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Nevill

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For God's sake, people.

You are asked a question of 'what did you Jing care most for in this LP his life?', and you are trying to come up with the right answer that would suit everyone.

Even after defeat we can't avoid pushing for the best outcome where we outtrick the demon, instead of answering a simple question for ourselves.
 
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Akkudakku

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Voting H as it truly defines Jing.

EDIT:
Changed to H after actually reading the discuss.

I do hope this saves us/makes us an avatar of Jingness.


And we have all almost all the SWORDS!
 
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I think H defines him better. I mean Jing wasn't fighting for loved ones during the Hundred Man Battle. He also avoided backing up Yunzi during the eight sects battle in favor of protecting some underdogs. It seems he just goes wherever he is most needed, honestly. I also agree it is least likely to be corrupted into some form of madness during possession.

That said, I am still staunchly voting J. Chi You update demands it. And I'm much more interested in seeing where that leads.
 

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And BTW treave uses loaded dice, that has to be it :D

And about the nature of man question, I believe in the first draw of the script TNO was supposed to say 'time', but later on they changed it for some philosophical BS. Because the 'true' answer was only from the man Ravell wanted it to be true, but I digress.
 
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Why are you thinking so hard about that question? It is an easy question. You have no doubts about the answer. You have always been certain, right? The answer has always been one thing and one thing only. There is only one sane answer you can give to such a question.

Saving throw by committee?

I is a pretty tempting choice, but there have been many cases where we have fought for people we don't love: Zhang Minyue being a recent example, the Minamoto clan, Xuxian, and even Chi Qilin before we married her. We also gave up two years of profits for the scholar, risked our lives to kill the son to save Rong Muben, and performed some bedroom-fu to save the life of Bai Jiutian.

So I'm voting for H, but looking forward to discuss.

Also, I was totally right about the possession thing!

treave, if we had chosen A... would we have roared in his face?
 
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We have fought for every one of these things at one point or the other.

We have fought for the Empire and the Emperor, as for the first part of our short life we've been obsessed with duty. Our mission was what drove us forward.

We have fought for the sake of fighting as well, in our first update, even. There was no reason for our duel with Yunzi except for the promise of a good challenge. And we enlisted in every competition we've come across since then, even though it wasn't strictly necessary.

We have fought for justice, too. In Songfeng, and in the Youxia City (no, not that episode, the other one).

For power? Sure. For +1 SWORDS? Absolutely. Why did we cling to our Yuchang sword until the very end otherwise?

For those that depend on us? The case have already been made for that one. For our loved ones? Without doubt.

It is useless to try and come up with a single reason for all the fights you've fought in your life, for there were too many.

In the end it comes down to what did we want to achieve with all of this.
 
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Current Tally so far:

Baltika9 H>I
Esquilax H
Ganymede H>I
Chumbucket H>I
Azira H
Elfberserker H
m4davis H
Akkudakku H
tropic H
Kz3r0 H
Lambchop19 H


Nevill J
Absinthe J


XenomorphII I
Fangshi I
Tigranes I
Tribute I>H
Ifeex I>H>D


Current tally:

H: 11
J: 2
I: 5



Please check the list in case I missed someone.
 
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Kz3r0

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H

treave we sould have ended up possessed even with A?
Besides the toad demon should feel jealous by now.
 

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There is no toad demon essense in us anymore. It got purged by the Eternal Flame, that's why we no longer turn into a toad when poisoned.

But I like the subtle attempt at rationalization. :)
 

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There is no toad demon essense in us anymore. It got purged by the Eternal Flame, that's why we no longer turn into a toad when poisoned..
I didn't know about that, let's take another bath in it and problem solved then.[/QUOTE]
But I like the subtle attempt at rationalization. :)
I should havr stick with my original vote, but is not razionalization, I just see things in a different manner, besides failure is legit as long that is not utterly retarded or caused by voting for the sake of voting.
 

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treave, what no "M. For women."? Or is our hidden HOMO skill too high for that to be an option?

Besides the constant "gotta catch 'em all" harem mini-game, it's always been H.

