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Eternity Josh Sawyer reflects on his failure with Pillars of Eternity

Discussion in 'Obsidian Entertainment' started by Roguey, Nov 3, 2019.

  1. Meredoth Magister

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    Baldur's Gate 2 and ToB.

    You can cast stop time, wish, wail of the banshee, finger of death, animate dead, polymorth, cloudkill, charm person, dominate person, shapechange(...) with a single character. The problem is that Pillars has only lackluster spells. You can't compare cloudkill with "malignant cloud" or wathever the spell is called.

    In fact, why anyone would pick alteration or conjuration as a wizard on pillars 2?
     
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  2. the mole Learned Shitposter

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    turns out poe isn't an exact 1/1 copy of baldurs gate 2
     
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  3. the mole Learned Shitposter

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    skyrim lets your wizard use all the spells, you could play that
     
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  4. the mole Learned Shitposter

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    I'm not sure exactly what you're referring to when you mean alteration or conjuration

    alteration would presumably be self buffs, which are very powerful, you get huge armor and defense bonuses can conjure weapons and boost your accuracy, and personally I don't use a wizard so I don't even know what conjuration spells they have in poe 2, I use a druid in poe2

    all of the classes have very specific roles for certain situations

    we could go really indepth and explain what each class does best and what they are used for but

    1. I think you're smart enough to realize what the roles are
    and 2. I don't really feel like going through all the effort
     
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  5. the mole Learned Shitposter

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    My goal is to spam teheku ice spells so fort isn't my main priority, that build would have been great on my barb rogue playthrough though but dual wield was easy enough
     
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  6. the mole Learned Shitposter

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    I guess in poe2 you can dual class wizard chanter, so you get most of the aoe spells, and summons

    but I guess you can't have every single spell in the game on one character

    but if you aren't lazy you could raise arcana skill and use scrolls instead to use the spells you can't get through level up

    I mean you'd have to play the game and not complain though

    also weapons and armor have spells enchanted on them usually per rest, but those are even more spells you have to use
     
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  7. Strange Fellow Peculiar Patron Sad Loser

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    Take it easy, Josh.
     
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  8. the mole Learned Shitposter

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    crybabies never learn

    the neuroplasticity is gone

    it's gone forever
     
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  9. the mole Learned Shitposter

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    I think technically cipher chanter with arcana skill allows you to use every spell in the game

    I don't think cipher or chanter spells are on scrolls, so if you weren't lazy and actually played the game you could have this wizard character with every spell if you want, but if you never played the game you would never experience that
     
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  10. Meredoth Magister

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    Which is a very "mmoesque" to the idea of "classes"... On original D&D, a Fighter can be a ranged DPS(bow/crossbow), a "tank"(shield + high con), a close quarters DPS(two handed weapon). Fighter focus on using weapons which can be used for a lot of different "roles" and that is it. Clerics? Clerics are the representatives of his deity. They aren't just "healers", a cleric can worship a death God or a destructive God like Talos.

    Except that in case of PoE2 is worse. If the game give me the option to play as a illusionist or conjurer, I wanna to be able to play as one.

    Point to Obsidian, they din't included necromancers in his game. They would ruin it more than they ruined on nwn2 which requires spell fixes mod to be good.
     
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  11. the mole Learned Shitposter

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    you do have those options you just choose to complain about them here and not play the game
     
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    PC RPG Website of the Year, 2015 Make the Codex Great Again! Grab the Codex by the pussy Insert Title Here RPG Wokedex Divinity: Original Sin 2 A Beautifully Desolate Campaign Pillars of Eternity 2: Deadfire Pathfinder: Kingmaker
    Yeah, it's full of people who approach PoE/Deadfire with some expectations formed by the IE games, and when they encounter qualitatively different, and much more complex and flexible systems, they never have the disposition to get into them and learn how to play by them. Instead they just drop the game and write uninformed comments like this one.

    Is this a mistake on Josh's part, that his design diverged too much from what he was advertising he is "spiritually succeeding"? I think that's his core mistake. The systems themselves are quite good for something developed mostly by one guy who was also managing the whole gamedev project.
     
