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Elfberserker

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Guo Fu might spill the beans unintentionally

Lets say that Madam Nie comes to chat with him with seemingly innnounce intentions like giving him family advice and then slowly and subtly gets him to drop pieces of information. The wudang brother might not even notice that such noble matronly woman is fishing information.
Then again it might be my paranoia speaking here.
 

Nevill

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Guo Fu might spill the beans unintentionally
About what, though?

He does not know much, as we've never told anything to him precicely because of his simple nature. Well, that, and he does not need any more trouble when he has a two-year old kid.
 

Akkudakku

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Guo Fu might spill the beans unintentionally

Lets say that Madam Nie comes to chat with him with seemingly innnounce intentions like giving him family advice and then slowly and subtly gets him to drop pieces of information. The wudang brother might not even notice that such noble matronly woman is fishing information.
Then again it might be my paranoia speaking here.
Very likely. He isnt the sharpest tool in the box..
 

Nevill

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So, what did he see, apart from Yunzi that everyone with eyes have seen by now?
 
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Nevill

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That only the Abbott could recognize for what it was, because he was the one fighting it. It looked like a very nicely coordinated joint attack to the onlookers. We didn't even copy the moves, and WQS is not known for this technique, which is why we had to develop it on the spot.

Not to mention that no matter how simple Guo Fu may be, the one who brought the letter to the Abbott about how they should form an alliance behind Wuxing's back is unlikely to talk about the affairs of Shaolin.

You are just making stuff up.
 

Elfberserker

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I guess that stakes are too high.

I kind wanted get know better of Nie family. I mean Nie wuxing is comedy cold when twins enter into picture.
Speaking of twins, we haven't trolled them a single time after our nice introduction during Young tiger tournament. Now that could be comedy gold. :(

Besides information gathering I am interested finding about more about other pugilists, but I guess security trumps curiosity.
 

Tigranes

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I'm still on that side too. For that matter, current vote is AAxA.

I think there'll be a lot of opportunities to troll, find info, etc. as well as risks if we go along with Nie et al., but at least we'll have a good pretext; following along may mitigate some (But not all) risk but also mitigates most of those opportunities.
 

a cut of domestic sheep prime

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I think treave already covered that leting Guo Fu and the Wudang get embarassed delivering a fake sword - when we ourselves know it's a fake - would be VERY bad for our rep. Forest of Quincheng bad. If it's proven we knew it was fake. Don't forget that Shun was spotted running after a certain immortal while carrying a certain sword...
 

Nevill

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No.

The bad part comes from you delivering the real deal right afterwards because you are oh-so-smarter then them all. That's a dick move on your part.

Delivering a fake sword is an honest mistake on everyone else's part. What do you have to do with it?

Anyway, this is unrelated to the vote in question. It is not like A ot B influence that decision one way or the other.
 
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a cut of domestic sheep prime

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Delivering a fake sword is an honest mistake on everyone else's part. What do you have to do with it?
Because you know ITS A FAAAAAAKE! :memechop: and let them go anyway.
Anyway, this is unrelated to the vote in question. It is not like A ot B influence that decision one way or the other.
Uh, no, it does. In A, we go alone and our rep is on the line along with Nie. In B Guo Fu and his Wudang bros are going while we tail them. Judging by how the text is worded anyway.

Screwing over Nie is one thing. Screwing over Wudang and Guo Fu (the guy who saw us with Shun just after the fight while he was still holding the sword, but was too dumb to put things together, then at least) is another thing entirely. I just don't see the need to involve Wudang at this point, especially as we know that Nie's sword is a fake. All we need to do to foil his master plan is wait for it to blow up in his face.

edit: though of course, there is the chance that Nie will murder Jing with poison he's like a sucker. :M
 
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Nevill

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Uh, no, it does. In A, we go alone. In B Guo Fu and his Wudang bros are going while we tail them. Judging by how the text is worded anyway.
Uh, how come that 'in A we go alone'? What exactly changes in regards of handling the matter of the sword between A and B? I thought it was established we are going to present it together, we just choose how to get there (as a group, or separately).

Screwing over Nie is one thing. Screwing over Wudang and Guo Fu (the guy who saw us with Shun just after the fight while he was still holding the sword, but was too dumb to put things together, then at least) is another thing entirely.
Alright. Su Liaojing also saw Shun with the sword. Liu Qi also saw the sword. Are they going to be EVUL DICKHEADS, too, for keeping their mouths shut like they were ordered to? What separates you from those three if you don't go all 'guyse, you are all morans, I have the real thing and I am going to claim all the credit for it!'