Shun, Yunzi, Song, Rong, Qilin, Cao'er, Yao, our Shaolin bro, the Minamoto Clan, the list goes on. We fight for those that, in our opinion, need someone to fight for them. They are the ones who depend on us. We even tried to kill Zhang in the woods because he raped a semi-friend and drove her to become a crazy assassin.

We've always fought for others. Not for the Empire necessarily, but for Shun who would rule the Empire, not for the Emperor because we dethroned him and gave his crazy ass to Zhang, not for "the people" because if we had fought for them we'd have killed the pirates, not for the sake of fighting because we've never been as bloodthirsty as Master Zhang and resort to trolling whenever possible, not for justice because we're a dick, not for power because we didn't stay for Yang's training, not for the swords because we didn't try to steal Miss Zhang's sword in the earlier update, not for those we love because we ditched Yunzi for Shun see post below, not for the one we love because we have many "loves" in our harem and we've fought for nearly all of them, not for everything because wtf kind of bs answer is that, not for nothing because shut up that makes no sense.
 
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I didn't know about that, let's take another bath in it and problem solved then.
I am not sure Jing is even in control of his character anymore. I guess the choice we make here will affect that to an extent.

Still, I expect it to burn us to a crisp rather than purify us, because our problem is different from a mere qi impurity this time.

not for those we love because we ditched Yunzi for Shun
But then we ditched Shun for Yunzi. Does it not make them both equal in our heart? :love:
 

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not for those we love because we ditched Yunzi for Shun
But then we ditched Shun for Yunzi. Does it not make them both equal in our heart? :love:
lol I always thought Shun was the greater love. Anyway, I guess I should have said: why did we fight Rong Jr if not to protect Rong Sr? Did we love him too? No. (Though it would explain the high homo skill...)

edit: and if treave adds the for women option as M, my vote will be M>H. I think the demon would make Jing become Rance. How could I not vote for that?

edit: and flopping my pray vote to NO PRAY...unless this kills us or something equally bad, in which case PRAY...
 
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Nevill

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Anyway, while I agree with the broad strokes of your sentiment, our life's journey can be viewed from many different angles.

Lambchop19 said:
not for "the people" because if we had fought for them we'd have killed the pirates, not for the sake of fighting because we've never been as bloodthirsty as Master Zhang and resort to trolling whenever possible
Why and how would fighting the pirates help the people? I've been rereading the discuss from that time not long ago (it makes for an amusing read to go back and see what we thought about things at a time with the knowledge of how they would turn out later. Those discussions were hot, furious and mostly stupid, but also endearing for some reason), and it seems that we have legitimately thought that it would be best for everyone to settle things peacefully - or when it failed, to cause as little harm as possible and take all the blame upon ourselves. Why would the pirates be exempt from the broad definition of 'people'?

We did not just help the pirates. We have solved everyone's problem with minimum bloodshed by puttting ourselves on the line.

And why would fighting for the sake of fighting only be Zhang Jue's privilege? What does it have in common with bloodthirst? First, the man himself mellowed a lot to the point he allowed us to save Armaiti even though she challenged him, and pass up the ultimate SWORDS fight. (Heh, I thought he would corrupt us and change us for the worse, and in the end we ended up changing him instead. Now I feel embarassed about all the fears I've had about him). Second, Jing always was a good sportsman, appreciating a good competition when he sees one. He always liked a fair fight. When we had a choice between doing things covertly at the Young Tigers Tournament, we decided to enlist instead. We did the same at Tufan. And then at the restaurant we chose to fight over the duck with Yunzi just for the hell of it. And then at Shaolin we took part in the gauntlet not in the least because it promised a good challenge.

It is just another part of our nature. We aren't a one-dimensional chinese Jesus, we have had many reasons to fight, both pure and impure, and sometimes we didn't need them at all.

It is not a question to find a fitting meaning to every single fight we've had. I see it as a question of what was the meaning/backbone/guideline of our life as a whole.
 
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Akkudakku

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So are we fighting for those that depend for us or are we fighting for everything then? We had many motivations
 

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It is another part of our nature. We aren't a one-dimensional chinese Jesus, we have had many reasons to fight, both oure and impure, and sometimes we didn't need them at all.
True. But if you had to pick. What's his overriding reason, his strongest reason for fighting? If the choice was between fighting the ultimate challenging battle and saving someone in need, which would you have Jing pick? Would Jing condem someone inncent to die, just so he could have a good fight?