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  13. Haplo Cipher Patron

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    Pillars of Eternity 2: Deadfire
    Cipher. Also Chanter.
    A chanter can spam a horde of skeletal minions. Eventually passively. Every 3 seconds in case of Troubadour.
    Cipher will leech stats and Frighten enemies. Wizard can leech health and Terrify enemies. High level Wizard can also temporarily banish enemies who would dare touch him while afflicting them with a DOT.
    Not really there... but a chanter will have other mighty summons, including adult dragons and animated weapons.
    Uh, got me there. Then again, DnD games don't really have reason to be very proud of that aspect either?
    On Rogue and ranger; eventually also (more expensive) on barbarian, monk and fighter.
    Umm, wizard actually. I mean, other classes can summon certain weapons also, but only wizard has access to
    -> a bow that fires bouncing arrows that terrify enemies,
    -> a lance that does aoe damage (and carries on-hit effects of special abilities),
    -> balls of elemental energy that do aoe damage when thrown,
    -> a staff that drains life on hit;
    -> a life leeching touch that targets Willpower instead of Deflection (normally one off, but...)
    What's interesting, is that if said wizard summons a double (Essential Pahntom, Substantial Phantom), he will have the original's equipment - including special weapons and their effects. Draining Touch won't dissapear on discharge for him...
    Umm, a druid can polymorph himself?
    Simple. Cipher.
     
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  14. Haplo Cipher Patron

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    You're doing well convincing me you've never actually played the game.
     
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  15. Mr. Magniloquent Arcane Patron

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    Haplo That's very dismissive, but not a compelling argument against what I've written. I played PoE 1, right when v3.0 arrived. First as a Wizard, but a bit after arriving in Defiance Bay, I restarted as a Cipher. On that run I scoured every bit of content right to to Twin Elms. I uninstalled the game not long after arriving. I knew the end had to be close, but I couldn't be bothered. Highlights of the game included the art direction and Durance. I did not play White March DLC. I do think the game had a great deal of potential, but just missed the mark. It's not awful, but it is not good. For a game and developer that were supposed to be a triumphant risen phoenix, that's a sin.
     
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  16. Parabalus Arcane

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    Even with those 'lackluster' spells PoE wizards are still OP compared to others.

    Somehow Sawyer managed to fail both camps, those hungry for balance and those who want wizard's with AWESOMEBUTTONs.
     
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  17. the mole Learned Shitposter

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    so which one is it genius, lackluster or overpowered
     
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  18. Funposter Liturgist

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    Lacklustre and overpowered are not antonyms.
     
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    you don't know shit about english then or context

    in this context they are antonyms
     
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  20. the mole Learned Shitposter

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    so which one is it, the spells are lackluster or overpowered
     
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  21. the mole Learned Shitposter

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    how idiots use semantics to cover up their stupid subjective opinions 101

    then they have the nerve to pretend they are objective

    you're too old

    gaming is done for you, there are no neurons being activated for you
     
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  22. Meredoth Magister

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    Yep. If Wizards had only fireball, but the fireball was enough to win any encounter wit it, it would be very lackluster and boring. Being a mage in Gothic 2 + RETURNING is not lackluster but is pretty hard. Took 14 hours for me to become a circle 1 necromancer in that game(the game is over 200 hours), not only being accepted into the circle of darkness require a long quest and grinding int(which can't be trained, you get int by reading books, doing alchemy, etc) and after it, I had to get reagents, a runestone and make a magical rune, each summon has a mana upkeep cost per second which can easily eats more mana than what you can regen with potion(which require a drinking animation and regents slowly)

    When you get your first arrow of darkness spell, there are a lot of creatures which takes ZERO damage from it. In fact, as a dark magician you can only hope to defeat demons without spending expensive scrolls at circle 4. A thing which fire mages can do much earlier in the game. And circle 3 spear of darkness is strong enough to OHK dire wolves.

    A RPG game is not like Chess where only the gameplay matters. The gameplay needs to be aligned with the lore. Disintegrate which never disintegrate anything, and works like a generic DoT, low INT wizards being possible despite the game's lore establishing that wizards are intellectuals, mundane animals soaking multiple fireballs(...) This is what makes magery lackluster on pillars.
     
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  23. the mole Learned Shitposter

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    so what does any of that verbal diarrhea have to do with pillars of eternity

    a game you don't play and never play
     
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  24. Meredoth Magister

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    1 - An example of a game which made caster's live very hard and was very fun
    2 - An example that casters can be hard to be played without breaking the "role playing"
    3 - I posted a screenshot some posts ago showing over 90 hours on Pillars 2
     
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  25. the mole Learned Shitposter

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    none of the shit you said had anything to do with pillars of eternity

    I feel like you didn't read my question

    what the fuck does any of that have to do with pillars of eternity
     
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