Decline is gaming officially over

[Wyatt_Derp]

I just uninstalled Oblivion again the other day. It must be the 126th time, give or take a dozen.

Here I was thinking you were a respectable, perhaps even prestigious poster. Did you not learn the first time? Second? What is wrong with your brain that it decides 126 attempts at Oblivion was a good series of ideas? One hundred and twenty six times your brain did this. I hereby confiscate your monocle. If I were mod I'd ban you for a week so you can self-reflect on the error of your ways.

The first step in the 12 step recovery program is admitting you have a problem.

 

[Morenatsu.]

I can't say I've ever installed anything 126 times.

 

[Corbin Dallas Multipass]

there is no economic system that is not capitalism

I think you are mistaking capitalism for commerce. Capitalism does not exist in all economic systems. Commerce does.

This form of naturalization of capitalism, trying to argue that all forms of human economic activity are capitalism, is real fucking stupid

Part of the problem here is capitalism has multiple definitions. One of them being the very generic thing I'm talking about, the other being a more specific economic system where means of production are privately owned rather than being government owned. Whereas commerce explicitly refers to trade of goods.

So by one of those definitions, anything involving value is capitalism, in the other definition, it's only capitalism if the government doesn't own everything. Obviously I was talking about the first definition, as clearly communist and socialist systems by definition feature the government owning the means of production. Sorry if you feel it's stupid but that's how definitions of words work.

But, it's helpful to make sure when actually trying to discuss something that we agree on which definition we're using.

In practice, even supposedly fully communist governments still feature private ownership, so in reality every economic system that actually is practiced by humans really does involve capitalism, by both definitions. And that's not even getting into the concept of international trade, where governments, individuals, and corporations are all basically the same thing.


Separately from all of that, communism is a terrible system of government based off of premises proven wrong by history before it was even tried.

 

[Lacrymas]

Obviously I was talking about the first definition, as clearly communist and socialist systems by definition feature the government owning the means of production.

The government owning the means of production is state capitalism, like in China, and was conceived only as a step towards communism. In "true" communism, the means of production would be collectively owned by the people working with them, i.e. there won't be a capitalist overlord that gets free money because his great-great-grandfather purchased/created a business.

 

[Corbin Dallas Multipass]

Obviously I was talking about the first definition, as clearly communist and socialist systems by definition feature the government owning the means of production.

The government owning the means of production is state capitalism, like in China, and was conceived only as a step towards communism. In "true" communism, the means of production would be collectively owned by the people working with them, i.e. there won't be a capitalist overlord that gets free money because his great-great-grandfather purchased/created a business.

That gets into the completely theoretical "Real communism has never been tried" end point Marx hypothesized. Which again, makes some fundamentally poor assumptions about actual human behavior. In practice, communism has meant state ownership. Of course, it has to, I mean how else does every chinese citizen owning part of a factory even work?

 

[Zarniwoop]

I just uninstalled Oblivion again the other day. It must be the 126th time, give or take a dozen.

Here I was thinking you were a respectable, perhaps even prestigious poster. Did you not learn the first time? Second? What is wrong with your brain that it decides 126 attempts at Oblivion was a good series of ideas? One hundred and twenty six times your brain did this. I hereby confiscate your monocle. If I were mod I'd ban you for a week so you can self-reflect on the error of your ways.

The first step in the 12 step recovery program is admitting you have a problem.

Welcome to Obliviolics Anonymous. Have you come seeking the light?

 

[Norfleet]

In practice, communism has meant state ownership. Of course, it has to, I mean how else does every chinese citizen owning part of a factory even work?

It doesn't. A thing can't be collectively owned by a nebulous group of people without there being some authority that manages it. On a small scale, you might get away with this question simply never coming up, because your group is simply small and close-knit enough that nobody will ever assert their ownership against another's, but once the group gets large, a conflict of interest will result and some authority must decide who will be overruled. Even in a small group, it will inevitably happen and some method of adjudicating the debate will be resolved: The decision will be pushed off on some authority figure or body: The paterfamilias, the chief, a vote of the council of elders, etc.

It's either that or every worker owns a very specific piece of the factory, that specific brick, that, when you fire him, he takes with him. That's even more absurd, though.

 

[Corbin Dallas Multipass]

In practice, communism has meant state ownership. Of course, it has to, I mean how else does every chinese citizen owning part of a factory even work?