Anyway, either be all relativistic and say everything or make a case for J, but don't come at me saying we're too complicated to have one reason and then pick J as our one reason. You can't have it both ways.
 

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True. But if you had to pick. What's his overriding reason, his strongest reason for fighting? If the choice was between fighting the ultimate challenging battle and saving someone in need, which would you have Jing pick? Would Jing condem someone inncent to die, just so he could have a good fight?

Anyway, either be all relativistic and say everything or make a case for J, but don't come at me saying we're too complicated to have one reason and then pick J as our one reason. You can't have it both ways.
Im voting H , the all encompassing option is too vague. Not fitting a guy with strong drive to do the right thing. For a vigilante like Jing he has a reason and that is to help those that depend on him.
 

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You misunderstand. I am not making a case for anything.

I am just saying that if I was to choose one thing from the list that I absolutely would not be able to sacrifice for any other thing, were all of them on the line, it would be Yunzi.

It is a dangerous feeling to have when you are possessed, but it does not change anything.

It is a personal matter for me.
 
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Im flopping to J>I>H for love...

Also I believe this choice is for what drives us to go on, so the stronger the will to stand up and keep ourself alive for it the higher chance we actualy will.

Having it be true to what Jing ACTUALY does probably helps too.
 

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Voting I.
What happened exactly? I skipped most of the discuss because i dont have much time. I thought we lost when treave rolled?
 

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H, then?

***

The War God’s Tale


Yinchuan, August 1227

The Great Khan stood still, beads of sweat trickling into his greying beard, as his servants strapped on his well-worn, ornate armour. The sounds of men and horses screaming and dying grew ever louder around him. His men. His horses. The lavish tent trembled at the deep roar of the cannons, followed by the high-pitched shattering of fine porcelain cups shaken off the tables. With some difficulty, the servants finished fitting the last piece of his gear, tying it tight around his expanding waist. A life of conquest in the saddle had not fended off the added weight of age. He sighed. Ten thousand battles he has fought, and won them all, yet perhaps there was no moment more dangerous than this one.

“Khagan.” The servants knelt before him – it took two of them to raise his trusty spear; taller than almost any man, in his powerful, expert hands it was a deadly weapon capable of skewering horse and men alike. When his fingers closed around the sturdy, polished wood, the Great Khan felt better instantly. He took in a deep breath, composing himself, feeling the weight of his beloved spear in his hand. It comforted him.

He could hear the shouts growing closer. A man in armour stumbled through the tent flaps, not even waiting to be admitted. At the sight of him, the servants fled. His face was frozen in fear, his eyes frantically spinning around in a panic. He was badly injured, burnt and frostbitten in equal measure; his wounds bled all over the fine rugs of the Great Khan’s tent. The Khan ignored it, in his magnanimity. There were more important things to deal with. “What is it, my general?”

The wounded general gulped at the air, trying to make his report. “Khagan, you must flee now! He… he’s-“ The remainder of his words were left unsaid as his head parted ways from his body, the mouth gaping and closing foolishly like that of a fish.

Pity, the Great Khan thought to himself detachedly, he was a fine general. Raising his spear and spinning it above his head, he let out a tremendous battle cry and swung the spear at the masked man who had just decapitated his subordinate. His strength had not faded with age – he could still wrestle a horse or two to the ground – and the spear severed his would-be assailant at the waist. The masked man fell, guts trailing from his torso. Puffing up his cheeks, the Khan spun the spear again and thrust it behind him. A pained gurgle told him that he had hit his mark – yet another of them had attempted to stab him in the back. “If you are trying to sneak up on me, know that it is foolishness!” he roared triumphantly. The blood surged through his veins, and he felt younger, stronger… more alive than he had ever been in the past two decades.

A third masked man, taller and more menacing than the other two, stepped in from the tent’s opening, gleaming sword in hand. “Very well! Come at me if you dare!” bellowed the Khan as he gripped his spear firmly in a two-handed stance. His opponent did not respond with words, but with only a mocking nod. The fight was quick but furious; though the masked man was an extremely skilled fighter – swift, lethal and tricky – before the Great Khan’s might he too fell, as the Khan finally managed to thrust the point of his spear into the man’s unprotected throat.

