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Community JE Sawyer Speaks Out

Whipporowill

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Not that it changes anything. Good sales for FOBOS would just mean FOBOS2, so why would I care anyway? Not that I wish people to loose their jobs, I'm just not interested in supporting garbage.

Sawyer said:
Actually, I'm pretty sure that if Brotherhood of Steel had sold much better than it had, Interplay might have had enough money to continue paying the Black Isle employees who were working on Van Buren. While Van Buren certainly wouldn't have appeased all Fallout fans (because, in reality, I do not believe that any sequel to any game is really capable of appeasing all of the fans), it was a hell of a lot closer to F1 and F2 than BoS.

He should've used had been, previously, or used to instead of were - if he's implicating that those things didn't occur at the same time. And why didn't he just say BIS employees? My grasp of english is pretty decent, but I'm not a native, damn it.

I'm getting your point though Vollie, all expect the idiot part. Moron.
 

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Volourn said:
"Oh and Josh, claiming FO:BOS sales could've saved Van Buren."

Don't be an idiot. Though; who knows what he means; but he never said that. he said, it could have saved VB devs. Idiot.

I think it's already been well established that Fallout Enforcer is one of the big reasons Van Buren got murdered down. If Josh would like to say that it could have saved Van Buren, he has every right to say it.. And we have every right to call bullshit about that.. And make fun of his clothing.
 

Volourn

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"If Josh would like to say that it could have saved Van Buren"

Of course, though he *may* have emant that; it doesn't neccessary follow that he did. Afterall, he specifically states that it may have saved VB DEVS; not the VB..
 

Txiasaeia

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Rosh said:
Why are you attacking me?

I wasn't attacking you, I was just attacking your methods and what you posted. Big difference. I also noticed that you absolutely went to the defensive and didn't bother reading what I wrote, rendering what you replied with not only irrelevant, it was McDonald's™.

Seriously, can you answer this one? What have I said to make you so upset?

I'm really not upset, I was merely making an observation that you're a hypocrite in your post. Those who know the setting and how to express ourselves are tiring of having to deal with idiotic one-liners who play Sesame Street just far enough so they can compare two titles...and then just stop. It's really annoying and detracts from the conversation as we try to get them to explain their point, but you never even bothered to.

:D

*I* thought that what I said is true - there's a large noise to signal ratio, especially when it comes to anything Fallout-related - just look at this thread, for example.

Just like your original posts before people had to put a foot up your ass, so to speak. Another annoyance of ours is having to deal with dreck without any basis behind it, did you even stop to think about that before you blathered? Nope. In griping about the signal to noise ratio, you forgot about the real problem. The clueless that butt into discussions without having a single damn clue of what they're talking about, but they try to insert some names to make it look like they know what they're talking about, whilst everyone else is wondering what they fuck they're snorting.

Specifics: Deus Ex was *fun*. Tight plot, nicely integrated skills & combat (sniper rifle was a pain to use until you put some skill points into it, at which point it became sheer joy), terrific engine (in terms of functionality, not necessarily aesthetics). Didn't like the second one, mainly because it ran pretty poorly on release on my system (Athlon 2000+, Geforce 4 4200, 512 MB RAM - not terrific, but not too shabby either) and I just couldn't get into the plot.

Fallout: the various cities and locales were all unique. San Francisco looked distinctly different than Las Vegas, and rightly so. Morrowind? Everything looked the same. This is pretty common among most 3d games I've played - it all looks like it was put together using the same coloured Lego blocks. I've yet to see a 2d iso game look like that - look at Baldur's Gate 2, for example! Beautiful, beautiful game, looked much better than NWN IMHO.

Okay, I missed the part where that had any relevance to the garbage you initially posted about Bethesda/Fallout/Deus Ex/FP view. None of what you mentioned has ANY relation to it. Here I was about to congratulate you with providing some background for your opinion that "Bethesda should keep in mind Deus Ex when developing Fallout 3", but then you go off into a spiel befitting a drunkard, unrelated to the subject entirely and serving no purpose in this discussion.

