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How Will WOTC New Approach to Races Effect the Future CRPG?

Discussion in 'General RPG Discussion' started by Chippy, Aug 21, 2021.

  1. Stokowski Arcane

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    Did people forget the difference between race and species around the same time they forgot the meaning of "literal", or was it before?
     
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  2. JamesDixon Arcane Patron

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    Nobody is claiming that he did copyright it. Only you did to win an internet argument against the creator of D&D. Did I mention that said creator is dead so your entire argument with him is moot?
     
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  3. Blackshirt Scholar

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    Around the same time Americans decided to make the whole world suffer for their own racism and thus created wokism. I remember when sharters got mad at Indians for selling skin whitening creme, although that had nothing to do with racism whatsoever. Just wait until they find out why geishas paint their faces white.
     
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  4. JarlFrank I like Thief THIS much Patron

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    He's the guy who literally invented D&D so how can he be wrong about what influenced D&D to which degree and what didn't. He fucking wrote it. If he says "nah I wasn't influenced by Tolkien to a significant degree, those other fantasy authors I will now list were more influential on me" then he's probably right.

    Whether you agree with his view on Tolkien or not is of no relevance here. I too think that he's a bit too harsh on LotR, he misunderstands how magic works in Middle Earth, but his views on LotR still influenced D&D and meant that he consciously went for the other tradition of fantasy literature: the low fantasy born in American pulps, rather than the high fantasy born in Tolkien's works. Those are two separate traditions of fantasy literature that developed independently of each other. Not all fantasy springs directly from LotR... in fact, LotR appeared at a time when fantasy literature had already been a thing for decades. It was published in the 50s... the American pulps with writers like R. E. Howard and C. A. Smith had their heyday in the 30s and 40s. And those in turn took inspiration from 19th century adventure novels, from the early fantasy work of Lord Dunsany (who also inspired Tolkien IIRC), and from early modern picaresques.

    The line of development from picaresque -> adventure novel -> sword & sorcery -> D&D is a lot more coherent than the one from LotR -> D&D.
     
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  5. Meredoth Arcane

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    Dragpons, Demons, Devils, Fey,(...) too can reproduce with humans

    This is not truth. Lv 36 is when you can attempt to become a Immortal in Mystara and Karsus was lv 41 once he attempted the Karsus avatar spell. High level characters still very weak compared to Gods.

    Is because many neo marxists from Frankfurt school moved to USA.
     
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  6. JamesDixon Arcane Patron

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    I never played Basic D&D, so I acquiesce to your knowledge. I only played AD&D 1&2E. However, I did paraphrase was Tim Kask said on why they never statted up the gods.
     
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  7. fantadomat Arcane Edgy Wumao

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    It was influenced by tolkin,the fat faggot cuck lies lol. If it have tall blond elfs with long ears,it is influenced by lotkin. That image of elfs have nothing to do with mythologic and folk tales. Also the fat fag cuck shaped the original state of the D&D as he was the "creator" more like plagiarist. But later on it get influenced by players,feed back and interest in profits.

    Generally speaking,it is no surprise that it ends up as tranny sjw corner. Religious people 30 years ago were pretty accurate with their description of those people. Young fucks were just butthurt to head their arguments.
     
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  8. aeternalis Arcane Patron

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    Except D&D elves are manlets.
     
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  9. JarlFrank I like Thief THIS much Patron

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    Not really.

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  10. fantadomat Arcane Edgy Wumao

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    Hmm must have mistaken him for another. My bad.
     
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  11. communard Arcane

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    While your first statement is generally correct the second is just wrong. Tolkien probably based his elves on the ljosalfar in the Edda.
     
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  12. fantadomat Arcane Edgy Wumao

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    Hmm well in way yeah. It was influenced by it,but from what i remember they were never described as tall and pointy ears,they were fair,which could mean a lot. That aside in most folklore elfs are never really good,even when they do benevolent acts they end up fucking up people because they don't get it. In most mythology they are pretty nasty little creatures that do evil shit like eating and raping babies and such. It is pretty interesting how nearly all cultures around the world have a creature that takes your child and changes it with some doppelganger creature that is evil.
     
