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Decline is gaming officially over

the mole

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Anyone looking for a great recent non-RPG should immediately try Troubleshooter: Abandoned Children, a squad-based tactics game with intricate character customization and progression, excellent encounter design, and engaging mechanics.

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looks pretty good honestly

I was always a fan of fft and other games like it

is it a finished game, how many hours

see I have to ask things like this and do extensive research cause this is the state of gaming

I beat fell seal arbiters mark a few years ago was pretty good
 
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Zed Duke of Banville

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looks pretty good honestly

I was always a fan of fft and other games like it

is it a finished game, how many hours

see I have to ask things like this and do extensive research cause this is the state of gaming

I beat fell seal arbiters mark a few years ago was pretty good
Troubleshooter has been finished, in the sense of playable from beginning to end, for well over a year, although the developer, DandyLion, couldn't resist adding still more game mechanics via updates while also working on a quasi-DLC (White Lion and Black Witch) that isn't quite complete. This is regrettable, IMHO, since I would prefer they were working on the sequel, instead.

Codex thread: https://rpgcodex.net/forums/threads...ildren-isometric-tactical-korean-srpg.130559/
 

Ash

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Pathologic 2, Subnautica, Paper Please, Rain World, Return of the Obra Dinn, Kingdom Come, Factorio, No One Lives Under the Lighthouse, Sunless Skies, Cultist Simulator, Darwood, EYE
Of cource then you have indie mega projects like: Star Sector, Kenshi, CDDA, Dwarf Fortress, yada yada
I am sure there's more out there...

Surprise surprise, mostly all indie and smaller studios. When people shit on gaming here it's rare they're talking about indie. Small studios is the only reason I am still latching on to modern gaming. Larger budget games however have largely gone to absolute shit, when back in the day they produced gem after gem. Nearly every high profile game was good. They ended up growing as a studio in the first place based on the merits of their games. Shitter games usually kept bad studios in their place -- at the bottom. There were some exceptions, but that is exactly what they were: exceptions. Everything was just and orderly. Now it's the opposite. The more braindead and shit (yet pandering) your game the more it sells. It's more because they invest a fuckton into marketing than anything though, but the combination of retard-tier design and shoving it down everyone's throats with multi-million dollar marketing campaigns and you have modern entertainment in a nutshell.

oldies grew up with pure gameplay

You mean like Disco Elysium
Because that sure was a popular game among all the "old good, new bad" oldfags here

Nope, popular among the storyfags. Their opinions don't count ;)



The fuck is this shit? 70s/80s was largely trash. 90s is the golden age.
 
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everything is just dogshit now

Always was, we were just younger and didn't know better.

That's why RPG Codex exists, so once you grow up, you can have a place to get together with other gamers, and discuss why every single game in existence is dogshit and we hate it.

Joking aside, there is actually a lot of truth to that.

My first experience with Fallout was F3. At the time I thought it was the greatest thing ever, because gunz and gore - HELL YEA (I was about 16 at the time). Then I played NV and...FORGOT about F3 immediately after finishing it. Then a friend of mine told me I should also try out the old ones and I played Fallout 1 for the first time. Blew my mind, fucking awesome, dark and gritty. Played F2 afterwards and was almost equally amazed. Since then, my concensus was the same as much of the codexians, F1, 2 and NV are the best. Not because I wanna be trendy, but because it's true.

So yeah, I notice that often when we go back and reevaluate stuff from our childhoods, you can start to distinguish how much of the quality comes from pure nostalgia and how much of it was actually deserved.

The flipside of all of this, is that necessity is the mother of all invention, which means that all of this drought will create a great need for good games again and, if the laws of nature are anything to go by, it should eventually start producing quality games again.

The only question is - when?
 

Nifft Batuff

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We are in a golden age of gaming because now we can emulate all the old good games! We have also so many remasters now, more than ever!




Uh... Wait a moment.
 

lycanwarrior

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For the hardcore RPG scene I'd say quite the opposite, with PF WotR, Encased, Atom RPG Trudograd, Solasta, Gamedec and more to come.
 

lycanwarrior

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For the AAA game market, yeah maybe lol. Especially last year with CyberPunk and Marvel Avengers. And then this year with Outriders, CoD Vanguard, BF 2042, GTA Remastered Triiogy, etc.