The noise of battle continued all around him, but there were no more attackers forthcoming. The Great Khan looked down at his fallen opponents. He could not tell whether any of them were he. Probably not. He was not so naïve as to think that it would be so easy. He stretched his spear out, to unmask his foes.

Then, the wind changed.

The yells of fighting and dying men faded away quickly until there was nothing but silence.

He looked up.

At the entrance to the tent there stood a man, wrapped in a ragged, blood-red cloak and hood. A Han death mask obscured his features.

There was no mistaking him.

The Great Khan’s fingers trembled, and the spear almost slipped from his hands for a brief moment. Still, he was the Khagan of the Mongol Empire. He feared nothing, not man nor ghost… nor god. “You are finally here,” he spit out, finding his mouth terribly dry all of a sudden. “Khun… baryn…“ He could not find it himself to finish his sentence, for some reason.

“Why the serious face, Temujin? I see you have dispatched the three men I sent as the blood price for this raid. I hope you will find it sufficient payment to sate your bloodlust.” As usual, the masked man’s tone was light, his voice young. It had always been that way, even when he returned with the heads of the Khwarezmid’s best cavalrymen in bloody sacks, and destroyed an entire city to demonstrate the Empire’s might. It had always been that way ever since the first time Temujin met him all those years ago, as a boy on the steppes.

Men called him many names: War God, the Tiger of the Steppes, Lord of Battle, the Masked Tyrant; he, who had brought about the end of the once-powerful Tang in bloody conflict, toyed with the rise and fall of the small dynasties in between, and aided the ascension of the Great Khan’s own empire. Of course, Temujin himself was not so superstitious. The man never took off his mask! It could be anyone under there… anyone willing to carry on the legacy of a god of war. That was what he had thought – what he had tried to think, for all these years. Yet, whenever he saw the man in the flesh, he could not help but think, deep down, that perhaps the stories were true.

“Why have you turned on me now, Tiger?” muttered Temujin, his confidence flagging every second he had to face the masked man despite his best efforts to hold himself together. “I thought you were… loyal to me. To my cause.”

The masked man took a few steps further into the tent, and ignoring the Khan’s question, asked courteously, “How is Borte doing? I heard that she was in ill health.”

“S-she is a strong woman,” the Khan mumbled. “She will pull through. Stay where you are. Do not come close to me.”

The War God chuckled lightly underneath his mask.

“You saved my life once before, when I was imprisoned as a young man.” The Khan raised his spear again, pointing it at the man before him. “I thought you my brother!”

“Did you really, now? You, who had taken Jamukha’s lesson to heart?” Another step forward. “Well, I would love to spend time reminiscing about our past, great Khan, but…”

Temujin backed away, looking to his sides. One more step. “You are a traitor!” he exclaimed. "Traitor!"

Laughing, the man took one more step.

The Great Khan let out a triumphant cry, as his fingers fumbled for the string. He pulled it. The contraption activated, and there was a loud bang, louder than any thunderclap, that filled the room with fire and smoke.

The Khan shook his head to get rid of the incessant ringing. He waved his spear in front of him to clear the smoke. He had asked his engineers to set up a hidden cannon near the tent, to lay a trap for the War God’s inevitable arrival. Mysterious and powerful he may be, he was still a creature of flesh and blood. An iron ball flung at tremendous speed would still destroy him like it would a stone wall.

Through the grey, the Khan could see the outline of a figure. Standing.

His heart stopped in his chest. The blood drained from his face.

It was impossible.

As the smoke cleared, he saw it clearly. The sight of the War God, with his right arm stretched out to the side. The ragged cloak billowed all about him while the hood had fallen back to reveal long black hair streaked with white. His fingers were dug deeply into a smoking iron sphere, and his feet had not budged a single inch from where he had been standing. The hand tightened its grip. The solid cannonball shattered.

