Is it trendy in RPGCodex to dislike Bethesda, Bioware, etc?

[GarfunkeL]

Yes, because the sheeple are blind, as always or they are ignorant and don't know better is possible.

Only the glorious PC-master race specimens of RPG Codex know better. I thought that was obvious.

Seriously, there's a difference between your average gamer who flips CoD on, finishes the campaign in 6 hours and then plays multiplayer for few weeks - that's not any different from being able to enjoy a no-brainer action flick or dancing to some fancy whore's screeching in a nightclub. The problem arises when some people start to praise that stuff as "the best thing ever". No-one sane seriously claims that Michael Bay makes good films or that Brittney Spear is a great artist or that their products will be remembered for decades or even centuries but for some reason it's different with games, where frothing fanboys will claim that the latest over-hyped AAA-title is the best thing since sliced bread even if they immediately forget it when the next big thing arrives on the scene. And the ridiculous gaming "press" only escalates this issue.

 

[7hm]

the ridiculous gaming "press" only escalates this issue.

That is by far the biggest problem.

With books, movies, music, you have actual critics and actual journalistic integrity (for some). Game "journalists" are as bad as sports "journalists" for that.

 

[sgc_meltdown]

Game "journalists" are as bad as sports "journalists" for that.

Are there sports journalists like Kieron Gillen?

 

[Mastermind]

Fallout is a classic tactical, isometric, turn-based RPG.

Fallout is only "tactical" for retarded faggots who just underwent a loboto


oh...

 

[Crispy]

If not your post I'd be sure it was Crispy

Ouch. That's fucking low, man.

You still butthurt over what went down @ RPGWatch or something?

 

[Gord]

Sigh. I'll rise to the potential trolling.
Its because they are both popular and flawed. Yes there are worse games out there, but few as successful.

I'll admit that they are indeed flawed. Oblivion more so than Fallout 3, which is at least a small source of hope I have for Skyrim.

But anyway, by any meaningful (outside the Codex) definition, those are very good games indeed.
Simply because they sold well and made their companies a shitload of money.
And this is the only valid definition for a good game: sales and profit.

 

[MicoSelva]

games that just did not do it for me:

Mass Effect 1 and 2
Dragon Age
Neverwinter Nights 1 and 2

late last night I finally sat down and started to play Dragon Age.

Inconsistent trolling. 0/10.

 

[Demnogonis Saastuttaja]

And this is the only valid definition for a good game: sales and profit.

On the contrary, these have nothing to do with playing the game.

These crap games the codex hates are mostly crap because they are boring, as in fail at entertaining you, shallow, as in fail at atmosphere and any sort of emotional or intellectual involvement and often times simply fail at being games, not just good ones.

Oblivion is mindless and boring and there is nothing more to it. Why play a game like that? Dragon Age is endless grindfest without the hooks of successful grindfest games, such as entertaining combat or open-world freedom. And so on.

 

[Angthoron]

And this is the only valid definition for a good game: sales and profit.

On the contrary, these have nothing to do with playing the game.

These crap games the codex hates are mostly crap because they are boring, as in fail at entertaining you, shallow, as in fail at atmosphere and any sort of emotional or intellectual involvement and often times simply fail at being games, not just good ones.

Oblivion is mindless and boring and there is nothing more to it. Why play a game like that? Dragon Age is endless grindfest without the hooks of successful grindfest games, such as entertaining combat or open-world freedom. And so on.

It's the capitalist definition of a good product though.

 

[MetalCraze]

It's not trendy, it's common sense.

That's why Codex is the first in line to buy their games and create 100 threads about how the game that was shit one week ago is in fact the best game ever and all other games pale in comparison.

 

[Tycn]

You should show some gratitude for the alleged mass flip-flopping which has allowed you to carve yourself a niche where you get to repeat the same uninformed statement 14000 times

 

[Serus]

Sigh. I'll rise to the potential trolling.
Its because they are both popular and flawed. Yes there are worse games out there, but few as successful.

I'll admit that they are indeed flawed. Oblivion more so than Fallout 3, which is at least a small source of hope I have for Skyrim.

But anyway, by any meaningful (outside the Codex) definition, those are very good games indeed.
Simply because they sold well and made their companies a shitload of money.
And this is the only valid definition for a good game: sales and profit.

I see. You are one of those persons who will eat shit if enough people around you tell you that shit tastes good.
Amount of sales by itself proves nothing because quality of the product is not the only aspect that influences sales. Usually it is not even the most important one.

Being trolled by... it really doesn't matter at this point.

 

[Data4]

And this is the only valid definition for a good game: sales and profit.