Where does the 'screwing over' part come from? How is that your fault?

I just don't see the need to involve Wudang at this point, especially as we know that Nie's sword is a fake.
I think you are imagining that the Wudang won't be going if we will, for some reason. That is incorrect:
treave said:
"As fellow wielders of the Ten Great Swords, it is only fair that we assist you in this task, Master Nie. Is that not the righteous path?”

“Yes, Wudang stands ready to assist at any time.”
 
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a cut of domestic sheep prime

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Uh, no, it does. In A, we go alone. In B Guo Fu and his Wudang bros are going while we tail them. Judging by how the text is worded anyway.
I thought it was established we are going to present it together, we just choose how to get there (as a group, or separately).
Based on what quote?


edit: I see. Well, the current choice's text implies to me that they will not go if we are going with Nie, so that's all I can base my decision on.
 

Nevill

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Based on the fact that this:
A. You argue that this is a gesture from the wielders of the Great Swords, and so it is only fair and right that all of them make the trip to Chang’an to present the sword together. You are aware that not everyone might be able to make the trip, but those who can, should. With such a large group of people – plus everyone waiting for you back on the mainland – it would be near impossible for Nie’s people to pull off anything.
does not contradict this:
B. You will travel separately from Nie Wuxing; you will have Guo Fu and the Wudang contingent accompany them in your stead, while you follow quietly from a short distance behind. You do not want them noticing too many things.
We do not cancel our choice to present it together, but when we choose how to go about it, we let Nie's group go ahead.

That's how I understand it.

Either we all go with Nie and Co., Lingshu and Guo Fu, or we fall behind them. Either way, Wudang are going to be involved.

edit: I see. Well, the current choice's text implies to me that they will not go if we are going with Nie, so that's all I can base my decision on.
Where do you see that implication? They have already agreed to help deliver it together.

Is there something in the text that supports the hypothesis of them not going? For example, Yandi said that he would have to consult his master, first, which is why I don't think he'll be coming. But I don't see anything in this case.
 
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a cut of domestic sheep prime

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Based on the fact that this:
B. You will travel separately from Nie Wuxing; you will have Guo Fu and the Wudang contingent accompany them in your stead, while you follow quietly from a short distance behind. You do not want them noticing too many things.
See, that's the part I see when I read it. The "you will have" part implies actively encouraging them to go and that we would not encourage them to go in A as the text does not appear in that choice. The "in your stead" part implies literally that they are going in place of us - and not that they were going anyway.
A. You will travel together with Nie Wuxing, under the excuse of delivering the Xuanyuan Sword together, as promised. Perhaps you can find out more about their plans by being in closer proximity.
If this said, "with Nie and the others" or "Nie and Wudang", I'd certainly see it your way.

That said, you may be right about them traveling separately. After all, why would they go back on their word? I mean, unless they're just tired from the fight and don't give a care anymore.
 

treave

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Re: herbalism, not likely.

Re: injury knowledge, Su Liaojing and Liu Qi won't freely talk about the cliff fight to anyone. They think it's safer to treat it as a general gag order rather than try to find loopholes about what they can talk about.

Re: Amesha, the only ones they will recognize on sight are Vairya and Haurvatat. It is possible to have the others disguise their allegiance if necessary.

Re: traveling, Wudang will be going regardless. Just that in B they'll also be regarded as your 'representative' when they meet the Emperor, and they'll act to help you gather information since you won't be keeping close to Nie.
 

Nevill

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Well.

If we plan on continuing our journey with Wuxing after Xiangyang, I am afraid we would have to postpone summoning the Guardian of Metal.

I... I don't know if I have the strength to do that. :negative:
 
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a cut of domestic sheep prime

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btw consider this my flop to bringing the MILF and SEXUAL HEALING - if we have to bring anyone.
 

Nevill

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We are talking about how keeping Rob's company is probably counter-productive to keeping secrets.

His manly Zhang-like build is impossible to disguise with mere acupuncture.

It is likely that people other than Shun will connect the dots sooner, rather than later, even if we avoid Wuxing for now. Of course, there is not much of the LP left to talk about, so it might not matter all that much.
 

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