It doesn't. A thing can't be collectively owned by a nebulous group of people without there being some authority that manages it. On a small scale, you might get away with this question simply never coming up, because your group is simply small and close-knit enough that nobody will ever assert their ownership against another's, but once the group gets large, a conflict of interest will result and some authority must decide who will be overruled. Even in a small group, it will inevitably happen and some method of adjudicating the debate will be resolved: The decision will be pushed off on some authority figure or body: The paterfamilias, the chief, a vote of the council of elders, etc.

It's either that or every worker owns a very specific piece of the factory, that specific brick, that, when you fire him, he takes with him. That's even more absurd, though.

It's the same problem you get when you talk to anarchists. Oh great, no government and central authority. So what happens in a conflict? Somehow, all the good anarchists are supposed to gang up on the bad anarchist and make them stop? They'll come up with all these rules, and it's like, oh ok, anarchy only works when there's a central government attached. Makes perfect sense.

 

[Dexter]

90 percent of everything is shit. You just tend not to remember older shit, your memory automatically filters out most of it, except the hilariously bad stuff. Meanwhile you remember every disappointment in gaming this year.

Don't worry. In 20 years you'll be talking about how great things were 20 years ago, and how it all sucks now, in current year 2041.

This is such a retarded take for excusing the state various entertainment industries are in today. Nobody's comparing the stinkers, they're comparing the major popular titles that stand out. In the late 90s you'd have like a dozen groundbreaking games in a year across several genres competing with one another for attention and possibly reinventing or reviving their respective genre. Nowadays you have Remakes/Remasters and sequels for the most part or attempts to cash in on the glory of past franchises. And we're not even talking about things like Microtransactions, DLC and other creative bankruptcy here, or political concerns and "DIVERSITY" that are declines making games worse by themselves. People looked forward to and were hyped about many titles releasing back then, what bigger title is there to look forward to this year? What about last year? Was it the amazing Cyberpunk 2077 shit show?

Also it's not like these products stopped existing, people can go back and play games from the late 90s or watch movies from decades past and see that they're a lot better than the majority of shit released today. Aside from a few technical aspects they still hold up well.

Just go year by year and compare the big releases and major titles from today and 20 years ago and the state of the industry. Try to match them up with their "Current Year" equivalents. Sure, there are some smaller games and rough gems that are worth playing nowadays, but barely anything that really stands out and will be remembered 20-30 years from now, despite there being more releases than ever before.

2021: There's Psychonauts 2, Resident Evil VIIage, New World and Tales of Arise I guess, also Remakes of Tony Hawk 1+2, Mass Effect, Diablo II and Rereleases of various other franchises
2020: Half Life: Alyx, DOOM Eternal, Ghost of Tsushima, a new Microsoft Flight Simulator and stuff like Hades, Cyberpunk 2077 or Last of Us II (lol), Demon's Souls Remake, Final Fantasy VII Remake, Mafia Remake, C&C Remaster, Crysis Remaster, WarCraft III "Remaster", Halo/Persona 4 PC Rereleases
2019: Sekiro, Death Stranding, Devil May Cry 5, Disco Elysium, Gears 5, Control, Anthem and The Outer Worlds (lol), Resident Evil 2 Remake, and a bunch of Remasters and Rereleases like Age of Empires II

2001: GTA 3, Halo, Metal Gear 2, Devil May Cry, ICO, Black & White, Civilization III, Rayman 2, Pikmin, Max Payne, Silent Hill 2, Tribes 2, Return to Castle Wolfenstein, BG2: Throne of Bhaal, Diablo 2: LoD, Serious Sam, Commandos 2, Startopia, Wizardry 8, Aliens Versus Predator 2, Gothic, Arcanum, Stronghold, Empire Earth, Soul Reaver 2, Anachronox
2000: Tony Hawk 2, Baldur's Gate II, Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask, The Sims, The Longest Journey, No One Lives Forever, Deus Ex, Descent 3, Counter Strike, Diablo II, Thief II, Icewind Dale, McGee's Alice, C&C: Red Alert 2, Hitman
1999: Homeworld, System Shock 2, Age of Empires II, Unreal Tournament, Alpha Centauri, Medal of Honor, FreeSpace 2, Planescape: Torment, Soul Reaver, Silent Hill, EverQuest, Asheron's Call

