is AI going to ruin video games?

[JarlFrank]

I'm not a socialist

Going to guess you're an ESL on top of it?

Elaborate.

It's rusty's go-to crutch when he has no more arguments left.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

I'm not a socialist

Going to guess you're an ESL on top of it?

Elaborate.

It's rusty's go-to crutch when he has no more arguments left.

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/champagne_socialist
a non-ESL would have realized I was drawing a comparison between him advocating for beliefs he himself does not practice and wealthy elites that advocate for socialism.

 

[†††]

>I don't like your argument, you must be a communist

Rusty is quintessentially American.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

>I don't like your argument, you must be a communist

Rusty is quintessentially American.

Is there a greater example of hypocrites than communists? I think not.

 

[Strig]

I shit on it to point out your hypocrisy. You act as though it's not a creative outlet to use AI to express yourself, but it IS a creative outlet to pay someone else to express themselves. That's just idiotic, and you are an idiot.

I specifically said that using AI and commissioning artwork are almost the same. I drew a parallel and you interpret it like I'm putting these two things in opposition and I'm the idiot?

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/champagne_socialist
a non-ESL would have realized I was drawing a comparison between him advocating for beliefs he himself does not practice and wealthy elites that advocate for socialism.

I know what a champagne socialist is, you silly git, I've no idea about "ESL". You don't know where the jokes end and my personal beliefs begin, because it was not an ideological debate. And even if it was you mostly ignore what people tell you and go with your headcanon, which is precisely why I like you. I practice simple living and I advocate for simple living. As for my alleged socialism, best I can do on such a short notice:

Spoiler

 

[Lagi]

I cant await to tell software to make me Aethra Remake. And i will only complain about: use this system. Let each city have different races. Let me start as orc and slaughter Stormhaven population. Make it isometric. Make the inventory prettier and with mouse control. Add underground dark elves and dark dwarf city. You know i change my mind, go back to top view. ok... play it by yourself 10000x times and balance each class, and each weapon.

 

[DJOGamer PT]

How do we measure authorship when you start relying on AI to help you design worlds?

How do you measure authorship when you realise almost all works are a mismatch of inspirations from other works and experiences (in the latter, alot of the times not even ones the author "lived" through himself)

Most importantly, what happens to soul, does it matter anymore? Should we simply accept a sense of inferiority against machines and call it a day?

Oh geez...
This is some boomer shit.
Should we also rage against hammers and knifes because our hands can't hammer and cut as well as they do?
AI is just another tool - and right now a particularly a very undeveloped and mythologized one.

Honestly whole discussion surrounding AI's and art reminds of that clip from 'Friends, where Joey learns to use a Thesaurus on his laptop, thinking it will allow him to write something smart and then proceeds to produce an entirely nonsensical text...

 

[DJOGamer PT]

Games with lackluster procedural generation have already proven that no amount of AI algorithms can replace human creativity, because hand-made levels >>>>>> proc gen, EVERY SINGLE TIME, no exceptions.

That depends entirely on the kind of game being made...
Games like Subanutica and NOITA would be severely worse games overall if they didn't have a significant measure of procedural generation

 

[JarlFrank]

Subnautica would be a severely worse game if it didn't have a significant measure of hand-made level design.

 

[Blutwurstritter]

In the long run I hope they combine the best of both worlds. The AI generates lots of content, then a human selects the best bits and fixes the deficiencies. Although I expect more of the same procedural shit to come for a long time, with some titles using AI, Deep learning, machine learning, neural networks, etc., as marketing buzz words, without any real benefit.

 

[Jarmaro]

Subnautica would be a severely worse game if it didn't have a significant measure of hand-made level design.

Subnautica was an accident. Many of the game's merits were the result of lack of money or the devs stumbling into the right idea without proper understanding. The moment they got money and could do what they wanted, they created Subnautica: Below Zero. AI would be as random, but you could choose among the created outputs to choose the working one, instead of hoping a group of random developers manages to create a coherent product in one go.

 

[mkultra]

Immensely great for both creativity and speed.
People could argue the same for 3D software or Photoshop (industry standards for games) if those suddenly appeared out of nowhere. Also there's nothing stopping anyone from not using either 3D, AI or photoshop, if they somehow believe it will make them come out on top of things..

Many games doesn't even use original assets, it's stock things they buy off a store.. when i worked on Kenshi (flora etc) the dude who made it had only used stock 3D assets that he bought.. those are still in afaik. To me it's still one of the more original games and with an original setting.


The argument that it's not "creative" is idiotic. It's like saying 3D isn't creative because its not hand-draw, or that photoshop is uncreative because it also has AI, and cloning, filters etc.