On the contrary, these have nothing to do with playing the game.

These crap games the codex hates are mostly crap because they are boring, as in fail at entertaining you, shallow, as in fail at atmosphere and any sort of emotional or intellectual involvement and often times simply fail at being games, not just good ones.

Oblivion is mindless and boring and there is nothing more to it. Why play a game like that? Dragon Age is endless grindfest without the hooks of successful grindfest games, such as entertaining combat or open-world freedom. And so on.

It's the capitalist definition of a good product though.

Aye, there's the rub. The fact is that the days of developers making games they want to play (indies aside) have given way to nothing but profit margins. The games industry has turned into a cafeteria of sorts. Rather than focusing on well crafted gourmet meals to meet discerning tastes, they focus on bland shit that can be shovelled out by the truckload.

Generally speaking, I like capitalism, but in this case, the quality of the end product is proportionate to the quality of the buying public. Since there are exponentially more people into gaming than there were when the classics came out, there are exponentially more stupid people. Stupid people with money.

Get rid of stupid people and games might get better. In other words, we're screwed.

 

[Gord]

Generally speaking, I like capitalism, but in this case, the quality of the end product is proportionate to the quality of the buying public. Since there are exponentially more people into gaming than there were when the classics came out, there are exponentially more stupid people. Stupid people with money.

Get rid of stupid people and games might get better. In other words, we're screwed.

And now you are starting to understand the problems with capitalism, comrade...

 

[Jaesun]

Dragon Age is endless grindfest without the hooks of successful grindfest games, such as entertaining combat or open-world freedom. And so on.

But it has gay elf sex and romances.

 

[DwarvenFood]

I am very happy that the Codex still has enjoyable threads, despite Cleve's departure.

Also: sup drog.

 

[Mastermind]

Generally speaking, I like capitalism, but in this case, the quality of the end product is proportionate to the quality of the buying public. Since there are exponentially more people into gaming than there were when the classics came out, there are exponentially more stupid people. Stupid people with money.

Get rid of stupid people and games might get better. In other words, we're screwed.

And now you are starting to understand the problems with capitalism, comrade...

With capitalism there is the odd chance that a handful of true bros will get together and make something decent. With communism all you'll get is stupid shit. Communists are not known for spending money effectively.

 

[Gord]

With communism all you'll get is stupid shit. Communists are not known for spending money effectively.

Yes, but at least the planned economy will ensure that a fixed amount of all different kind of shit will be produced each year, demand or not.
Combined with barely any innovation that would mean you would still be playing mostly games like 15 years ago. Isn't that a codexians wet dream?

 

[JarlFrank]

We need some national socialism.

Then only good games for Aryans would be produced while the popamole and awkward romance sims will be forbidden as Jewish things made to corrput the Aryan spirit.

Sure, there might be some restrictions in our games (only one playable race, predictable consequences to choices (if you pick the commie choice, you will get the bad ending) etc) but at least we'd get good stuff that is fit to be played by the glorious PC-gaming Master Race. Also, lots of sales would be guaranteed because if you didn't buy True Aryan Role Playing Game but pre-ordered Dragon Age, chances are the Gestapo will come and check if you're a consoletard.

 

[Freelance Henchman]

 

[Mastermind]

With communism all you'll get is stupid shit. Communists are not known for spending money effectively.

Yes, but at least the planned economy will ensure that a fixed amount of all different kind of shit will be produced each year, demand or not.

More likely it will make sure no games gets produced because the population is already starving to death. Gaider and Laidlaw and the like would lose their jobs and be sent to backbreaking work in the field. Hey, I think I found something good about communism.

 

[Shannow]

Communists are not known for spending money effectively.

Exactly! Just look at China. Economically it's slithering in the dirt while the US, the motherland of capitalism, is doing better every year. Oh wait, we're not in GD. Carry on then.

And fake drog alt, stop quoting mastermind. It ruins my ignore.
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Thinking about it, there's a solution to that problem.

 

[Mastermind]

Exactly! Just look at China. Economically it's slithering in the dirt while the US, the motherland of capitalism, is doing better every year. Oh wait, we're not in GD. Carry on then.

China's growth is due to its increased market liberalization. The US's slowdown in growth is due to its increased government stranglehold by liberal dipshits like you. Even so, China's gdp per capita is 6-7 times smaller than the US's. As far as economies go, for its size, china's is still shit. And so are you.

 

[Gord]

The US's slowdown in growth is due to its increased government stranglehold by liberal dipshits like you..

Nobel price in economics incoming!

 

[Mastermind]

The US's slowdown in growth is due to its increased government stranglehold by liberal dipshits like you..