Heck, you can go back even 10 years, and while times had already changed, it wasn't nearly as bad as it is now, there was still plenty of major good shit coming out:
2011: Batman: Arkham City, TES: Skyrim, Portal 2, Minecraft, Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword, Uncharted 3, Rayman Origins, Gears of War 3, Dead Space 2, Deus Ex: Human Revolution, Total War: Shogun 2, Dark Souls, L.A. Noire, Battlefield 3, The Witcher 2, Bastion, Crysis 2, Star Wars: The Old Republic, Saints Row: The Third, Killzone 3, Bulletstorm, Terraria, RAGE, Might & Magic: Heroes VI, Alice: Madness Returns, Warhammer 40k: Space Marine, DC Universe Online, Duke Nukem Forever and you could already make out the trend for Remakes/Remasters with Beyond Good & Evil HD, God of War Collection, Prince of Persia Trilogy, Resident Evil 4 HD etc.
2010: Super Mario Galaxy 2, Mass Effect 2, Red Dead Redemption, StarCraft II: Wings of Liberty, God of War III, Super Street Fighter IV, Bayonetta, Super Meat Boy, Civilization V, BioShock 2, Battlefield: Bad Company 2, Amnesia, Fallout: New Vegas, Just Cause 2, Darksiders, Alan Wake, Metro 2033, Mafia II, Alpha Protocol
2009: Uncharted 2, Street Fighter IV, Batman: Arkham Asylum, Assassin's Creed II, Killzone 2, Dragon Age: Origins, Empire: Total War, Demon's Souls, Left4Dead 2, The Sims 3, Warhammer 40k: Dawn of War II, Borderlands, Halo 3, Brütal Legend, King's Bounty: Armored Princess, Mirror's Edge, Overlord II, League of Legends, Ghostbusters: The Video Game, Risen, Drakensang: The Dark Eye, Wolfenstein, The Saboteur

I'd happily trade any of the recent 20s years against their equivalent 10s or 00s worth of releases, warts and all including less graphical qualities easily.

Someone also brought up titles like Underrail, Grimoire, Divinity: OS 1/2 as to what people will "remember 50 years from now" and aside from these being titles released over an entire decade and not a single year or two (some from when things were already bad, but not anywhere close to today), unless it's about some funny one-note or anecdote I REALLY doubt it.

The simple fact that big publishers are so creatively bankrupt that they have to largely rely on Remasters and Remakes of games originally released during the time periods everyone is still talking about and remembering fondly instead of new Original work to gain people's attention and keep themselves above water should give it away, but somehow this doesn't lead to a light going on in some people's heads. How many Remakes/Remasters of late 70s/early 80s games were there in the late 90s/early 00s?

Also yes, it might well be that 20 years from now things might get even shittier. Maybe half of the characters are Trannies and Furries? And 95% are addictive Mobile Gacha-like games or whatever? Who knows. Just because something can almost always get worse doesn't mean it's not already shit.

 

[Corbin Dallas Multipass]

Old man shakes his fist at clouds.gif

In the late 90s the internet was new, computers were undergoing extremely rapid advancement. Of fucking course there was more innovation in games, there kind of had to be. There was a lot more innovation in NES game development in 1985 than in 1995, that doesn't mean people got bad at making NES games. The 90s was picking a lot of low hanging fruit that had been made low hanging by advancing tech.

I don't know why you can't understand your subjective opinions are subjective. Great, you thought brutal legend was a good game, so you have absolute shit taste, that explains a lot. Also suddenly skyrim is an example of good game development? There will be an identical version of you in 50 years making an identical argument about how back in 2021, games were good, unlike this shit now in 2071. I know this because complaining about how things used to be better is the least original thought ever expressed.

I agree, the social justice shit sucks and is polluting games. The diversity pushes aren't helping with talent. There are a lot of bad developments, but nonetheless, quality entertainment products are still regularly produced. Sure, the vast majority of games are utter shit, but that's always been true. If you're playing a free game on your phone you get what you pay for.

 

[Atlantico]

This is such a retarded take for excusing the state various entertainment industries are in today. Nobody's comparing the stinkers, they're comparing the major popular titles that stand out. In the late 90s you'd have like a dozen groundbreaking games in a year across several genres competing with one another for attention and possibly reinventing or reviving their respective genre. Nowadays you have Remakes/Remasters and sequels for the most part or attempts to cash in on the glory of past franchises. And we're not even talking about things like Microtransactions, DLC and other creative bankruptcy here, or political concerns and "DIVERSITY" that are declines making games worse by themselves. People looked forward to and were hyped about many titles releasing back then, what bigger title is there to look forward to this year? What about last year? Was it the amazing Cyberpunk 2077 shit show?