Most of the 3rd party AAA companies like ActiBlizz, EA, Take2, Square-Enix (except GotG), have laid just massive smelly turds this year.

Aside from the 1st-party AAA console manufacturers, Ubisoft has seemed to be the only one to release some pretty solid and well-received new releases (Far Cry 6, Riders Republic) this holiday season. Not to mention DLCs for Valhalla, Watch Dogs Legion, Ghost Recon Breakpoint, Immortals, etc.
 

lycanwarrior

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We are in a golden age of gaming because now we can emulate all the old good games! We have also so many remasters now, more than ever!




Uh... Wait a moment.

Lol, yeah the gaming industry seems to taking a page out of the Hollywood's playbook :dealwithit:
 

Zboj Lamignat

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Ah yes, because tech is the only qualifier of creativity and experimentation in videogames
Bottom-of-the-barrel iq strawman, no surprises.
Not gameplay concepts or anything
You know those things are very closely connected, right.


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Right?

Buy yeah, let's look at one of my examples: Myth. We can add Total Annihilation to it - two games released very close to each other that brought huge new quality to tactics/strategy genres through use of physics and destruction, which was not only visual, but also had huge impact on gameplay, making it much more interesting and engaging. At the same time they've gained universal appraisal from both critics and the public, had great gameplay, top notch production values, things like awesome music, no need for tons of dlc/patches. They've stood the test of time, having devoted community that played and developed them for years to come. You should have zero problems with sharing similar examples of modern games that check all these boxes. I'll even retract my initial point about you being a bit of a dumbass if you consider the timeframe and the fact that your examples should obviously fare much better on all those points due to decades of hindsight, experience and incomparable available tech and budgets.
 

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You know it's over when half of RPG codex is the only place* that consistently acknowledges it is over, because everyone else has such low standards and/or ignorance of classic glory (never played enough old games)...the two go hand-in-hand really. If nobody acknowledges the decline, this allows it to go on unchallenged and has for nearly two decades. Old standards are forever lost, hence it is game over man.

*Mind you I don't even go to other gaming sites for discussion anymore. But I doubt things have changed. Tards everywhere.
 
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You know it's over when half of RPG codex is the only place* that consistently acknowledges it is over -- because everyone else has such low standards and/or ignorance of classic glory (never played enough old games)...the two go hand-in-hand really. If nobody acknowledges the decline, this allows it to go on unchallenged and has for nearly two decades. Old standards are forever lost, hence it is game over man.

*Mind you I don't even go to other gaming sites for discussion anymore. But I doubt things have changed. Tards everywhere.

On 19 October 2015, Sheeran received an honorary degree from the University of Suffolk in Ipswich for his "outstanding contribution to music".[262] Sheeran commented: "Suffolk is very much where I call home. Receiving this recognition is a real privilege."[262] He was appointed Member of the Order of the British Empire (MBE) in the 2017 Birthday Honours for "services to music and charity".[263] Sheeran received the award from Prince Charles at Buckingham Palace on 7 December 2017.[264] In 2012, he was named a baron of Sealand.[265]

In addition to having the highest-grossing concert tour and being one of the world's best-selling music artists with more than 150 million records sold, Sheeran has received a number of awards. As of 2019, he has received four Grammy Awards (including Song of the Year in 2016 for "Thinking Out Loud"), five Brit Awards (including British Male Solo Artist in 2015), and six Billboard Music Awards (including Top Artist in 2018).[98][113][151] In 2015 and 2018, he received the Ivor Novello Award for Songwriter of the Year from the British Academy of Songwriters, Composers, and Authors.[99][266]

Although he regards Suffolk as home having moved to the county as a young child, Sheeran was recognised by his county of birth in a 2018 poll when he was ranked the fourth greatest Yorkshireman ever behind Monty Python comedian Michael Palin, and actors Sean Bean and Patrick Stewart.[267]
 

lametta

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Gaming is great, actually. Lots of choices, both past and new. Obviously AAA publishers like EA and Activision have been releasing (mostly online focused) garbage for quite some time now, but they are not the only game in town anymore.... It doesn't help that gpu manufacturers have created a cartel and have been doing price fixing constantly for the last 5 years or so. Plus shortage of new consoles. This means AAA developers don't have incentives to really invest in AAA experiences for the next gen due to high costs and low potential playerbase. But things are going to improve in the next 1-2 years, especially since Intel is releasing dGPUs soon to rape Nshitia and Aayyymmmshit assholes.

