dash.txt and copy-paste the "—" from that file every time you need it.

    The ultimate and final solution would of course be the inclusion of "—" in the Codex text box, so you just need to click there to use it. I'm sure DU and Taluntain are on it as we speak.

    Glad I could help with this extremely pressing issue.
     
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  13. whocares Savant

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    No. What's retarded is how the m dash looks. It's useless punctuation concieved in a bygone age of stupidity, like the idiotic rule that one must put two spaces after a period. It is outdated, not needed, and comparing it to a comma vs period is plain stupid.
     
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    It's the ideal. Something to aspire to. Unreachable by a mere mortal, as it turns out.
     
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    There is no way you're not being sarcastic. Nobody is this stupid.
     
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    ITT I learned that dashes are srs bsns.
     
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  19. Alex Arcane

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    I am always glad to badmouth Microsoft, really. But it seems unfair to blame on them the standard layout for keyboards, at least singularly. As for the alt key method of imputing characters, it is pretty annoying, but I don't really know a better alternative for imputing stuff outside of the keyboard.
     
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    Not really, it's their OS and their decision to make.

    Whatever made you think it wasn't?
     
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  21. Alex Arcane

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    Keyboard layout is still the same if you install a Linux, or even a DOS. I mean the Mac OS has a unique keyboard layout, but that is because it works with its particular hardware.
     
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  22. Atlantico unida e indivisible Patron Vatnik

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    Keyboard layouts are not hardware or OS specific. In fact they're completely arbitrary.

    I am still puzzled over why you would think otherwise. You know there is no actual connection between a key and a glyph?

    It's programmed.

    You can make your own keyboard layouts if you are so inclined, but that's not the point — I'm talking about what is made default by these dumbfucks at Microsoft.
     
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  23. Syl Cipher

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    As much as I dislike smartphones, the fact that a long press on a letter pops up a list of every possible accentuated letter is really convenient.

    I wish something like this exists on computer, not with a long press because it's shit, maybe AltGr + any key.
     
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  24. Atlantico unida e indivisible Patron Vatnik

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    There is an onscreen keyboard on Windows, if you want the smartphone feel and it does have those same features you'd find on a smartphone.
     
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    Microsoft is partly to blame. Keyboard manufacturers have no reason to create keyboards with buttons that Microsoft (and Apple) don't support. No one creates Linux-specific keyboards so we just have to deal with Windows ones. My super key is mapped to my left Windows key and my compose key (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compose_key) is mapped to my right Windows key. If Windows supported the compose key (something dating back to the 80's), it wouldn't need to rely on alt codes.

    Linux:
    compose + n + ~ = ñ
    compose + N + ~ = Ñ

    Windows:
    alt + 0241 = ñ
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