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I recently replayed Planescape torment

Discussion in 'General RPG Discussion' started by sigard, Jan 13, 2021.

  1. sigard Educated

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    This was my 3 or 4 replay i think since release.
    Last one was around 10 years ago.
    And this what i think now.
    I will start with good things, then so-so ones and finally bad things.

    1.Good:

    - Music.
    Oh my good music was fantastic, and by far main menu theme was best of all.
    I seriously considering using it as my ringtone.

    -Writing. Imo the best written crpg in history. Even bloodlines can't come close. Fallout 1/2 while having decent writing can't compare at all.

    From this piece about former companions (spoiler!):
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    One was unloved, who loves one who does not love
    One who does not see what others see, and sees what they do not
    One who is familiar, bound by duty
    One who is a slave, where the chains are words


    to

    Various morte curses and npc descriptions

    to ( spoiler!)

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    Talk with previous incarnations and finding why Deionarra died


    To very last conversations with companions during endgame ( which i sadly can't find online :( ) which are very super emotional and great. Writing of this game is absolutely fantastic. Period.

    Comparing PST writing with bioware or bethesda it just like kicking dead guy.


    -Story.
    Now this is best story i encountered in this genre by far. Absolutely nothing come close. No "you are a farm boy with heroic destiny", no "you must save the world from ancient evil chosen one" bulshit so prevailing in computer games :(
    No spoilers for story for obvious reasons.

    2.So-so things:

    combat
    Not great, not terrible. I would say serviceable. My party killed 1261 enemies which is about 1/3 of kill count of bg2 ( with its expansion) . My kill count could be a little lower ( maybe less than 1200 ) if i did't kill some civilians and monsters that were neutral to me but i decided to kill them anyway. Oh and i grinded some exp in undersigil so yeah, kill count could be little lower.

    graphics

    Dated. 2d graphics in low resolution = shit. Some locations looks great art-wise :
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    Brothel for Slating Intellectual Lusts
    The Civic Festhall
    Sensorium


    But others are very banal looking like entire sigil,
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    curst and bator
    so like 90% locations looks banal shit boring on top of game having very dated 2d graphics. Remake on modern 3d engine would be glorious. Sadly this will never happen.


    3.Bad things

    Late game and cut content.

    This game just screams : "i was supposed to be released 2 years later but publisher decided otherwise"
    Even sigil for its size does not have enough quest and feels empty, i have a feeling that quite a lot of content was supposed to be there but there was not enough time to implement it into game ( like Lady's Ward in sigil ).
    The entire game post sigil is seriously devoid of content, let alone good content.
    Post sigil maps ale full of trashmobs, with not enough quests ( let alone good quests) and often no quest at all...
    Prime examples are:
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    curst, outlands,bator,carceri
    they just screams cut content at you.



    Cut content that i have a feeling was supposed to be there but game was released to early:

    priest class for TNO , ability to read Grace diary and having conversation with her ending with her receiving upgrades like morte or dakkon.
    Proper romance with annah and grace.
    more info about Deionarra and ability of telling her father why she died and how.
    Factions mentioned and existing in game but unjoinable.
    More quest for all factions.
    And probably WAY MORE that i can't think of right now.


    Way way to much combat and trash mobs, especially post sigil so like last 1/3 game is trash mobs killing simulator basically :(

    TLDR:

    Great game but with some problems. Nowhere near being a cult game that codexers think this game is.
    8/10
     
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  2. Tyranicon A Memory of Eternity Developer

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    Cult status doesn't indicate quality, it indicates popularity.
     
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  3. sigard Educated

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    Oh, and one more bad thing.
    There is no reason at all to be a warior or thief in this game. Mage is only proper class to be.
    All important stats work best with mages and worst with warriors and thiefs so...
     
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  4. Shadenuat Arcane

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    Teasing Annah is good enough reason to be a thiaf.
     
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  5. Jvegi Arcane

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    I've played as a fighter on my first playthrough and it was amazing.

    I think it might not be fair to judge games so harshly for their ability to maintain multiple playthrougs. It's not chess or some moba that has to be balanced for thousands of games. If the initial playthrough provides a good experience then a game is good.
     
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  6. sigard Educated

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    Both warriors and thiefs should have their own quests and locations available only to them. Then they would be not so pointless anymore.
     
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  8. Jvegi Arcane

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    They should, but those quests are not the point, the point if the world and the journey. It's still there, even if you can't unlock memories or whatever.

    But since this thread is about replaying PST I guess it's understandable to point out the flaws you notice the second time around.

    Actually, many crpgs are like that. Including Fallout. They show you a bunch of options, making your initial experience unique, since it's so different from all the others you could've chosen. But later on it turns out there are at best 1 or 2 more viable builds.
     
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  9. Kalin Arcane Zionist Agent

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  10. Sranchammer Arcane

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    I'm Ridin' with Biden I'm Ridin' with Biden
    Good start on your l33t journey to become a true RPG Gamer.

    Now get cracking on Oblivion.
     
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  11. sigard Educated

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    1 more thing:
    It piss me off that planescape the very best fantasy setting in existence is dead (in crpg at least ) while forgotten realms the very worst fantasy setting in existence is alive and kicking :negative:
     
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  12. ekrolo2 Learned

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    It should stay dead, imagine some current year fuckwit trying to "modernize" it for today's audiences. The very thought gives me incurrable ball cancer.
     
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  13. Jedi Master Radek Arcane

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    And for those occasions everyone should have a mobile guillotine in their home prepared.
     
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  14. Trashos Arcane

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    Afaic, PST has the best story in any medium ever. I challenge YOU to tell me (of) a better story.
     
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  15. Tyranicon A Memory of Eternity Developer

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    People are retards. This is why Fortnite made more money in one year than all of Codex's beloved Very Good Games™ combined.

    :negative:
     
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  16. buffalo bill Prophet

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  17. Butter Arcane

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    :hmmm:
     
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  18. Serious_Business Best Poster on the Codex

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    GET OUT OF HERE BEFORE I SEND YOU BACK TO MAMA
     
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  19. Ol' Willy Dumbfuck! Dumbfuck Zionist Agent

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    Yes, remake in Unity. Always dreamed about all good RPGs being remade in Unity. Also, full voice acting. And more cutscenes instead of that "reading" shit for nerds
     
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  20. laclongquan Arcane

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    There seems to be so few mods for PST I think

    Why is that?
     
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  21. Smoker Educated

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    Alonnnnng time ago someone was making a sequel mod.
     
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  22. TemplarGR Dumbfuck! Dumbfuck Bethestard

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    Planescape Torment is an overrated overhyped isometric visual novel that "huuuuurd core" codexers promote as the best thing since sliced bread because they know only them have played it, after all most people aren't into garbage games.
     
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  23. Butter Arcane

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    Literally no one thinks PST is hardcore. Don't be a retarded butthurt faggot just because people here prefer good games to your console trash.
     
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  24. Ihavenoidea Literate

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    It's pretty self - contained. You could add Morte learning more curses for example, but I guess for a complete overhaul Fallout engine is better (dozen mods) and for small stuff... We all know what Beamdog did.
     
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  25. Goldschmidt Learned

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    If you are a storyfag, it is the best game evaaaaaaar!!!!!!!!!!!!
    If you are a combatfag however, you wonder what the fuckin deal is with this game.

    The position of PST on the top 100 codex list is a good indicator of the amount of current storyfags roaming the board.

    One redeeming quality however is that PST was developed for PC first. I'll give it that.
     
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