rusty_shackleford
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I don't understand why Beamdog is getting hatred.
I don't understand why Beamdog is getting hatred.
When they came out with their pointless enhanced editions, they actually took the original versions off the market. Now I think you get the original game with the enhanced edition, but it was a shitty move nonetheless.I don't understand why Beamdog is getting hatred. They polished old classics and re-published them to work on newer systems. Ideally they shouldn't be receiving either love or hate. They should be tasteless, neutral. You already owned the game and you could mod it to get the same effects? Then fine, do that and ignore Beamdog's offerings, why the fuck you have to make a big fuss about it you fucking sperg?
What's nostalgia baiting about Larian games? D:OS 1 and 2 have nothing in common with the old IE games and more than half the people who love the D:OS series have never even played Baldur's Gate. The media started pushing the "Baldur's Gate spiritual successor" narrative and Larian itself was surprised about that, but still went along with it because why wouldn't they?As for Larian, i don't think anyone hates them. They are not important enough to hate. I mean, they make garbage nostalgia-bait for 40 year old faggots with no time to play games but still wanting the warm fuzzy feeling of getting a nice "old school" game with cool cartoony screenshots, so they can fire it up once in a while, mess around the starting area a bit, then close it when they get reminded they have work to do. Yes they will butcher Baldur's Gate 3, but what do you expect when you shill for both DOS games and give them GOTY even when you haven't even played the fucking trash? Game gets successful and suddenly those belgian faggots are considered quality crpg game designers and get assigned a historic franchise to corrupt. Has happened again and again. That is why shilling is wrong, and should be exposed every single time. Shilling leads to bad products and shilling lead to the video game industry of 2020. Enjoy.
EEs provide enhancements that aren't initially obvious and can't be fixed with mods such as superior pathfinding -- the pathfinding in the originals is atrocious. They're also much easier to create mods for.When they came out with their pointless enhanced editions,
If you can't see why people would be upset about no longer being able to obtain the original version of the game, there's not much I can say to convince you. The enhanced edition had a worse UI, bad content that didn't fit in with the original game and wasn't compatible with preexisting mods. I still play the enhanced edition because the UI is still serviceable and I really don't care about mods (especially compared to the quality-of-life improvements that the EE introduces), but I can also empathize with people who prefer the original game. You know, like a non-autistic person would do.1) Beamdog didn't "remove the classics". Your physical copies are right there. You can use them right now. They just stopped selling the old games to new users, and that is understandable, no reason to keep selling legacy code to modern day users. Everyone who had already bought the game previously had the classic version, and he can still get cd copies online if he wishes....
I will try to get tested if you promise me you will try to improve your reading capabilities. Many vocal Baldur's Gate (and other isometric RPGs) fans despise Larian and the D:OS series. Many D:OS fans spend their time here on the Codex saying that the BG series is trash. A lot of D:OS fans have never even played Baldur's Gate (or other old isometric games): you can find innumerable "I loved D:OS, should I try BG?" threads everywhere on the internet. One of the first questions at the BG3 gameplay reveal literally ended with "wow, I loved D:OS, now I'm going to try the BG series". How can a game rely on BG nostalgia if people who play it have never touched a BG game?2) NJClaw, don't take it personal, but you are probably a sperg. Have you been tested on the spectrum? Nostalgia is not about having 2 exact games. DOS is feeding the nostalgia of isometric RPG experiences. Like the rest of the kickstarter era indie trash. It is the "let's control our avatars with a mouse like an RTS" feel. It doesn't have to be DnD or realtime with pause to be nostalgia-bait. Only spergs focus so much on the minutie of gaming. Nostalgia does not come from the ruleset, nostalgia is about the feelings you had as a brainless child while playing 90s games, and you want to re-experience that feeling.
Beamdog is hated nearly everywhere well except in their own weird forum.
Larian is extremely popular the only ones who hate them now are the BG fanboys.
