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Eternity Josh Sawyer reflects on his failure with Pillars of Eternity

Discussion in 'Obsidian Entertainment' started by Roguey, Nov 3, 2019.

  1. Gargaune Cipher

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    Fair enough, I tend to get overly anal about this stuff.

    That's cool, and you're certainly right to call it unique. I might've been unloading at you as a proxy for Sawyer, I've got an axe to grind over his reaction to Deadfire's reception and I was probably going off on a tangent.

    But haven't you just undermined your premise? If your success is "measured" by your defiance, then there is still a scope for you to succeed in. This is why I look at Deadfire and suggest that an RPG centred around "futility" is fundamentally broken, it's not that the antagonist's success is a foregone conclusion, but because the protagonist has no part, no agency or variability in the evolution of that critical plot thread. You can work with failure, you could argue PST does, but futility doesn't track. I actually drafted a TLDR on Deadfire's catastrophic mishandling of agency back after I finished it, maybe I'll dust if off if I have time one of the coming weekends.
     
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  2. the mole Learned Shitposter

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    fighting a god wasn't enough for you

    boomer standards

    fighting a man who resurrects with all his memories intact for thousands of years and who is backed by a god woedica and can possess other people's bodies at a moments notice and discard them isn't enough for a boomer

    he needs the villain to be more powerful

    you cannot please some people

    like children they can't handle novelty
     
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  3. the mole Learned Shitposter

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    according to who

    the dispossessed perpetually asshurt old gamer crowd
     
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  4. Chippy Arcane Patron

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    Almost as sad as being a gold backer for it. And then only playing for for a few hours when it came out.

    If POE was as good as Kingmaker, I would have considered it money well spent. The whole POE experience was a lot like the Elvis fanbase (bear with me). You see the Elvis fanbase has a lot of retards in it. There's a connection between Elvis and retards. There just is. So certain people (like my boomer family) were lucky enough to see Elvis live. They said it was like being in the centre of a hurricane. Now imagine years later, boomers found out Elvis was still alive and living as a hobo, so they crowdfunded him, got him back on stage, and then found out he had lost his voice.

    But going back to the retards...these are the millenials that have listened to a few Elvis CDs and it touches them in a special place. And now they're lecturing the boomers on what the authentic, live, Elvis experience is.

    And the reason I went from boomer > millenial is because anyone who considers POE to be something of substance and talent to sit up there with the greatest RPGs...well, there's just too much of a distance between that thinking and taste for it to be considered authentic.
     
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  5. the mole Learned Shitposter

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    notice the idiots have no argument I've perfectly identified what they are
     
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  6. karoliner Magister

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    Why are you wasting time defending mediocrity?
     
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  7. the mole Learned Shitposter

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    according to?

    it is by far the best rtwp rpg of this style released in recent memory

    it isn't even close

    the competitors in its class are flat out broken as video games

    pillars of eternity 1 and 2 are not only functioning games but also pretty well done

    every argument comes from tired old men who can't get it up anymore for gaming, it doesn't "feel" good to play, it isn't "fun"
     
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  8. Semper Cipher

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    cut the man some slack. he repeatedly said that he couldn't give the audience what they wanted, and that he's not really willing to helm the production of a potential sequel.
     
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  9. JarlFrank I like Thief THIS much Patron

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    Where the fuck did I say more powerful? The villain in the game idea I described would merely be a powerful warlord with huge armies, not some kind of god.
    Low fantasy > high fantasy.

    In fact, once you give the villain too many god powers it becomes boring, because it usually means you as the player have to also become godlike. It's power creep. Keep everything at a reasonable level instead and have someone like Gandalf be the peak of power.
     
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  10. Gargaune Cipher

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    Did you, um... play Deadfire?

    Not what we were talking about.
     
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  11. the mole Learned Shitposter

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    the fighting a god comment referring to thaos, because come on it's the same thing basically
     
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    PC RPG Website of the Year, 2015 Make the Codex Great Again! Grab the Codex by the pussy Insert Title Here RPG Wokedex Divinity: Original Sin 2 A Beautifully Desolate Campaign Pillars of Eternity 2: Deadfire Pathfinder: Kingmaker
    This is legitimately a problem for someone who hasn't played PoE, although it's a common problem for RPGs. Also, the game makes the assumption the player will read the text more or less carefully.
    There is a mod for that. On the plus side, the party of five needs less management. I'm curious if a party of 6 and a reduced XP gain will be the perfect configuration for a PotD/Upscale all playthrough, though combat will definetly be a slog this way.
    Yeah this feels incredibly dumb in RtwP, but makes a lot more sense in TB. Sawyer did indeed want to make a classless TB game.

    Isn't it awfully linear though?
     
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  13. Desiderius Found your egg, Robinett, you sneaky bastard Patron

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    You’re several hundred years late and 20 pieces of silver short if any of that garbage is novel to you. Same old same old.

    For people who complain about the Boomers so much y’all sure do reproduce their tendency to all try to be edgelords on exactly the same edge and exactly the same side.

    It’s a wonder there’s enough room there for the both of you. No wonder you hate each other.
     
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  14. the mole Learned Shitposter

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    every boomer is saying new game shit, with entirely subjective reasons

    but I never said old game shit

    poe isn't a failed game, blame the brain chemistry of gen x which is so destroyed by anti depressants and beta blockers
     
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  15. Desiderius Found your egg, Robinett, you sneaky bastard Patron

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    Couldnt or wouldn’t? Once life finishes knocking him off that high horse he’ll finally be ready to produce a game worthy of all that talent.
     
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  16. Desiderius Found your egg, Robinett, you sneaky bastard Patron

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    Boomers aren’t gamers dumbass - they’re off doing fantasy football or golf leagues or some shit.

    Xers had enough experience pre-adderall/SSRI or whatever to feel the difference and back off in time to find healthier alternatives.

    In any case far from not being able to get it up game wise it feels like I’m swimming in pussy these days. More games I want to play than time to play them.

    It’s just that PoE’s like the chick with the fake tits who ends up being kind of a dead fish. She does have a decent enough personality so you sort of feel bad about ghosting her.
     
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  17. Gargaune Cipher

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    I was explicitly talking about Deadfire in the post JarlFrank replied to, my argument on "futility" doesn't extend to the original PoE. The first game's main narrative, even with its pacing issues, is a much more competent RPG plot than Deadfire's.
     
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  18. Zed Duke of Banville Zo Kath Ra Patron

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    COVID-19 is by far the best virus of this style released in recent memory. It isn't even close. :M
     
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  19. the mole Learned Shitposter

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    if only that made sense
     
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  20. Gargaune Cipher

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    Out of curiosity, being the RTwP whore that I am, how would it work better in TB? If anything, I'd have imagined the opposite seeing as combat rounds are no longer unified.

    It is, but I gotta agree with him there, I also enjoyed SoD more than I did PoE. Not that I hated the latter, but I felt like the pacing was off, its best material was genuinely interesting but it was all concentrated right at the end of the campaign. And systems-wise, SoD is IE BG and PoE isn't.
     
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    It's not his fault that you're a bit dumb.
     
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  22. the mole Learned Shitposter

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    boomers pretending nostalgia is more important than design
     
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  23. the mole Learned Shitposter

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    the male karen
     
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