Also it's not like these products stopped existing, people can go back and play games from the late 90s or watch movies from decades past and see that they're a lot better than the majority of shit released today. Aside from a few technical aspects they still hold up well.

Just go year by year and compare the big releases and major titles from today and 20 years ago and the state of the industry. Try to match them up with their "Current Year" equivalents. Sure, there are some smaller games and rough gems that are worth playing nowadays, but barely anything that really stands out and will be remembered 20-30 years from now, despite there being more releases than ever before.

2021: There's Psychonauts 2, Resident Evil VIIage, New World and Tales of Arise I guess, also Remakes of Tony Hawk 1+2, Mass Effect, Diablo II and Rereleases of various other franchises
2020: Half Life: Alyx, DOOM Eternal, Ghost of Tsushima, a new Microsoft Flight Simulator and stuff like Hades, Cyberpunk 2077 or Last of Us II (lol), Demon's Souls Remake, Final Fantasy VII Remake, Mafia Remake, C&C Remaster, Crysis Remaster, WarCraft III "Remaster", Halo/Persona 4 PC Rereleases
2019: Sekiro, Death Stranding, Devil May Cry 5, Disco Elysium, Gears 5, Control, Anthem and The Outer Worlds (lol), Resident Evil 2 Remake, and a bunch of Remasters and Rereleases like Age of Empires II

2001: GTA 3, Halo, Metal Gear 2, Devil May Cry, ICO, Black & White, Civilization III, Rayman 2, Pikmin, Max Payne, Silent Hill 2, Tribes 2, Return to Castle Wolfenstein, BG2: Throne of Bhaal, Diablo 2: LoD, Serious Sam, Commandos 2, Startopia, Wizardry 8, Aliens Versus Predator 2, Gothic, Arcanum, Stronghold, Empire Earth, Soul Reaver 2, Anachronox
2000: Tony Hawk 2, Baldur's Gate II, Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask, The Sims, The Longest Journey, No One Lives Forever, Deus Ex, Descent 3, Counter Strike, Diablo II, Thief II, Icewind Dale, McGee's Alice, C&C: Red Alert 2, Hitman
1999: Homeworld, System Shock 2, Age of Empires II, Unreal Tournament, Alpha Centauri, Medal of Honor, FreeSpace 2, Planescape: Torment, Soul Reaver, Silent Hill, EverQuest, Asheron's Call

Heck, you can go back even 10 years, and while times had already changed, it wasn't nearly as bad as it is now, there was still plenty of major good shit coming out:
2011: Batman: Arkham City, TES: Skyrim, Portal 2, Minecraft, Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword, Uncharted 3, Rayman Origins, Gears of War 3, Dead Space 2, Deus Ex: Human Revolution, Total War: Shogun 2, Dark Souls, L.A. Noire, Battlefield 3, The Witcher 2, Bastion, Crysis 2, Star Wars: The Old Republic, Saints Row: The Third, Killzone 3, Bulletstorm, Terraria, RAGE, Might & Magic: Heroes VI, Alice: Madness Returns, Warhammer 40k: Space Marine, DC Universe Online, Duke Nukem Forever and you could already make out the trend for Remakes/Remasters with Beyond Good & Evil HD, God of War Collection, Prince of Persia Trilogy, Resident Evil 4 HD etc.
2010: Super Mario Galaxy 2, Mass Effect 2, Red Dead Redemption, StarCraft II: Wings of Liberty, God of War III, Super Street Fighter IV, Bayonetta, Super Meat Boy, Civilization V, BioShock 2, Battlefield: Bad Company 2, Amnesia, Fallout: New Vegas, Just Cause 2, Darksiders, Alan Wake, Metro 2033, Mafia II, Alpha Protocol
2009: Uncharted 2, Street Fighter IV, Batman: Arkham Asylum, Assassin's Creed II, Killzone 2, Dragon Age: Origins, Empire: Total War, Demon's Souls, Left4Dead 2, The Sims 3, Warhammer 40k: Dawn of War II, Borderlands, Halo 3, Brütal Legend, King's Bounty: Armored Princess, Mirror's Edge, Overlord II, League of Legends, Ghostbusters: The Video Game, Risen, Drakensang: The Dark Eye, Wolfenstein, The Saboteur

I'd happily trade any of the recent 20s years against their equivalent 10s or 00s worth of releases, warts and all including less graphical qualities easily.

