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Well, we ARE going for the most sexually confused Cloud here...
afewhours said:MOAR.
Locue said:It's actually the battles that keeps me going. Sure they suck but they sure beat whatever happens whenever the characters starts talking.
Yeah, I actually find random battles quite therapeutic, even when they're as simple as FFVII's. God knows why. I would sit there playing SMT:DDS and get awfully fidgety whenever the cutscenes started. I just wanted to get back to levelling my DA3M0NZ.
It's odd. The grinding annoys the hell out of me in MMO land, but in classic dungeon crawlers, I could do it for hours.
SanguinePenguin said:I still enjoy it although I do find it amusing that I remember the finer details of certain gameplay aspects less than the people who supposedly don't.
Overall I think VII get's a lot of undeserved hate so much so that crapping on it has become dull as much as gushing over Halo/Gears of War.
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ecliptic said:At the same time, I love how much Nocturne will hand your ass to you without thinking twice about it.
ghostdog said:Yeah , nocturne, I'll have to finish it someday... SMT1 was better though.
Absolutely a mix of the two. FF7 was the first FF I played and, hey, I found it to be very good and very interesting. It mixed this weird art with a cool sci-fi story and it had battles that were like "cinematic Fallout battles" as I liked calling them, no joke. As far as introducing a genre of RPGs to the west, FF7 was a great success and I would've never gotten around to play other jRPG-series so early if I hadn't played FF7, like Suikoden who proved to be even better!Fez said:I think people remember this game as a lot better than it was as for many it was an early introduction into the genre or they were much younger when they played it.
I liked the backgrounds but the lego-bricks style characters really turned me off and some of the backgrounds tend to reflect this. The scene with Aeris and Cloud on the church roof looks really Tom Thumby, for example. I managed to ignore my graphics whoring self to finish the game but I know that I would have had an easier time doing it if the characters had looked as good as the backgrounds. Hell, they went from lego to tall, lanky anatomy with FF7 and FF8. To me, that's a great leap with, what, only two years between them? They could have done better.SanguinePenguin said:1. Graphics: In a lot of the belated reviews you see it come up but really it's an old ass game. Having played the PC version and seeing the high-res background maps there's a lot of decent eye candy there. I have no problem visualizing the Popeye 3D characters as what they're "suppose" to look like any more than a 2D sprite.
No arguments here. I fully agree.2. Story/Setting: Modern-ish world is a plus for me. Also at the time the main character actually being a screw up and a loser not really different from the clones as opposed to being the Chosen One was pretty neat and more memorable to me than the killing of Aeris. The bad guy technically already being dead with just his "shade" running around was a nice touch too. It's fairly consistent IMO with even minor stuff like the cross dressing scene with Cloud pretending to be a woman tying into the bitch/butch relationship with Sephiroth. And each character gets a decent amount of air time including the secret characters (Yuffie has her own town and Vincent some scenes rewarding exploration) which is rare in any game.
Meh, I don't powerlevel. I'm still using Cloud's braver attack for christs sake (you only get new limit breaks for killing a certain number of enemies and using your existing limit breaks a number of times) and weapons/armor tends to only become better as your progress through the game. The first really bad-yet good armor we're going to find is in the Shinra HQ, the Four Slots. The defence on it sucks but it has more materia slots (four, obviously) making it a valuable magic users armor if you don't mind doing a little protecting.3. Gameplay: As long you don't powerlevel it's not too easy. There are some choices you got to make when shuffling around with some armor and weapons depending upon what characters you want to use and how Magicky you want to make them.
Locue said:And the Persona-games are freaking wonderful games. Anyone who's into RPGs, and not just jRPGs, should give them a try.
Locue said:As far as introducing a genre of RPGs to the west, FF7 was a great success and I would've never gotten around to play other jRPG-series so early if I hadn't played FF7, like Suikoden who proved to be even better!
Locue said:But of course, everything was so much more better when you were young. Go figure.
Locue said:As for the combat... well, I still find it easy but I guess I'm biased having played a lot of these type of games. Timing tends to work very well
Well, I'm not a real codexer. I came here in 2003, became a registered user in 2004 and stuck around because I thought the people were really funny and I could see myself grow old with them. Of course, people come and go but it's still fun. Although maybe not as intelligent!afewhours said:Locue said:And the Persona-games are freaking wonderful games. Anyone who's into RPGs, and not just jRPGs, should give them a try.