If you really need to wonder why, it might be in the absolutely pathetic way you fail to conduct a conversation.

Maybe Bethesda will surprise me, who knows. Anyway, please note the lack of rabidity ;)

Please note that I managed to get your attention, right? It's funny how communication works, in that I can light a fire under your ass so that you can't ignore it, and that you can sound like a complete moron because I've just proven you have little grasp of context and discussion.

That seems to be frightfully common as of late. :?

Ground Control to Major Tom...

Little grasp of context and discussion? You just went on a rant calling me an idiot and that I have nothing interesting to say at all. This is discussion? What are you, in kindergarten? You *could* have taken the germane parts of my posts and agreed/disagreed with them without acting like arrogant son of a bitch. You don't want my opinions? Fine. I've never heard of any of the freaking boards you were talking about - how is it my fault for not knowing about them exactly? Obviously, if I post *here*, then I get attacked, but if I head over to neverneverland.com then I'll be listened to? Riiiiiight. I'm beginning to see why the Fallout community has been bitching so much about nobody listening to them.

But hey, that's fine, I'm only a potential customer here. It's not like i was being a jerk or "dishonest," expecting that I would get my ass handed to me. My posts were sincere & without a trace of malice. I'll take this conversation into account when FO3 is released as to whether i'll buy it or not. Thanks for the "enlightenment!" Notice this part of communication, when I say "bite me" and refuse to read anything more you have to say.
 

taks

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Role-Player said:
Now, you have to concede that that post is a pretty blatant way of just increasing your post count without adding anything worthwhile to the discussion, Volourn.



Post count ++
no kidding.
taks :P
 

Saint_Proverbius

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Exitium said:
By the way, Fallout is a short game!

Short, sure.. You can finish it in one afternoon if you know what you're doing and skip over a few things - but you can play it differently every day for a few weeks. Hell, if you count all the events for every town, even neglecting the different character builds, that's enough to make for several weeks of play.
 

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No, it isn't. Like any game - no matter how good it is - it gets boring after the 2nd and/or 3rd try. Deal with it. Anyone who plays it more than 5 times is pathetic. Period.
 

Spazmo

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I don't know how you do it, Volourn, but you've topped yourself again. That's one of the stupidest things I've ever read.
 

Volourn

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That's your problem. It takes great genius to do what I do.

Seriously, you cna whine all ya want about FO's supposedly unlimited replayability; but I call bullshit.

No matter what you do, the basic story, scenarios, and dialogue changes the same. The Mutant Army still exist, yous till have tod eal with the Master, the Boneyard is the same, the base is the same, the Brotherhood is still the Brotherhood.

Being able to be a bad ass opposed to a goodie two shoes doesn't change that much overall. neither does just killing the one who takes the hooker hostage or sparing his life change much either.

Situations are always the same.

You lose.
 

plin

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" Whine

1. To utter a plaintive, high-pitched, protracted sound, as in pain, fear, supplication, or complaint.
2. To complain or protest in a childish fashion.
3. To produce a sustained noise of relatively high pitch: jet engines whining.
"

Aka, what you do when you repeat over and over that "bethesda is shit and they make shit games, and FO3 will be shit", NOT when someone states something normally.

Therefore, quit saying whining when you're whining you stupid fuck.
 

Major_Blackhart

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Volourn, how can you even say that about FO? WHY? HAVE YOU NO SOUL!?!? I replay it from time to time simply because the world is so great and I also love to try everything with a different character type, from the dumbass thug to whatever. I always enjoy it simply because it is so much fun to do that.
 

Volourn

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"Therefore, quit saying whining when you're whining you stupid fuck."

That statement isn't whining; it's a simply fact. It's not my fault Bethesda sucks and can only make shitty games, ya know. Go cry to them about it.