Someone also brought up titles like Underrail, Grimoire, Divinity: OS 1/2 as to what people will "remember 50 years from now" and aside from these being titles released over an entire decade and not a single year or two (some from when things were already bad, but not anywhere close to today), unless it's about some funny one-note or anecdote I REALLY doubt it.

The simple fact that big publishers are so creatively bankrupt that they have to largely rely on Remasters and Remakes of games originally released during the time periods everyone is still talking about and remembering fondly instead of new Original work to gain people's attention and keep themselves above water should give it away, but somehow this doesn't lead to a light going on in some people's heads. How many Remakes/Remasters of late 70s/early 80s games were there in the late 90s/early 00s?

Also yes, it might well be that 20 years from now things might get even shittier. Maybe half of the characters are Trannies and Furries? And 95% are addictive Mobile Gacha-like games or whatever? Who knows. Just because something can almost always get worse doesn't mean it's not already shit.

That's a wall of text to declare you have terrible taste in games and are autistic to boot.

Oldfag.

 

[Dexter]

That's a wall of text to declare you have terrible taste in games and are autistic to boot.

Oldfag.

You should reply to some more threads quoting me to show everyone that you're definitely not a Butthurt Sperg while you have another one of your episodes/mental breakdowns, Princess.

 

[Atlantico]

You should reply to some more threads quoting me

So you're spamming my profile wall for some other reason than to get my attention?

Autism. Autism never changes.

 

[Dexter]

You should reply to some more threads quoting me

So you're spamming my profile wall for some other reason than to get my attention?

Autism. Autism never changes.

I don't see anything on your Profile, Captain Autismo. But maybe you can entertain us some more, what did I supposedly spam you with, you agitated half-wit Chihuahua?

 

[karoliner]

No is not over yet.

 

[Atlantico]

I don't see anything on your Profile, Captain Autismo.

If you're talking about your autistic sperging on my profile, that just means your turds were deleted.

As they should be. Shit should be cleaned up.

 

[lycanwarrior]

How about we go back to talking about Capitalism and Communism? I want to forget the horrors of Bethesda

Bethesda is communism lol naw just kidding.

Another lovely nugget from Reddit:

https://www.reddit.com/r/pcgaming/c.../?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

"Sadly there is a post like this for every big game dev. Gotta overthrow capitalism to end this cycle. Companies will always make choices to maximize profits. If they didn’t people would not invest in the companies. Therefore triple A games are fucked permanently."

Can we just nuke Reddit??? It's only way to be sure lmao...

 

[Nifft Batuff]

Mmm...
Communism is like open source games.
Capitalism is like games as a service.

 

[Twiglard]

https://www.reddit.com/r/pcgaming/c.../?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

"Sadly there is a post like this for every big game dev. Gotta overthrow capitalism to end this cycle. Companies will always make choices to maximize profits. If they didn’t people would not invest in the companies. Therefore triple A games are fucked permanently."

Sorry neckbeard consoomer, people like you are part of the problem. Worry not, your funko pop collection can be converted back to petroleum.

 

[Smocaine]

the praise for indies in here seems a bit overblown; in my experience the vast majority of them are clones of SNES games with metaphors for gender dysphoria and/or depression slapped on top, and if not then they're mostly roguelite procedural pixelshit 'games' that can be played for 5000 hours, the sort of thing a poorfag enjoys because they can't afford anything else, games like Binding of Isaac or Dead Cells, braindead junk which is somehow allowed to do away with universally agreed upon important game design pillars such as level design and pacing
AA is on its way out and will disappear soon enough, Eurojank turds are not even worth discussing let alone playing unless you're from a Slavic shithole and hate yourself
AAA is a hit or a miss, 99% miss, depends entirely on where you look though. if you let Ubisoft/Activision/EA paint your entire view of the industry then you're hopeless, they've always been shit and always will be so there's nothing to be upset about