Until that happens, and masterpieces like Starfield get released, you can still play Skyrim SE and Fallout 4. Life is good.



Bruh, he is a codex forum member, he knows all about the garbage the codex suggests... Obviously he doesn't like those because he is a normal human being and not an autist living in his mom's basement.

garbage? you keep playing fallout 4(lol) and skyrim the 345th time till starfield comes out while i'll enjoy them hidden gems.
 

Dexter

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Let's be honest, it's been a rather shitty two+ years:
https://www.metacritic.com/browse/games/score/metascore/year/pc/filtered?year_selected=2021
https://www.metacritic.com/browse/games/score/metascore/year/pc/filtered?year_selected=2020

If it wasn't for VR which blew a bit of fresh wind into the industry, Indie games, some good shit still coming out of Japan and a few exceptions like Half Life Alyx and Death Stranding or older games, which make up the brunt of what I've been playing lately I wouldn't know what games to spend time on. If I was forced every year to only play games released that year or give up on gaming I might choose the latter in the current situation.

This isn't helped by all the "Remake" and "Remaster" mania lately of 10-20+ year old games when gaming was in a generally better state like Mass Effect, Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 1/2, Command & Conquer, Mafia, Crysis, Diablo II, Quake, Halo, Grand Theft Auto, WarCraft III, Age of Empires, Commandos, Saints Row, Kingdom of Amalur etc. since the industry is increasingly creatively bankrupt, some of which have been botched or marred by stupid creative or technological decisions, and even if they wanted to make something new their new "diverse" hires would likely equally fuck it up.

Thankfully even some of the big commercial evergreen/golden goose franchises seem to have been somewhat dented, lost their luster lately and are showing signs of drying up due to this. Far Cry 6, Call of Duty: Vanguard and Battlefield 2042 seem to all have had abysmal ratings and sales compared to earlier outings. Maybe there will be some change, but I won't hold my breath or be fabulously optimistic about it.
https://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/far-cry-6
https://metro.co.uk/2021/10/18/far-...on-far-cry-5-games-chart-16-october-15441755/
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/u...n-four-years-on-far-cry-6-worries-11634214278

https://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/call-of-duty-vanguard
https://metro.co.uk/2021/11/15/call-of-duty-vanguard-sales-are-lowest-since-call-of-duty-4-15602780/
https://mp1st.com/news/report-cod-v...lack-ops-cold-war-worst-uk-launch-in-14-years

https://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/battlefield-2042
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1517290/Battlefield_2042/
 
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Don't want to read 7 pages?
  • OP mad that they bought some, probably early access, games they didn't like and should have known better.
  • Responders think games are fine.
  • Other responders agree with OP and also buy early access games and then feel disappointed.
  • We hate games now, that's why we're here.
  • Never try to say you like a game that the forum hates because you might be "objectively wrong."
 

lycanwarrior

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Let's be honest, it's been a rather shitty two+ years:
https://www.metacritic.com/browse/games/score/metascore/year/pc/filtered?year_selected=2021
https://www.metacritic.com/browse/games/score/metascore/year/pc/filtered?year_selected=2020

If it wasn't for VR which blew a bit of fresh wind into the industry, Indie games, some good shit still coming out of Japan and a few exceptions like Half Life Alyx and Death Stranding or older games, which make up the brunt of what I've been playing lately I wouldn't know what games to spend time on. If I was forced every year to only play games released that year or give up on gaming I might choose the latter in the current situation.

This isn't helped by all the "Remake" and "Remaster" mania lately of 10-20+ year old games when gaming was in a generally better state like Mass Effect, Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 1/2, Command & Conquer, Mafia, Crysis, Diablo II, Quake, Halo, Grand Theft Auto, WarCraft III, Age of Empires, Commandos, Saints Row, Kingdom of Amalur etc. since the industry is increasingly creatively bankrupt, some of which have been botched or marred by stupid creative or technological decisions, and even if they wanted to make something new their new "diverse" hires would likely equally fuck it up.