Like for any medium in existence there will be crappy artists and there will be amazing ones.

 

[Nifft Batuff]

Is there a greater example of hypocrites than _champagne_ communists? I think not.

No, there is not.

 

[Nifft Batuff]

Like all technologies, it will be a problem in the long term.

 

[Egosphere]

Games with lackluster procedural generation have already proven that no amount of AI algorithms can replace human creativity, because hand-made levels >>>>>> proc gen, EVERY SINGLE TIME, no exceptions.

Same with art, same with story. A human has to make it for it to have any value.

not sure i agree 100% with this. I've seen Stable Diffusion draw portraits of fantasy characters which you'd see in an rpg portrait selection menu and wouldn't know any better. I think ai wont replace everything, but it should definitely cut costs for smaller teams. Things like high quality textures (possibly even with all the other pbr maps), complementary 2d artwork, and perhaps even voice altering so that one good voice actor can voice a lot of different characters - all this will be for the better imo. Even in the art department, if you have real artists, its much easier for them to start painting on top of a pre existing image (or use it for inspiration) than from scratch. Overall, AI will be good if it used adeptly, and bad if its used to hammer out more content for the sake of it.

 

[Egosphere]

also the ai is learning to mimic other artists, so trying to pretend that people will get an eye for ai art is presumptuous imo. Anyways, most of artstation looks it was ai generated, so..

 

[The_Sloth_Sleeps]

Games with lackluster procedural generation have already proven that no amount of AI algorithms can replace human creativity, because hand-made levels >>>>>> proc gen, EVERY SINGLE TIME, no exceptions.

Same with art, same with story. A human has to make it for it to have any value.

but it should definitely cut costs for smaller teams.

I am a small team of one person hiring the occasional freelancer. How does it help me cut costs? Do not include answers what might be possible in 2225AD.

Things like high quality textures (possibly even with all the other pbr maps),

How?

complementary 2d artwork,

How?

and perhaps even voice altering so that one good voice actor can voice a lot of different characters - all this will be for the better imo.

How?

Overall, AI will be good if it used adeptly, and bad if its used to hammer out more content for the sake of it.

How? So basically if I am already a really good artist then AI is a "tool"? Otherwise its just bad?

 

[mkultra]

also the ai is learning to mimic other artists, so trying to pretend that people will get an eye for ai art is presumptuous imo. Anyways, most of artstation looks it was ai generated, so..

you can mix artists which is a big appeal.

And again, this is not any different than any other medium, there will be tons of shitty artists and art and there will be incredible and totally unique art by people who know what they're doing.

Examples here from people doing their first AI art is as interesting as someone doing the first 3D model, it doesn't say shit.

 

[Egosphere]

I am a small team of one person hiring the occasional freelancer. How does it help me cut costs?

By drawing you stuff for free? You want crpg portrait pack, you can get it. You want concept art for fantasy armour, you can get it (albeit for now a little wonky). 3 years ago ai couldn't draw a human face without having 20 artefacts or blemishes polluting the pic. Today it already picks up on prompts like 'Beksinski' or 'Mucha', and knows the difference.

 

[The_Sloth_Sleeps]

I am a small team of one person hiring the occasional freelancer. How does it help me cut costs?

By drawing you stuff for free? You want crpg portrait pack, you can get it. You want concept art for fantasy armour, you can get it (albeit for now a little wonky). 3 years ago ai couldn't draw a human face without having 20 artefacts or blemishes polluting the pic. Today it already picks up on prompts like 'Beksinski' or 'Mucha', and knows the difference.

I have had crpg portrait generator programs for years that give consistent results. This is the last thing I need.
Why would I need fantasy concept art for armour? I have all the reference material I need already for years.
No. I don't need more fluff.
Where is the supposed help with things that actually cost money to produce?

 

[Fargus]

AI generated voice

 

[rusty_shackleford]

AI generated voice

half of the reason I approve of this is that for some weird reason it makes codexers seethe

 

[Fargus]

AI generated voice

half of the reason I approve of this is that for some weird reason it makes codexers seethe

Not me though. Just yesterday i've been playing Solasta and this example of VA above sounds better than the low grade voice acting for characters i heard there.

I approve of this also because it looks useful to modmakers.

 

[Alienman]

AI generated voice

How does it work? Is it reading it in real-time, or pre-recorded and then put in the game somehow?

 

[Fargus]

AI generated voice

How does it work? Is it reading it in real-time, or pre-recorded and then put in the game somehow?

i haven't used it myself

https://www.nexusmods.com/morrowind/mods/51872 a link to mod
https://play.ht/ultra-realistic-voices/ author claims he used this