That's the first recommendation of Persona I've read on the Codex. Now I feel better about being a massive animefag and checking them out. Cheers. I'll happily take any recommendation from an SF avatar as long as it doesn't involve turning 'round and bending over.
Okay, maybe other people have mentioned Persona in a different sentence from "fucking JRPG bullshit" but I haven't read the entire Codex yet.
Yeah, the latter games in the series proved to be even better once I, eh, legally obtained them over the Internet, and to this day it's FF1 and 6 that really makes up my FF-love. 6 was great and 1 was awesome and had more in common with western dungeon crawlers and proved to be appealing as hell but they never succeeded in copying that formula again, did they.Locue said:As far as introducing a genre of RPGs to the west, FF7 was a great success and I would've never gotten around to play other jRPG-series so early if I hadn't played FF7, like Suikoden who proved to be even better!
I got on the JRPG boat a little earlier. It was FFVI that got me into the genre. FFVII seemed a little underwhelming by comparison, but you can't underestimate its importance, for better or worse.
Heh, I'm the exact opposite. My reflexes are utter shit and I tend to mess up the timing a lot and get hit. Not enough to get my ass handed to me but...y'know. But I like this because it gives the battles a sense of urgency even it its an illusion type thing and you can just as easily get through the battles alive and well with taking a few hits.Locue said:As for the combat... well, I still find it easy but I guess I'm biased having played a lot of these type of games. Timing tends to work very well
I actually hate ATB with a vengeance. It's fine when you're fighting easy mobs. (eg. for the whole of FFVII) but for big encounters that actually require some planning it's the most frustrating thang evah. My reflexes are fast enough - I yam t3h uber fighting game mastah - but I'm a control freak, and ATB puts a dent in my planning. I was happy when pure TB made a reappearance in FFX, but FFX was fucking horrible, so, meh.
Locue said:Well, this is Wall Market. It's the first big town in the game <snip> COULD HAVE USED SOME MOTHERLY LOVE BUT MY OWN MOTHER WAS WAY TOO BUSY PLOTTING AND SCHEMING DIFFERENT WAYS TO KILL ME WITH POISONOUS CAKE! I WAS FUCKED UP FOR A WHOLE YEAR!
Radisshu said:Who, by the way, is the only person that Cloud kisses, in the entire game.
Radisshu said:EDIT: BTW, to those who haven't played the game: one of the brothel rooms contains President Shinra engaged in some weird fetish larping act.
Thanks for not complaining because that gives me more reasons to get drunk and write shit.afewhours said:Locue said:Well, this is Wall Market. It's the first big town in the game <snip> COULD HAVE USED SOME MOTHERLY LOVE BUT MY OWN MOTHER WAS WAY TOO BUSY PLOTTING AND SCHEMING DIFFERENT WAYS TO KILL ME WITH POISONOUS CAKE! I WAS FUCKED UP FOR A WHOLE YEAR!
Are you drunk again, Locue? Not that I'm complaining, it makes for some quality entertainment.
Yeah, this is pretty much as good as it gets until we get to... shit, I don't remember, the Gold Saucer? Then we get more boredom. Then it picks up a bit when Cid joins. And then it fucking goes down again like Paris Hilton! It's a difficult game to play. But I'm doing it, man. Don't feel sorry for me.Oh if only all RPGs were like this. In my ideal world, all RPGs would revolve around cross-dressing, homosexuality, and surreal trysts in brightly coloured whorehouses. Add in the Mindfuckery and OH GOD ITS HEAVAN.
If only Square had kept up this level of silliness for the entire game... actually no, that might have started to hurt my brain after a while. Besides, I have Earthbound for that.
MOAR FINAL FANTASY
I feel kinda sorry for you. I guess the area after this is a massive downer, aye? We won't see this level of amusing faggotry until the inexplicable psychadelic Gold Saucer malarky. Oh well, enjoy it while it lasts. Just know you have the 20 hour-long expository cutscene when you escape from Midgar to look forward to. Fnar, fnar, fnar!
afewhours said:. Just know you have the 20 hour-long expository cutscene when you escape from Midgar to look forward to. Fnar, fnar, fnar!