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Eternity Josh Sawyer reflects on his failure with Pillars of Eternity

Discussion in 'Obsidian Entertainment' started by Roguey, Nov 3, 2019.

  1. Immortal Arcane

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    Retarded it is then. :roll:
     
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  2. Desiderius Found your egg, Robinett, you sneaky bastard Patron

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    Insert Title Here Pathfinder: Kingmaker
    Self awareness is the first step on the road to sucking less. An inability to grok simple game mechanics and analogies suggests it may be a long one, but just think of how much time you’ll have to enjoy improving, if ever so slowly.

    I’ll leave you alone so as not to overtax those modest mental faculties. Ignore.
     
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  3. CappenVarra phase-based phantasmist Patron

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    oh josh you're so wacky

    (FEMALE_SORCERER_1 voice from IWD2)

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  4. Meredoth Magister

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    Larian DOS1/2 : Appeals to the modern game audience which doesn't care about game mechanics and lore being in line and enjoy long and gimmicky fights.
    OwlCat PF:KM and PF:WoTR : Appeals to the old school game audience which loves games like those on infinity engine, 80s/90s dungeon crawlers and similar games.
    Obsidian Pillars of Eternity 1/2 : Too much old school for the "modernfags" and too much modern for "grognards"

    When Josh Sawyer said that there are little to no overlap between pillars fanbase and divinity fanbase he was not wrong. Disagree with me? show me one Larian fanboy which is also a OwlCat fanboy
     
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  5. Haplo Cipher Patron

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    If it were just 1-3 combos that work to discover in a sea of blandness, I might be inclined to agree.
    But there are amazing and quite often unexpected synergies all over the place. Many combos I would not expect to be good in fact work great.
     
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  6. Desiderius Found your egg, Robinett, you sneaky bastard Patron

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    Work in the same narrow way and to do the same narrow thing. Once you’ve effortlessly blown out a combat or three things get boring. Games where you can offer a wide variety of angles of attack - and have to - are more interesting.
     
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  7. AwesomeButton Personally falsified the US election results Patron

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    Yes, this observation has been made multiple times over the years. Like I said, they attempted to capture the casual audience with a game built on grognards' kickstarter funds. While there is a way to configure the game to be enjoyable for a subsection of grognards, on the whole Obsidian lost both audience groups.
     
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  8. Desiderius Found your egg, Robinett, you sneaky bastard Patron

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    It sold better than that didn’t it?

    Moral of the story: recreate the experience you loved and share it (bridging the supposed casual/grognard gap), don’t try to condescend to those you imagine incapable of your own brilliance.
     
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  9. AwesomeButton Personally falsified the US election results Patron

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    Around $9 million investment, around 1 million copies sold.
     
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  10. almondblight Arcane

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    If people liked the IE games, more power too them, but let's not pretend the combat was well implemented. If this trend continues, we'll have people on here 10 years from now calling themselves "grognards" for liking Fallout 3's combat.
     
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  11. Iskramor Dumbfuck! Dumbfuck

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    So josh rpg is basically 3d darklands?
     
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  12. Immortal Arcane

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    He was talking about some American Western game where you take rollercoasters through hellish dimensions or something..?
    I think Nuu-Josh would probably have you fighting drumpf on a hipster bicycle.
     
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  13. the mole Learned Shitposter

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    in fallout 3 your damage increases as you increase your skills

    sounds like an rpg to me
     
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  14. the mole Learned Shitposter

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    you're old and it's time to give up on gaming

    forever
     
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    Codex 2014 PC RPG Website of the Year, 2015 Codex 2016 - The Age of Grimoire Make the Codex Great Again! Grab the Codex by the pussy Insert Title Here RPG Wokedex Strap Yourselves In Divinity: Original Sin Project: Eternity Torment: Tides of Numenera Shadorwun: Hong Kong Divinity: Original Sin 2 BattleTech A Beautifully Desolate Campaign
    I feel like popping moles.

    They make a really satisfying sound when they die in Fallout, don't they?
     
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  16. the mole Learned Shitposter

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    I play with sound off
     
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  17. vibehunter Educated

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    I enjoyed DOS2. And I'm enjoying PF:KM right now. Come at me.

    I hate Pillars though.
     
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  18. Desiderius Found your egg, Robinett, you sneaky bastard Patron

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    Insert Title Here Pathfinder: Kingmaker
    I like all three, but PF is just on another level, and Wrath on another level still.
     
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  19. gabel Learned

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    The Codexian perspective is to hate all three.
     
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  20. Drowed Arcane

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    Same, except that I didn't like POE2, but liked the first one. Maybe my opinion will change in the next replay.
     
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  21. Desiderius Found your egg, Robinett, you sneaky bastard Patron

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    The last patch or whatever for Deadfire added a lot. You can also sneak past the Digsite Drake and if you enter Gorecci from the bottom that fight makes more sense.
     
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  22. Meredoth Magister

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    Any source about it? I mean, I heard that poe2 sold poorly but din't imagine that was THAT bad
     
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  23. Haplo Cipher Patron

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    I think that was always the case.
     
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  24. Darth Canoli Arcane

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    :deathclaw:

    40$ a unit, not counting discounts nor expensive bundles, they probably balance each other.
    40M - 9M investment.

    31M$ - 30/40% steam fees = 19/22M before taxes.

    What a failure indeed.
     
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  25. Desiderius Found your egg, Robinett, you sneaky bastard Patron

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    Your math is pretty optimistic but still... can't imagine they lost money.
     
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