“I-Impossible. This is… you’re not even… monster…” For a moment the Great Khan almost dropped to his knees in despair, but then he remembered who he was. He would not kneel. He would never kneel, ever again. “Even so… Even so!” he shouted, “You will not find me easy prey, god of war!” Howling in rage, he charged at the masked man. He was taller and larger by far; the War God had always been rather average in build. Using the considerable might of his aging muscles, Temujin swung his spear at the man who had once been his ally, and he roared. “Live or die, today my legend will last forever!”

The shadows around the masked man’s feet rippled.

As easily as a man would take candy from a child, the War God plucked the heavy spear from the Khan’s own hands and sunk it into its owner’s chest.

“It will. Do not worry. I will see to it personally,” he said jovially.

Temujin fell back, sprawling on the luxurious rugs of his tent as he stared fixedly at the long shaft protruding from his breast. “I… I… but why?” He still did not understand. The pain was spreading, as was the crimson pool underneath him.

“For those that need me. Those that depend on me,” came the unexpected answer.

“I… I did…” gurgled the Khan. “I depended… you… who else would?”

The world.”

Temujin breathed heavily, struggling to stay awake. He gave the masked man a puzzled look. The world? What did he mean? As if he understood the meaning of Temujin’s gaze, the War God continued to speak.

“Order and chaos. This is the cycle that ensures the progress of mankind. The world cannot prosper in stagnation. Something… someone is needed to tame the chaos to create order, and to plunge order into chaos.”

“The… world… depends on it?” groaned Temujin.

“Now you’re getting it.”

“You helped my empire… establish order… and now you are to return it to chaos?” The Khan let out a defiant laugh. “Ha! My heirs… my children and grandchildren… they will be good rulers. I know that… Will you go after them next?”

“All in due time, Khagan. They have their roles to play, and I have mine. A hundred years from now… a thousand years from now, my work will still go on.”

“…you have always been such an… enigma, with that silly mask…” breathed the Khan.

“Any last requests?” asked the man unconcernedly.

“…take off that mask… let me see your face…”

“No,” said the man quietly, and more seriously than Temujin has ever heard him. He sounded almost angered. “Thrice have you asked me that question, and the answer will always be the same. I will never do that.”

The Khan laughed. At least, at the end, he seemed to have finally struck a nerve. He could go to the afterlife with that small victory. “Then…” he coughed, “the sky…”

“...Alright. That I can do, Temujin.”

Standing over Temujin, the War God looked up at the roof of the tent. He raised one hand high, palm outward. There was a blinding flash, as brilliant as the radiance of the afternoon sun. The top of the large tent had vanished, disintegrating into glowing embers.

“Ah…” sighed the Great Khan of the Mongol Empire. “The sky…”

It was as blue as he had wanted it to be.

***

The masked man looked up, away from the dying Khan. It was not long before Temujin breathed his last. Giving the dead man one last glance, the War God turned and walked away, drawing the hood back over his head.

Bring order to a chaotic world, and plunge an orderly world into chaos? Fine words, and an interesting sentiment. Still, that was not the whole truth of what he truly felt. Even a hundred years would not fill the emptiness he felt within him. To be needed by people. To be depended on by people. He had already saved the world once, but in a world without strife that need faded. That is why he did what he had to do, so that people would need him again. So that they would depend on him again. Yet it was not enough. He wanted more.

And gradually, he began to envision the cycles of the world, turning in the palm of his hand.

To save the world, and to destroy it, over and over again.

It was… selfless, was it not? Even he was occasionally unsure of that nowadays, when he had once been burning with fiery conviction.

Even so, that emptiness – that hunger – inside of him would not vanish. All the better. His work is not yet done. Raising his head, the War God looked to the west. Past the deserts and mountains, there would be fresh lands to explore… that depended on him to be there.

As he crested the hill, he found his loyal followers awaiting his orders where he had left them, the banner of the burning one-eyed serpent fluttering proudly in the breeze. He looked over them. His loved ones. His family. His friends. Those that needed him the most.

He smiled.

Yes, they would head into the west...


---END---
 
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Nevill

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And now I just have to ask what I and J would have resulted in.

I guess the outcome would not be any more pleasant.

...did we miss our Rance ending? We'd better not miss our Rance ending!
 
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