I find that overall, the gaming industry as a whole hasn't gotten better, certainly not in terms of creativity, but the individual gems we do get are better than what's come before.
as a soon-to-be 25 year old zoomer with little nostalgia, very few of the late 90 / early 00 games seem to hold up; in fact the only pre-2000 games I truly deeply enjoy are Planescape, Abe's Oddysee + Exoddus, Joust and Yoshi's Island, which is fuck all. it seems like games have been almost entirely bad no matter what the decade is
a lot of them have objectively aged like shit, and I've played so many of the 'classics' that are just not engaging to play. I might be able to appreciate their ideas but the execution is almost always flawed, and I'm not going to pretend Arcanum isn't a broken mess, that Fallout isn't a steaming turd and that Dark Messiah of Might & Magic is anything but bland, generic balloon-sword-fighting tripe just so I seem cool on an RPG forum for incels

on the whole, I've only enjoyed games more as the years have gone on, and some of my all-time favorites are very recent
these for example are within my top 10 of all time:
Bloodborne
RDR2
Demon's Souls
Hollow Knight
Dragon's Dogma

other good modern games:
Ghost Trick
Katana Zero
DKC Tropical Freeze
Shadow Tactics
Fallout: New Vegas
Nuclear Throne
Shovel Knight / Plague of Shadows
Superhot
A Short Hike
Brothers: A Tale of Two Sons
Inside
Guacamelee
Persona 5
Doom 2016
LISA: The Painful
The Last Guardian
Paper Beast
Max Payne 3
Vanquish
Rayman Origins / Legends

also, there are more games I'm looking forward to right now than I have in a long time:
Elden Ring
Dogma 2
Ueda's next game
Silksong
Kenshi 2
Little Devil Inside
Breath of the Wild 2
TES VI
Fable 4
The Last Night
Metroid Prime 4
Shadows of Doubt
Dragon Quest XII
We Kill Monsters
Crimson Desert
Weird West
The Invincible
Zeno Clash 3
Firmament
Made in Abyss game
Sifu
Hogwarts Legacy
Starfield
Bomb Rush Cyberfunk
UFO 50
Environmental Station Alpha 2
Baldur's Gate 3
Caves of Qud 1.0
Valheim 1.0
Exanima 1.0
Stoneshard 1.0

 

[El Presidente]

If you guys think the game industry is in bad shape wait until you see the film industry

And movies are a passive experience that take 1h40 and it's done, to perhaps be rewatched in 20 years, so it's possible to deplete your backlog and then depend on new releases for more. THAT is the real doomsday scenario.

 

[Ash]

as a soon-to-be 25 year old zoomer

Say no more.

Surprisingly your list of worthwhile modern games is pretty good though, couple lame picks aside. But that's a list of great games comparable in quantity and quality you'd get in one, maybe two years in the 90s.

Who am I kidding it's easily one year.

If you guys think the game industry is in bad shape wait until you see the film industry

And movies are a passive experience that take 1h40 and it's done, to perhaps be rewatched in 20 years, so it's possible to deplete your backlog and then depend on new releases for more. THAT is the real doomsday scenario.

Movies have declined hard indeed, but the game industry declined harder.

Movies still have soundtracks (even if gay), still have an average running time of 1hr 40 mins (average game length has declined), they release with the vision largely complete (not released buggy and potentially patched up later, or chopped up into microtrans). Are not trying to be another medium (games are trying to be cinematic, storyfag and/or artsy instead of games at their core). The quality of movies has sharply declined and they're beyond pandering, but they've definitely not declined as hard as games

 

[Rincewind]

Surprisingly your list of worthwhile modern games is pretty good though, couple lame picks aside. But that's a list of great games comparable in quantity and quality you'd get in one, maybe two years in the 90s.

Yes, just go and check out what the glorious 1991-1992 period has to offer, for a start. 1993-1994 will be exponentially better, but I haven't created that thread yet (will do in a few days' time).

 

[Ash]

Yes, just go and check out what the glorious 1991-1992 period has to offer, for a start.

On one or two platforms only. Across five genres only. In the lesser years of the 90s (mid-late 90s > early 90s). That's how great the 90s were.

 

[lycanwarrior]

If you guys think the game industry is in bad shape wait until you see the film industry

And movies are a passive experience that take 1h40 and it's done, to perhaps be rewatched in 20 years, so it's possible to deplete your backlog and then depend on new releases for more. THAT is the real doomsday scenario.

Indeed, the movie industry is in complete and utter shit right now in terms of quality. And with the decline of Marvel's recent output, the future looks even worse.

As bad as the games industry is at times, there's still lots of quality games at least, even in the AAA sphere.