Larian = Decline. OwlCat = Incline.

[Cryomancer]

not gonna be released for a year or two

The problem is not the game. IS his influences and I'm just criticizing because I wanna and like criticize it.

if BG3 is bad you understand that?

Yep. But BG3 lets look only in vampires aspect. BG3 has Astation. PF:WoTR has a class about a half vampire necromancer who can use his blood to make his necromancies deadlier. Despite the lack of a vampire mythic path, in this aspect PF:WoTR is much better. Same for every other aspect.

writing is trash, combat is trash, plethora of bugs.

Writing could be better.

Combat, could have a better AI but is not bad. Has a lot of situational spells and is fast and interesting

Bugs, most of then are fixed. Which bugs did you experienced? I only found 3 "massive" bugs in my run. Arueshalae's dream crashing the game, a "exit" icon not showing till I restarted and my portrait disappearing.

overrated here. It's probably the best adaptation

> Overrated
> Best adaptation

Chose one. The best 3.5E adaptation is underrated IMO.

So the bias against TB RPGs didn't start with Larian, in fact I think they might be helpful in turning the trend around. Some people might find these games boring or basic, bur as far as I can tell normies love that shit.

Amazing point. You are right.

Since not everyone seems to be aware, 5e changed how memorizing spells & spellslots work. No shenanigans on Larian's part, they're just implementing the rules.

Yep. You are right. Spontaneous casting is not Larians fault.

 

[Gangrelrumbler]

> Overrated
> Best adaptation
Chose one. The best 3.5E adaptation is underrated IMO.

It's best at adapting rules and has the best combat system, but the content itself is lacking. Encounters aren't that interesting after you get to the temple and the plot is pretty forgettable. BG2 with ToEE combat would be amazing, but as the games are now I would rate BG2 much, much higher even though I don't have very high opinion on IE combat.

 

[Cryomancer]

> Overrated
> Best adaptation
Chose one. The best 3.5E adaptation is underrated IMO.

It's best at adapting rules and has the best combat system, but the content itself is lacking. Encounters aren't that interesting after you get to the temple and the plot is pretty forgettable. BG2 with ToEE combat would be amazing, but as the games are now I would rate BG2 much, much higher even though I don't have very high opinion on IE combat.

Yep. Imagine if you could create your own custom adventures with ToEE engine. Imagine BG 1 + 2 + ToB with ToEE rules, combat and engine.

 

[Zeriel]

> Overrated
> Best adaptation
Chose one. The best 3.5E adaptation is underrated IMO.

It's best at adapting rules and has the best combat system, but the content itself is lacking. Encounters aren't that interesting after you get to the temple and the plot is pretty forgettable. BG2 with ToEE combat would be amazing, but as the games are now I would rate BG2 much, much higher even though I don't have very high opinion on IE combat.

Yep. Imagine if you could create your own custom adventures with ToEE engine. Imagine BG 1 + 2 + ToB with ToEE rules, combat and engine.

That was the promise initially. People were hoping they'd make full-fledged BG style adventures, and I believe Tim said they pitched that to Atari but they weren't interested. Kind of ironic that choosing ToEE may have doomed them since it just lacked the ability to be successful enough to build a brand, despite having amazing implementation of rules. I am inclined not to blame Troika there though because Atari seemed totally uninterested in giving them a chance in the first place, and we see how mismanaged that franchise (D&D) was after ToEE.

Bugs, most of then are fixed. Which bugs did you experienced? I only found 3 "massive" bugs in my run. Arueshalae's dream crashing the game, a "exit" icon not showing till I restarted and my portrait disappearing.

There's a fuckton of bugs with mythic paths. Maybe you just got lucky in picking one that lacks them.

 

[Cryomancer]

There's a fuckton of bugs with mythic paths. Maybe you just got lucky in picking one that lacks them.

Lich Cruoromancer who din't did the lich transformation cuz I din't wanted to.

But the idea of mythic paths and doing things story related affecting your char in a unique milestone way is a huge incline.

 

[Atchodas]

Writing could be better.

Combat, could have a better AI but is not bad. Has a lot of situational spells and is fast and interesting

Bugs, most of then are fixed. Which bugs did you experienced? I only found 3 "massive" bugs in my run. Arueshalae's dream crashing the game, a "exit" icon not showing till I restarted and my portrait disappearing.

 

[Cryomancer]

Writing could be better.

Combat, could have a better AI but is not bad. Has a lot of situational spells and is fast and interesting

Bugs, most of then are fixed. Which bugs did you experienced? I only found 3 "massive" bugs in my run. Arueshalae's dream crashing the game, a "exit" icon not showing till I restarted and my portrait disappearing.

Yep. Saying that a game with amazing necromancy is better than a game with lv 4 archdruids, barrelmancy, astarion and slow low lethality combat is "copium" /sarcasm

 

[samuraigaiden]

Sure, in a world where EA reduced Bioware to "makers of Anthem", where Ubisoft turned Might & Magic X into abandonware instead of patching it and is convincing an entire generation that Assassin's Creed is a RPG, where Cyberpunk 2077 exists (and I don't think I need to add anything to that statement), in this shitty world which unfortunately is the world we live in today... sure, let us focus our outrage and hate on Swen and Larian because their games aren't as good as Kotaky said they were. That makes sense

 

[Atchodas]

game with amazing necromancy is better than a game with lv 4 archdruids, barrelmancy, astarion and slow low lethality combat

None of this determinate quality of a game ...

