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How Will WOTC New Approach to Races Effect the Future CRPG?

Discussion in 'General RPG Discussion' started by Chippy, Aug 21, 2021.

  1. octavius Prestigious Gentleman Arcane

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    And today we have Sauros commanding Antifa creatures. It's all part of Iluvatar's plan.
     
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  2. Ontopoly Hater of Larian

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    As if dwarfs aren't the best race... It would be an honor if my race or people were based off of the dwarfs
     
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  3. cherry blossom Arcane

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    I remember this being mere in-game speculation from a character's point of view and nothing beyond that, no?
     
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  4. S.torch Savant

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    And what? When the Romans battled Carthage wasn't the affirmation that Carthage were going to enslave Rome true? And when the Ancient Greeks battled Persia? And when the Saxons battled the Vikings?

    That you're going to get straight up enslaved or killed if you get defeated in a war is something that has been a palpable reality through history.

    The evil doesn't need any pity or poor excuses. History is full of people who enjoyed with the suffering of others, and the world still is. These depictions represent the reality of the human condition.

    On the other hand, superherotrash and greymoralism do not, and are faces of the same coin. One lives in the pipedream that all people are the same and deserve forgiviness and the other in one in which actions have no inherent value on their own. Well, I'm sure maybe it represents the sheltered reality on which these pipedreamers live on, but that's about it.
     
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  5. I can't follow this low-IQ exchange of platitudes, but anyone reading LotR, especially in current_year, should understand that it is very consciously and deliberately designed to be a story of a battle against a totalitarian global technocracy and total panopticism. Dune has the same themes, but develops them in a very different manner.

    What makes this impossible to compare to any superhero capeshit is the masterful "subversion of expectations". There is no final showdown between Sauron and Gandalf/Aragorn. They never even meet personally, and the attack of the forces of men on Mordor is a doomed expedition that exists only as a self-sacrificial diversion tactic, to allow the humble and unnoticed true heroes of the story to destroy the evil through a total rejection of the temptations of power, and unyielding perseverance in the face of overwhelming odds.

    Superhero genre normally doesn't work like this, its entire schtick is the inherent specialness of the superhero combined with his/her/xir supposed moral self-righteousness. Star Wars original trilogy borders on this a lot but ultimately redeems itself at the very end, whereas the sequel trilogy fully and unabashedly embraces the ubermensch specialness trope and then crosspollinates it with "goddess" worship. Even crap like Harry Potter has the main character outsmart and kill the main villain (thanks to his multiple levels of inherent specialness) in a flashy duel, while righteously proclaiming judgement on him from his moral high ground before the final blow is struck. With Star Trek I can't even, every episode of every series is just a cast of space commies delivering pompous lectures on moral righteousness to various caricatures of ideologies gene rottenberry happened to dislike.

    And then people wonder why an entire generation of pop culture drones who grew up on this stuff end up turning into narcissistic degenerate self-righteous monsters.
     
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  6. Azarkon Arcane

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    I say this in the nicest way possible, but this is the sort of navel gazing behavior that's led the industry down its current path and gotten us to where we are, today.

    Yes, you and your buddies didn't care. But in presuming that because you and your buddies didn't care, anybody who did can go fuck themselves, is what lost the culture war. Why? Because compare these two statements:

    This is offensive to me.

    Hey, stop being offended.

    Which one is social media going to pick up on? Which is going to generate more out rage? Which is going to get companies' PR departments in trouble?

    The passive response never wins. Society prefers action - or at least the illusion of action - to reaction. So if social justice warriors are on the attack, and your response is "doesn't look like anything to me; stop being so sensitive" then you're going to lose. Every time. Just like the video game industry has lost 99% of battles against cancel culture in the last ten years and is now paying the consequences by having social justice themes dictate their product design.

    Want to know what works? Look at War Horse Studios. Change the battle field. Make it about facts and history, win by being objective, not by insisting on your own subjective reading.

    "Popular fantasy races were never associated with any real world race" isn't objective. There's heaps of papers, books, and Ph. D theses written about how they were drawn from stereotypes of real world races. Creators like Tolkien have left paper trails on the associations. You're never going to convince the public that it's about "facts and history"; and that's why the losses will mount until corporate owners like Wizards of the Coast fold. And make no mistake, they are folding and will continue to fold because the cancel crusade is only getting stronger with the fall of Blizzard.

    The only way you remotely come out ahead in this battle is to change the battle field. Ditch the traditional fantasy races or at least their popular representations. Insist that they're not "races" because they aren't. Build worlds in which the internal logic can't be questioned. Maybe then fantasy CRPGs could actually survive the coming social justice onslaught, instead of becoming more and more like Mass Effect Andromeda.
     
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  7. JamesDixon Arcane Patron

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    The racist that navel gazes at everything that is racist it lecturing me. This is rich. :lol:

    No, what led us to this path is racists like you taught for two generations to be racist and undid all the work of the Civil Rights movement of the 1950s and 1960s. You look for the racism to whine like the baby racist you are. That's on you dude. If you don't like it then join the Klan and get the fuck out my face with your racism.

    Nobody gives a shit about woke racists. You're opinion means jack and shit to normal people. In fact, we're sick and tired of your racist and white savior bullshit. Society don't give a fuck about you boyo. I don't give a damn about you or your feelings. You're a racist retard trying to save the poor minorities from liberal morons like yourself.