Say whatever you want about critical roll but it one of the reasons games like Solasta or even BG3 exist today. They helped to make DND more popular than it ever was.
Many vocal Baldur's Gate (and other isometric RPGs) fans despise Larian and the D:OS series. Many D:OS fans spend their time here on the Codex saying that the BG series is trash.
Don't fucking trash-talk my girlfriend OntopolyMany vocal Baldur's Gate (and other isometric RPGs) fans despise Larian and the D:OS series. Many D:OS fans spend their time here on the Codex saying that the BG series is trash.
Don't make the mistake of assuming that the group of 5-10 addicts who live in the BG3 thread reflect any sort of consensus
Ashley Johnson
Don't fucking trash-talk my girlfriend OntopolyMany vocal Baldur's Gate (and other isometric RPGs) fans despise Larian and the D:OS series. Many D:OS fans spend their time here on the Codex saying that the BG series is trash.
Don't make the mistake of assuming that the group of 5-10 addicts who live in the BG3 thread reflect any sort of consensus
Whenever a D:OS thread pops up in the Facebook videogames groups I frequent, usually the answers are along the lines of:
- "D:OS is a the best game in the world, why would you play BG when you can play D:OS 2 for the ninth time?" or
- "D:OS sucks it's not a real rpg" or
- "don't try to compare the shitty D:OS to the masterpiece that's BG" or
- "what even is a BG?".
Of course there's the occasional "yeah, D:OS is a fun game, I loved the chance to reignite my passion for isometric RPGs", but that's a rare exception. We love BG, but I don't think it stands a chance against D:OS popularity. It feels like right now D:OS is far more popular than BG has ever been. "Baldur's Gate" yields around 5M results on Google, while "Divinity: Original Sin" around 20M.
Remember, back in BG 2s glory days the internet and the rpg market were much smaller. From what I have gathered BG2 opened top 2 selling game and was in the top 10 for months, I didnt find corresponding data for DOS:2 but I assume its similar. I speculate that they have about the same amount of impact at launch, maybe BG2 had a tiny bit more, but BG2 is a 20 years old game by now. Its impact has obviously waned to the point where D:OS is the much bigger IP.
Also why the hell are so many people trying to make this an two sides war? Are we children bickering if Playstation or Xbox is better? (insert Sega vs Nintendo here if old )
I am just happy a new big budget DnD game is getting made at all. Also Larian isnt the worst choice, apart from their cringe writing I consider them decent. As S0rcererV1ct0r said, Bioware or Obsidian would have been worse.
From my IRL experience most Larian fans have never played Baldurs Gate and dont plan to, but are neutral towards it and are willing to give the setting in BG3 a chance.
I really wasn't interested in making this a two sides war. I was just going against the idea that Larian main intention, while making D:OS, was to use the nostalgia for BG to drive sales. As you said, most Larian fans have never played Baldur's Gate and don't plan to.Don't fucking trash-talk my girlfriend OntopolyMany vocal Baldur's Gate (and other isometric RPGs) fans despise Larian and the D:OS series. Many D:OS fans spend their time here on the Codex saying that the BG series is trash.
Don't make the mistake of assuming that the group of 5-10 addicts who live in the BG3 thread reflect any sort of consensus
Whenever a D:OS thread pops up in the Facebook videogames groups I frequent, usually the answers are along the lines of:
- "D:OS is a the best game in the world, why would you play BG when you can play D:OS 2 for the ninth time?" or
- "D:OS sucks it's not a real rpg" or
- "don't try to compare the shitty D:OS to the masterpiece that's BG" or
- "what even is a BG?".
Of course there's the occasional "yeah, D:OS is a fun game, I loved the chance to reignite my passion for isometric RPGs", but that's a rare exception. We love BG, but I don't think it stands a chance against D:OS popularity. It feels like right now D:OS is far more popular than BG has ever been. "Baldur's Gate" yields around 5M results on Google, while "Divinity: Original Sin" around 20M.