 

[Zeriel]

Sure, in a world where EA reduced Bioware to "makers of Anthem", where Ubisoft turned Might & Magic X into abandonware instead of patching it and is convincing an entire generation that Assassin's Creed is a RPG, where Cyberpunk 2077 exists (and I don't think I need to add anything to that statement), in this shitty world which unfortunately is the world we live in today... sure, let us focus our outrage and hate on Swen and Larian because their games aren't as good as Kotaky said they were. That makes sense

I mean the bigger problem is that their games keep getting worse. I honestly think it's too soon to say on BG3 though. There are various reasons I dislike it, but they are mostly down to the BG name being attached to a very un-BG product. There's too little content in it so far to judge, it could very well be a decent if uninspiring game on full release. I think the main issues with it are not so much Larian's fault as the fault of modern D&D and modern Faerun having so little to do with what Faerun and D&D were like in BG's time, so everyone who wants a new BG ends up disappointed.

For what it's worth this is the same criticism I had for Fallout 4 and the new Doom. The new Doom is a decent game on its own, if it was called Hell Assault Shooter I would be totally fine with it, it's the retroactive grafting of the Doom name onto an arena shooter that annoys. Likewise Fallout 4 is not a Fallout game, if it had any other name attached to it you could shrug and say its fine for what it is.

 

[Cryomancer]

None of this determinate quality of a game ...

Yep. Game journalists who can't beat IWD:EE in story mode are the best metric of a game quality.

Might & Magic X

Was a fiasco. Many people bought it only due MM6 on steam.

Cyberpunk 2077

Cyberbug 2077 is not bad. Could be better. IMO fallout new vegas is thousands of times better, but is not bad.

 

[Atchodas]

Yep. Game journalists who can't beat IWD:EE in story mode are the best metric of a game quality.

What the fuck are you talking about?

Cyberbug 2077 is not bad

 

[a Goat]

Could you make chad vs. virgin, chad vs soy or muscle doge vs. weak doge meme image for me to better understand your post, OP? It's too complicated and I'm confused.

 

[Zeriel]

None of this determinate quality of a game ...

Yep. Game journalists who can't beat IWD:EE in story mode are the best metric of a game quality.

Might & Magic X

Was a fiasco. Many people bought it only due MM6 on steam.

Cyberpunk 2077

Cyberbug 2077 is not bad. Could be better. IMO fallout new vegas is thousands of times better, but is not bad.

The fact you think Cyberpunk 2077 was "not bad" but Might and Magic X "was a fiasco" makes me pine for human euthanization.

 

[Cryomancer]

Might and Magic X "was a fiasco"

Is ultra linear, on rails jrpg style, the spells are very lackluster, in quality and quantity. Only 4 water magic spells. The game is low lehtality with common bandits soaking multiple blows, in M&M VI, I could 2HK titans using sharpmetal spell(dark magic)

What the fuck are you talking about?

See the game journalist which I posted in first page in spoiler reviewing switch ports of DOS2 and IWD:EE

Cyberpunk 2077 was "not bad"

And was not bad. But I have a lot of critiques.

• "pistol ammo", "rifle ammo" and other BS instead of proper ".45 ACP", 9mm, 556x45, 7,62x51mm and etc
• The high amount of bugs and performance demand
• The gunplay is low lethality
• The story gives a lot of illusion of choices
• The mechanical character customization is a bit lackluster(but way better than DA:I for eg)
• (...)

IMO Cyberbutg 2077 is not a bad game. Is a bad RPG but a good shooter

Could you make chad vs. virgin, chad vs soy or muscle doge vs. weak doge meme image for me to better understand your post, OP? It's too complicated and I'm confused.

Already made

 

[Suicidal]

Why is the mobile game tier HoMM minigame in WoTR is listed as a positive though?

 

[Saravan]

Yeah how about that HoMM3 style crusade boys.

 

[Gangrelrumbler]

Also, the game has 83 on Metacritic. How is it the game journalists hate?

 

[Reinhardt]

Already made

too long. It should be "bg3 - no lich pew-pew succubus harem. wotr - lich pew-pew succubus harem"

 

[Zeriel]

I don't really get the appeal of there being a brothel. Are we 12 years old? If you want text porn about your demon harem just fire up AI Dungeon, it has basically zero relevance to a CRPG.

 

[Anonona]

Why is the mobile game tier HoMM minigame in WoTR is listed as a positive though?

Yeah how about that HoMM3 style crusade boys.

Please understand, he made that one a long time before release. He needed badly to shit on BG3, and as we know, if you put any argument, no matter how shitty, on a "meme" template then it must be true despite being shit, no actually an argument or straight up no true.

 

[Reinhardt]

I don't really get the appeal of there being a brothel.

 

[Cryomancer]

Already made

too long. It should be "bg3 - no lich pew-pew succubus harem. wotr - lich pew-pew succubus harem"

Thanks for being the unique guy not taking a old meme too seriously... Anyway, I like a lot of games without magic. In Cyberbug 2077, be able to snipe people behind wall at 400m is so amazing.

But a question. Is your character in PF:WoTR male of female? I can't know by his portrait.

 

[Gradenmayer]

Already made

too long. It should be "bg3 - no lich pew-pew succubus harem. wotr - lich pew-pew succubus harem"

Thanks for being the unique guy not taking a old meme too seriously... Anyway, I like a lot of games without magic. In Cyberbug 2077, be able to snipe people behind wall at 400m is so amazing.

But a question. Is your character in PF:WoTR male of female? I can't know by his portrait.

I assume it's female. You can tell by the pair of tits located on the player model.

 

[Anonona]

Thanks for being the unique guy not taking a old meme too seriously

I mean, most of those points were the literally same arguments you used "seriously" time and time again, so excuse us if we have a hard time knowing when you are joking. Also I don't think you know what "meme" really means.

Is your character in PF:WoTR male of female? I can't know by his portrait

This question is pretty much "WoTR in a nutshell"