DraQ
Arcane
BO1, I think, though I've never played the original. Then it's SR1->SR2->Defiance.DefJam101 said:Never played a LoK game, any suggestions on where to start?
BO1, I think, though I've never played the original. Then it's SR1->SR2->Defiance.DefJam101 said:Never played a LoK game, any suggestions on where to start?
False.Ed123 said:Noooo Defjam you must play BO2
Also, that's probably the best order of games too in terms of quality, hoo hooo
Mikayel said:How do you mean defiance ends when Kane refuses the sacrifice? Do you mean the ending in the game... or?
Ed123 said:Kain doesn't kill the Elder God.
The game ends with Kain looking out on the Pillars of Nosgoth his past self had just corrupted, silently thanking Raziel for giving him hope for the future
Chronology is relevant, however the story involves extensive amounts of time travel, temporal loops and a bit of alternative history (though I think it was mostly BO1), so the chronology in respect to the world is not the chronology player experiences playing games in order. Chronologically BO2 picks up after both Defiance and BO1 end, but causally it's influenced by Defiance.Ed123 said:As DraQ says, Chronology is virtually irrelevent.
[s]Wikipedo[/s] Wikipedia said:
In some cases indirectly - through Defiance.Ed123 said:Similarly, the events of BO2 only exist because of what happened in SR2, IIRC.
It might be a boon granted by my super assburgers, but I haven't noticed.In any case, going from (...) SR2 to Defiance to BO2 messes up the introduction of the Hylden.
That's may be why I never bothered obtaining a copy of BO2 in one way or another.Going straight from SR2 to Defiance just feels like too much of a leap, whereas SR2-BO2-Defiance flows better, and BO2 acts as something of an interlude with regards to the Elder God/Razzy/Guardian subplots. Besides, I can't think of a better ending to the series than:
Kain said:"...the first, bitter taste of that terrible illusion...Hope."
Darth Roxor said:Actually, Vorador being alive is not that much of an inconsistency, I think. After all, Moebius dies in Defiance, so he never gets the chance to behead Vorador.
Although doesn't Defiance end the moment Kain refuses the sacrifice at the pillars? Because if so, then it is rather inconsistent.
*shrug*
Blood Omen 2 is a spinoff anyway.
The Resurrection of Vorador
Perhaps the single most common question among fans of the series who played Blood Omen 2 was regarding Vorador's presence in that game, as he had been beheaded by Moebius near the end of the first Blood Omen.
The original design of Defiance included a chapter regarding Vorador's resurrection, which would have mended the continuity between the two Blood Omen titles and also made it possible for him to appear in future games in the series. The specifics of this part of the storyline are currently unknown.
It is believed that this chapter was removed during the rewrite which also eliminated A Return to the Soul Reaver Era. If so, then similarly there was never any dialogue written or recorded for the story of how Vorador was resurrected.
A Return to the Soul Reaver Era
The most significant planned element of Defiance which is not present in the final game is this final chapter in which Kain would have returned to the ruined Nosgoth of the future in which Soul Reaver was set.
It has not been revealed what his task there would have been, but it is logical to assume that the future era was where Kain would have finally redeemed the world which he had doomed at the end of Blood Omen. It is also likely that it is where his final battle with The Elder God would have taken place, as hinted at by their dialogue in the closing sequence of the retail game.
This chapter was deleted very early in the production process when it became clear that it could never be finished in time. No dialogue was ever written or recorded for it. It is believed that a prototype of The Sanctuary of The Clans was created with the Defiance game engine in mind, but no imagery of it has been released. It is unknown if concept art or models exist for any of the other areas of the future Nosgoth.
The problem with this is, if they were able to come up with a way to transform humans into vampires, didn't that simply defeat the curse of sterility, therefore allowing them to repopulate back to an ideal number? Yes, the humans eventually rebelled and started the Sarafan order because of this and nearly wiped them out, but if vampires are so much more powerful than humans, how the hell did they allow this happen? The rebellion sparked by the death of William the Just were just a bunch of peasants yet they also managed to pwn the vampires out of existence while Kain was away.Reject_666_6 said:Since they were cursed with sterility, they came up with a magical way of making new vampires from humans.
Ummm nope. Now that I think about it, Mortanius must have been pretty damn crazy thanks to Nupraptor's curse to take the risk of using the heart of darkness like that....Vorador made Kain...
Tony Jay helped.Dire Roach said:The problem with this is, if they were able to come up with a way to transform humans into vampires, didn't that simply defeat the curse of sterility, therefore allowing them to repopulate back to an ideal number? Yes, the humans eventually rebelled and started the Sarafan order because of this and nearly wiped them out, but if vampires are so much more powerful than humans, how the hell did they allow this happen? The rebellion sparked by the death of William the Just were just a bunch of peasants yet they also managed to pwn the vampires out of existence while Kain was away.
Dire Roach said:The problem with this is, if they were able to come up with a way to transform humans into vampires, didn't that simply defeat the curse of sterility, therefore allowing them to repopulate back to an ideal number?
The main blow to the vampires was that their new existence was completely against their religion, and that with no vampires born, the Pillars chose human Guardians. One of the things that makes Kain so important is that he's the first vampire Guardian in ages.Reject_666_6 said:Dire Roach said:The problem with this is, if they were able to come up with a way to transform humans into vampires, didn't that simply defeat the curse of sterility, therefore allowing them to repopulate back to an ideal number?
Well, the vampires of the old days and the ones made from humans are not really the same thing. I can't exactly tell you how, but one obvious thing is their wings and their increased strength.
And yeah, I forgot about Mortanius.
But the human vampires, assuming they would live long enough, would eventually "evolve" into the form of original vampires, wouldn't they? Was Raziel the only one who ever happened to sprout wings? Hmm, now that I think of it, his wings actually looked quite a bit like a hylden's, so I guess that was probably due to the whole prophecy thing.Reject_666_6 said:Well, the vampires of the old days and the ones made from humans are not really the same thing. I can't exactly tell you how, but one obvious thing is their wings and their increased strength.