Thankfully even some of the big commercial evergreen/golden goose franchises seem to have been somewhat dented, lost their luster lately and are showing signs of drying up due to this. Far Cry 6, Call of Duty: Vanguard and Battlefield 2042 seem to all have had abysmal ratings and sales compared to earlier outings. Maybe there will be some change, but I won't hold my breath or be fabulously optimistic about it.
https://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/far-cry-6
https://metro.co.uk/2021/10/18/far-...on-far-cry-5-games-chart-16-october-15441755/
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/u...n-four-years-on-far-cry-6-worries-11634214278

https://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/call-of-duty-vanguard
https://metro.co.uk/2021/11/15/call-of-duty-vanguard-sales-are-lowest-since-call-of-duty-4-15602780/
https://mp1st.com/news/report-cod-v...lack-ops-cold-war-worst-uk-launch-in-14-years

https://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/battlefield-2042
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1517290/Battlefield_2042/

Outdated info I'm afraid:

Ubisoft Shares Rise as Far Cry 6 Fares Better Than Expected
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/u...cry-6-fares-better-than-expected-271635498264

Also, Google reviews showing at slightly above average:

https://www.google.com/search?q=far...HAAeACAAVyIAdACkgEBNJgBAKABAQ&sclient=gws-wiz

I have started referencing Google reviews more so than Metacritic since there seems to be a big disconnect between the two not only for FC6 but also other games such as Outer Worlds, etc.
 

grim1234

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this isn't helping the games are just fine argument
If you ignore AAA shit as I do for the most part games are doing fine. One must understand that AAA trash like Call of Duty or AssCreed is not being made for gamers, but for the kind of subhuman that thinks watching a Marvel movie is two hours well spent. Might as well view them as a completely separate market.

There's a lot of quality titles being made by passionate devs catering to a verity of niche audiences, and we're seeing a revival of genres and ideas that were long thought dead. Lots of great games released in the past 10 years would never have been created in the 90s or 00s either.

I'd even argue that while games nowadays tend to be formulaic, at the very least many of them achieve average playability, which was not always the case with more experimental games from decades past. What we see as a trend towards the derivative is merely natural selection at work - developers don't feel the need to reinvent the wheel because someone already came up with the most optimal solution to a given problem.

I'm not going to pretend it's a new golden age, but the industry is certainly much better than it was around the XBox 360/PS3 era.

Also, and this must be said, people simply tend to forget just how much shit was being released back in the 90s and early 00s, only remembering the good games that have stood the test of time.

Just how many Doom clones came out during the 90s that nobody talks about nowadays?

Also Dead Space was done better and earlier with the System Shock games
I disagree. While Dead Space takes a lot of inspiration from System Shock 2, it's a very different game that aims to do different things. Also, even if the two were to be compared directly, no one can deny that DS1 does a better job in some aspects than SS2.

Finally, someone with a brain.
 

Ash

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He's right though. While Dead Space is a solid action horror and anvi probably hasn't given it a proper chance because it is a console game:

1. It is quite derivative; not very innovative while SS2 was very. Take Resident Evil 4 gameplay mix it with System Shock 2 themes and secondary concepts and that's Dead Space. Obviously it has some unique aspects of its own, but not many.
2. It does LESS than SS2 game design-wise
3. Most of its superior aspects are due to circumstance: graphics because newer tech allows that. Combat because its more minimalist focus allows that.
4. SS2 is the superior game overall.

With the rate that games were evolving in the 90s, thinking about how games must be in the late 00's blew my fucking mind at the possibilities. Instead they did the opposite and got dumber and simpler. While dead space was one of very few good games from the late 00s it itself still follows that trend of being dumber and less ambitious than a game from 10 years ago. Not that all games have to match or exceed SS2. Simpler, more focused design is valid design, but nonetheless my argument still stands.
 
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No, gaming isn't over, officially or otherwise. I can actually watch people play games RIGHT NOW if I were so inclined.
 

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