"WHY? HAVE YOU NO SOUL!?!?"

No. That is why I post here, afterall.


"how can you even say that about FO?"

Simple. I can say it 'cause it's true no matter the crpg. To me, it's like playing the same pnp camapign over and over again but with different characters. Like I said lame. Understandable maybe 2 or 3 times. Any more than that is silly.
 

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i sometimes think Volourn isn't even real....just a devil's advocae made real to haunt forum boards. I've noticed that Volourn pops up to counter pretty much most every statement made on the boards i frequent.

The higher Volourn's post count the more powerful he/she/it becomes. Soon...Volourn will destroy us all.

Of course...i may be wrong. I'm pretty bored at work today...
 

Volourn

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"I've noticed that Volourn pops up to counter pretty much most every statement made on the boards i frequent."

Yet.. People often whine about me posting "yes" when I agree with someone... Hmm.. Can't have it both ways though you are encouraged to try.
 

plin

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Volourn said:
"Therefore, quit saying whining when you're whining you stupid fuck."

That statement isn't whining; it's a simply fact.

It's opinion. If you can't grasp that, then I hope you die.
 

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Hahaha. Your hope and wish will come true... eventually.. So be happy and continue tocry like a little donkey caught up in a whrilwind sourrounde dby hateful hyenas who eat little ogres.
 

Rosh

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Txiasaeia said:
Little grasp of context and discussion? You just went on a rant calling me an idiot and that I have nothing interesting to say at all.

Are you stupid enough to think people will believe your lie? Anyone with half a brain and a sense of conversation flow could tell that you are just reposting a previous post of yours as if it has some context to the replies you are quoting. Then you took a couple of topics from what I replied with and built a straw man argument based upon that.

This is discussion? What are you, in kindergarten?

Apparently not, since I am the one of us both that appears to have some ability to understand context. I also refuse to play into certain logic fallacies. Or were you just stupid and thought I wanted an explanation of those two games? Hold on, I'll address more of your "martyrdom".

You *could* have taken the germane parts of my posts and agreed/disagreed with them without acting like arrogant son of a bitch.

Except when they have no contextual relevance to what I posted and you quoted to. You keep forgetting that. No, bad little monkey. I am not going to jump through your fallacy loop, kid.

You don't want my opinions? Fine.

Not when they have no rational connection behind them, which is what I've stated previously. Now we're back to square one, in me pointing out this is exactly one of the most irritating aspects of discussion. Someone generally becomes nasty when the smoke and mirrors are being used, and you've tried to constantly bullshit your way first through your "explanation" of how "Deus Ex is teh bestest for FP view and Betheseda should take notes from it" or whatever garbage it was that you wrote. I didn't bother to remember it verbatim or look it up since you can't be bothered to do either the same within this discussion.

I've never heard of any of the freaking boards you were talking about - how is it my fault for not knowing about them exactly? Obviously, if I post *here*, then I get attacked, but if I head over to neverneverland.com then I'll be listened to? Riiiiiight. I'm beginning to see why the Fallout community has been bitching so much about nobody listening to them.

Exactly what has that to do with the topic I was referring to? Here, since you seem to be mentally handicapped enough to use the Submit button and not the Search button, let me educate you as to it's use. See your posts?

Look to the bottom of them. Look for where it says "Profile". Don't worry how it is spelled, trust me that is correct.

In this new screen, there is a link titled "Find all posts by (User Name)". (User Name)is just a placeholder for the actual user name, yours would be Txiasaeia, in case you forgot that as well.

From this next screen, people can see every public post of yours.

Check out the one with you going on about Deus Ex, as if it had some relevance. In fact, I could think of a good number of things BAD about Deus Ex. In that first and foremost is that it is LINEAR AS A LINE. Yes, there is some option to go different routes and have certain actors give you items or get different speech selections, but as a whole nothing in the game you did really mattered up until the end. Not like Fallout at all.