    The only way to win this war is to shut you up and block you from participating. You are nothing in the grand scheme of things. If you don't like it then tough. I and the majority don't give a shit. Take your woke bullshit somewhere else and stop whining about what happened in the past because you're a goddamn racist. I hear that white sheets are on sale after Labor Day. You might want to stock up for your next rally Klanner.
     
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  8. JamesDixon Arcane Patron

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    Azarkon By the way, if the world is so racist then why is it that woketards like you have to create hoaxes to justify your racism against everyone? Seriously, like in the past 30 years all of the so-called hate crimes against minorities turned out to be hoaxes. That tells me and others that racism isn't the problem in the majority of the people. It's racists like you that are the problem.
     
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  9. Peachcurl Arbiter

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    Sooner or later a new, non-traditional fantasy race that has any kind of negative traits will be perceived as racist. You can call them 'species' instead. You can call them 'cultures'. Call them what you want, it won't change the outcome.
     
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  10. JamesDixon Arcane Patron

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    Even if said changes were made the woketards will still tilt that windmill and attack themselves.
     
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  11. Meredoth Arcane

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    All manlets(dwarfs) must be killed and reanimated to serve superior races so we don't need to risk more precious undeads and constructs in the mines.
     
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  12. S.torch Savant

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    The only public that matters are the fans of the fantasy genre, both the old and new ones.
     
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  13. JarlFrank I like Thief THIS much Patron

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    What needs to happen is for companies to learn that SJWs don't buy games, books, movies, or anything really.

    They just complain and nag and rant until hobbies they're not even into change to please their whims. Then they'll move on to the next hobby/subculture, abandoning the one that's now molded to their worldview, and the companies that bent are gonna go bankrupt because all the customers are gone.
     
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  14. Puukko Arcane

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    Correction, they do. Just not the ones the complain about. Woke people spend a big chunk of their income on consooming since they don't build families or have any real long term plans. Capeshit, funko pops, Netflix.
     
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  15. Ontopoly Hater of Larian

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    Funko pop Funko pop
     
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  16. Ol' Willy Arcane Zionist Agent

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    Ironic since Tolkien had a semitophile side in his works so Dwarves incorporated some false positive stereotypes about Jews, like ingenuity, for example.
     
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  17. Ol' Willy Arcane Zionist Agent

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    Communists, niggers and Jews walking hand in hand. What could be prettier?

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  18. KeighnMcDeath RPG Codex Boomer

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    Which one's of TLG are hard to find pdfs of?

    Thou must get thine pirate.. arrr I mean archivist game on.

    https://www.drivethrurpg.com/m/product/110274

    https://www.drivethrurpg.com/m/product/110792

    https://www.drivethrurpg.com/m/product/116578

    https://www.drivethrurpg.com/m/product/116619

    https://www.drivethrurpg.com/m/product/116581

    https://www.drivethrurpg.com/m/product/17165

    https://www.drivethrurpg.com/m/product/17167

    https://www.drivethrurpg.com/m/product/17166

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    I fell asleep reading this; several times. The new woke shit is garbage. I don't care for their philosophy if it is that. This is purely an attack to destroy everything else of premillennials. This agenda wants us dead or subdued to slaves or worse. Its bad enough they controlling all parts of the world in various ways. Control the food, the energy, the currency, real estate, infrastructure, and jobs leaves little. Start destroying our fantasy, games, past times, and even personal philosophy or organized religions some choose and it leaves a husk of nothing to live for. They even want people sterile, decrepid, and just plain dead. Before that, controlled to such a fashion we go near insane.

    As this continues people will definitely want death. Replication would be cruel like throwing your kids into a furnace fashioned in the form of a hellish god, or onto bayonets, or to pervy sexual deviants who'll rape them to death before eating them.

    But hey, I'm probably wrong. It'll be cheery fluffy bunnies and sunshind and rainbows.

    Anyway, you all recall the 5e wheelchair adventurer, and other crap. Just check drivethru for gay/homo 5e shit. The beholder thing is but one example.
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    This shit is getting thicker than that unicorn can crap it out.

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    And speaking of unicorns... blizzard D3 and that shit...
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    Heman, ghostbusters, marvel, DC, tv shows, games, etc etc...

    Honestly, how the fuck could anyone buy BG3 knowing how fucking woke they are?
     
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  19. JamesDixon Arcane Patron

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    Thanls bud, I did manage to find copies.... arrrr....

    Yeah it's not looking good is it? They can't take away what was already published, so that is the good thing.
     
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  20. mediocrepoet First disciple of Mediocrites Patron

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    What the hell is this? I've never felt better about not currently having a tabletop group.
     
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  21. KeighnMcDeath RPG Codex Boomer

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    Nightmare fuel if you pursue it.
     
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  22. JamesDixon Arcane Patron

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    If I was in a face to face group and the GM pulled that abomination out I would get all my stuff and leave. I would never return to said group either.

     
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  23. mediocrepoet First disciple of Mediocrites Patron

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    Yeah, it just goes to show that it's important to figure out what everyone in the group is going for before you commit to it. I have no idea where the hell a flaming gay beholder with a tongue ring would even come up, outside of some game parody which would be extremely offensive to the diversity squad.
     
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  24. JamesDixon Arcane Patron

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    mediocrepoet I didn't either and now I need therapy to get that image out of my head. LOL
     
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  25. KeighnMcDeath RPG Codex Boomer

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    I can't imagine the other "villains" inside. I'll take it that is Xanathar. Drizzt is pribably in there and eho the hell knows whag else.
     
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