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  13. Darth Canoli Arcane

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    It'll certainly reduce the diversity in my game library...
    Let's see if the diversity squad buy their shitty games, because i won't.
     
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  14. Desiderius Found your egg, Robinett, you sneaky bastard Patron

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    Because he's human. People forget, embeliish, have motivated reasoning, the whole rigamarole.

    It's not an either/or dumbass. Tolkien was influenced by a lot of that himself. That's where he started then all the Philology coloured it.
     
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  15. Desiderius Found your egg, Robinett, you sneaky bastard Patron

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    And Ancient Rome and all the Doggerland stuff. And you know simple faeries. There were many influences.
     
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  16. fantadomat Arcane Edgy Wumao

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    Well people are getting influenced since the time of greek mythos. Curious from where did they get influenced,but that is another discussion. Generally people read things from the past and get influenced by it. It doesn't have to be a production like like jarl's example,it could be combination of influences.
     
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  17. Zed Duke of Banville Zo Kath Ra Patron

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    Female clerics are a venerable D&D tradition:
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    Gary Gygax wrote most of his AD&D adventure modules for characters with levels of approximately 8 to 12. This started with the trio of Giants modules (G1-G3), which were the very first modules published by TSR and had pre-generated characters ranging from levels 9 to 14(!), followed by the trio of Drow modules (D1-D3) that were intended to be pursued by the same party that had just completed the Giants modules. Similar level ranges were expected for S1 Tomb of Horrors (6 to 14), S3 Expedition to the Barrier Peaks (8 to 12), S4 The Lost Cavern of Tsojcanth (slightly lower at 6 to 10), WG4 The Forgotten Temple of Tharizdun (8 to 10), EX1 Dungeonland (9 to 12), EX2 The Land Beyond the Magic Mirror (9 to 12), and WG5 Mordenkainen's Fantastic Adventure (9 to 12). WG6 Isle of the Ape was substantially higher, with a level range of 14 to 19.

    The two low-level exceptions written by Gygax were B2 The Keep on the Borderlands, written as an introductory adventure for non-advanced D&D, and T1-T4 The Temple of Elemental Evil, written as relatively fast way for a new party (not necessarily new players), to advance to at least 8th level, at which point they would be ready for the kind of adventures preferred by Gygax. Note that Gary did not prefer truly high-level adventures, with characters far in advance of name level; in his view a party with levels 10 to 14 was sufficient to defeat Lolth in her own plane (Q1 Queen of the Demonweb Pits, written by artist David C. Sutherland III as the conclusion to the G and D series). However, he certainly didn't prefer low-level adventures, either.
     
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  18. Meredoth Arcane

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    Yep. But for some people here, D&D should be only lv 1~4 rat slaying aka Dungeons & Kobolds. In video games, the best adventures are high level(MoTB for nwn2, HotU for nwn1) however, in tabletop, the best modules are mid levels.
     
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  19. cherry blossom Arcane

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    I don't remember any of this in the game? What?
     
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  20. Assisted Living Godzilla Cipher

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    It sounds like Gygax wasn't all that into LotR, which is probably why he downplayed it. I remember seeing something about how he wanted it to be Conan the Barbarian stuff, but the others were into LotR way more, so he was kind of begrudgingly forced to make it LotR because that's what the others wanted.
     
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  21. Bara Magister

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    Pretty sure he liked The Hobbit and found LotR boring? Least thats what I remember reading somewhere.
     
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  22. Assisted Living Godzilla Cipher

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    Clearly you did not read the newspaper style website for the game when it was new. This stuff is in the game as well, but it was also in the advertising material for the game before it came out.
     
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  24. Fedora Master Arcane Patron Edgy

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    The cosmology of most DnD settings presupposes and mechanically supports alignment as real tangible natural forces.

    So if Wokezards wants to get rid of "Always Chaotic Evil" races they'd have to kill most of their settings.
     
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  25. Ismaul Thought Criminal #3333 Patron

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    But that won't do. For the woke leftists, the right is evil.

    The only solution really is for all races to become leftists. And then we can finally have fictional world peace.

    The D&D ruleset will then no longer be needed, as combat rules become obsolete. Maybe we'll replace them with the more relevant polyamory rules of engagement and drama conflict resolution.

    Such a bright future for D&D!
     
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