You know, the part where you save and then go through all the different ending sequences to avoid having to play the rest of the game because the rest of the game really had NOTHING to do with which ending you received. Which is again different than Fallout.

As a template, Deus Ex would make a SHITTY example.

Fallout: "tight story"? That's a good laugh. Learn what it means.

But hey, that's fine, I'm only a potential customer here. It's not like i was being a jerk or "dishonest," expecting that I would get my ass handed to me. My posts were sincere & without a trace of malice.

Clueless disregard is rudeness, too. Generally, most intelligent people educate themselves about a subject before they enter into it, though being a gaming site, we get children who feel relevant because they can hit a Submit button and magically make words appear.

I'll take this conversation into account when FO3 is released as to whether i'll buy it or not.

Heavens forbid I should have "that" honor to have hurt your widdle feewings, but because you were so "wronged", you're not going to buy Fallout 3.

Maybe you should point out what logic you see in this to me because I don't understand "idiot"; I really fail to see where I should care at all whether you buy Fallout 3 or not. I usually enjoy the company of intelligent people, and seeing as you're one to let something out of context decide whether you purchase a game or not, I really doubt that qualifies you as intelligent. I probably do need to thank you pre-emptively for not cluttering up my support forums with tech help questions that don't bother to adequately explain the problem. That, in addition to your "conversational challenges" (to be PC and not hurt your feelings, shithead), would make you really popular in places where the adult to child ratio is often a little steeper than your insipid little mind could fathom.

Thanks for the "enlightenment!"

You are welcome.

Notice this part of communication, when I say "bite me" and refuse to read anything more you have to say.

If you want to know why we have to be rabid, it's to get past the morons that don't substantiate what they post and just post drivel like "Deus Ex should be kept in mind for developing a FP Fallout" and expect people to instantly know precisely what elements you mean. Unless, of course, you mean a FP Fallout should be a Deus Ex clone, at which people could enjoy an amusing laugh at your expense as you bring new meaning to "Fallout Enforcer".

I've already pointed this out before, but maybe you're just intelligent enough to get it on the fourth try. Nah, we couldn't be that lucky. Right now, since it is obvious you haven't played Fallout at all with your "opinion" that it should be like Deus Ex or Deus Ex should have some "relation" to future development of Fallout RPG titles is flamebait at best . Frankly, despite how dead the world did feel and how little they are, Morrowind did have many consequences of choices you've made through the game. Deus Ex had...more grenades or whatever if you took down the NSF non-lethally and more nonsensical crap like that. The choices you have in Deus Ex are all superficial up to the ending, while those in Morrowind while rare are still relevant throughout the game.

I think what makes it funny is that you've likely not noticed the rampant Fallout Enforcer references and put the X-COM reference together. Judging from the blank stare in your eyes, I know you're clueless of that as well.
 

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Rosh's post is a good one. Read it.

As for my opinion, I'd much rather see an original Bethesda-designed Fallout 3 over some cheap ripoff of Deus Ex just because a bunch of you yokels think it was the best thing to ever happen to first person RPGs. It wasn't. It was a good game in its own right and I enjoyed it very much for what it was, but I do not want to see Fallout 3 designed in its mould, because it's not a very good mould, and frankly, I have some faith in Bethesda's designers and their talent to create a brand new game without cheesing off the work of Ion Storm or anybody else.

If there are any notes Bethesda can take from Deus Ex, these notes should include to do certain things in the exact opposite way that Deus Ex handled them - the linearity, the shallow 'choices' and the superficial endings, are for instance... a big no-no. Deus Ex was fine for what it was, but any game that is built in its mould is something I have no intention of playing. Invisible War should serve as a fine example of utter drivel.
 

taks

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Role-Player said:
perturbanating.
that's one of them thar words the toothless redneck always elucidates right after the tornado lifted his neighborhood of trailer homes right off the map.
taks
 

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