Remember, back in BG 2s glory days the internet and the rpg market were much smaller. From what I have gathered BG2 opened top 2 selling game and was in the top 10 for months, I didnt find corresponding data for DOS:2 but I assume its similar. I speculate that they have about the same amount of impact at launch, maybe BG2 had a tiny bit more, but BG2 is a 20 years old game by now. Its impact has obviously waned to the point where D:OS is the much bigger IP.
Also why the hell are so many people trying to make this an two sides war? Are we children bickering if Playstation or Xbox is better? (insert Sega vs Nintendo here if old )
I am just happy a new big budget DnD game is getting made at all. Also Larian isnt the worst choice, apart from their cringe writing I consider them decent. As S0rcererV1ct0r said, Bioware or Obsidian would have been worse.
From my IRL experience most Larian fans have never played Baldurs Gate and dont plan to, but are neutral towards it and are willing to give the setting in BG3 a chance.
I really wasn't interested in making this a two sides war. I was just going against the idea that Larian main intention, while making D:OS, was to use the nostalgia for BG to drive sales. As you said, most Larian fans have never played Baldur's Gate and don't plan to.
The sign of a company that has sold out and has lost all passion.Considering how badly D&D games made in recent memory have sold, it's WotC using Larian's reputation for sales if anything.
I don't understand why Beamdog is getting hatred.
From that interview:I don't understand why Beamdog is getting hatred.
Here, enjoy Beamdog's interview where they explain how BG's characters are sexist, but they will "improve" them now that they got their hands on them:
http://archive.is/Lwu6p
Surely you understand how the BG fanbase did not think highly of these little pieces of shit. As I said, Dunning-Kruger effect.
Instead, the answer was NEVER“The Baldur’s Gate III thing, when are we going to do that? I think the answer is when the right people and the right partners line up, something big will happen.”
“If there was something for the original Baldur’s Gate that just doesn’t mesh for modern day gamers like the sexism, [we tried to address that],” said writer Amber Scott. “In the original there’s a lot of jokes at women’s expense. Or if not a lot, there’s a couple, like Safana was just a sex object in BG 1, and Jaheira was the nagging wife and that was played for comedy. We were able to say like, ‘No, that’s not really the kind of story we want to make.’ In Siege of Dragonspear, Safana gets her own little storyline, she got a way better personality upgrade. If people don’t like that, then too bad.”
Going forward I think the nu-XCOM series should share this status (even if it is not a super mega awesome game or an RPG I dunno). In 2020 I see the influence both games have had on the market.Remember, back in BG 2s glory days the internet and the rpg market were much smaller. From what I have gathered BG2 opened top 2 selling game and was in the top 10 for months, I didnt find corresponding data for DOS:2 but I assume its similar. I speculate that they have about the same amount of impact at launch, maybe BG2 had a tiny bit more, but BG2 is a 20 years old game by now. Its impact has obviously waned to the point where D:OS is the much bigger IP.
So, you have Jaheira and Khalid in front of you. Jaheira is a brave strong warrior and Khalid a babbling buffoon that runs in fear every two minutes and gets continuously called weak and stupid. What's the problem you highlight? That Jaheira is the nagging wife. Nice.“If there was something for the original Baldur’s Gate that just doesn’t mesh for modern day gamers like the sexism, [we tried to address that],” said writer Amber Scott. “In the original there’s a lot of jokes at women’s expense. Or if not a lot, there’s a couple, like Safana was just a sex object in BG 1, and Jaheira was the nagging wife and that was played for comedy. We were able to say like, ‘No, that’s not really the kind of story we want to make.’ In Siege of Dragonspear, Safana gets her own little storyline, she got a way better personality upgrade. If people don’t like that, then too bad.”
If you wanted to play Baldur's Gate as it was released in 1998, then too bad.