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Discussion in 'Choose Your Own Adventure Land' started by treave, Aug 29, 2013.

  1. obiter dictum Novice

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    I don't understand what the allure of A2 is. So many possibilities for a complete trainwreck. These people are pirates, no matter if they have been forced to it by their circumstances. Going up against Zatoichi-bro is no fun, but anything is better than lolplomacy with people who don't trust us in the first place, and certainly won't now. B could be suicidal and I don't think we need to go all-in in this situation, though.

    C, on the other hand, accomplishes our immediate goal of extracting the daughter's friend, while preserving our future freedom of choice. There's a slight risk someone else will get the pirate leader's head first with this option, but it seems unlikely given the apparent strength of the pirate defence.

    So, voting C. Flop before this goes straight to hell bros.
     
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  2. Tigranes Prestigious Gentleman Arcane

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  3. Flopping to C for above reasons.
     
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  4. Baltika9 Arcane

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    Bottom line is, the other options are trainwrecks, without the "many possibilities" part: B is deliciously Khorne, but I want Jing to live a while longer; while C basically allows a massacre to happen, and not just of the pirates but the pugilists as well. Since their plan is so elementary as "set fire and full frontal assault at night," while the Minamoto exiles stayed up many nights planning and preparing a defense, and have a ninja master in their ranks. It has already been stated that we will not arrive back to the mainland quickly enough to warn the assault team and prevent them from making this mistake so they will basically be walking right into it. My moralfag position was laid out many times over already, making orphans and killing off good people because "laws says it's wrong, sucks to be you."

    That, and we have the chance here to save many lives, on both sides, and I would hate to walk away from that just because "it's none of my business." We're in a position to make this go for the better and I want to take it.
     
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  5. Esquilax Arcane

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    Yes, the Minamoto Clan are no saints either, but this whole excursion is just a tremendous and preventable waste of lives. Yorimitsu would much prefer not to fight, they didn't have any alternatives, and they are honorable people in a desperate situation. Knowing what we know, allowing this pointless, avoidable battle to occur because they are "pirates" is absolutely crazy.

    I'd also like to point out that the diplomacy we'll attempt in A2 has nothing to do with them trusting or respecting us. In fact, it's quite the opposite; we're banking on our reputation being so terrible that we'll be able to cause Zhou Dingqui's assault plan to fizzle out before it begins. What, do you think that the assault team will be eager to call our bluff? I don't think that Zhang has ever bluffed in his life, if they see us with a hostage, they will be expecting us to be dead-serious.

    Once the battle begins, that's it - you can't stop things things until the situation has run its course and you can't reverse it. These are the options that C will provide us with:

    1) Support the Zhou Clan's forces
    2) Join up with the Miyamoto

    In the case of 1) we'll end up providing support to a costly assault against a group of people that wanted a peaceful resolution. 2) is also bad because even if the Zhou Clan's pugilist alliance is eliminated, the Miyamoto Clan are still feared and hated as outlaws. It doesn't solve their predicament at all.

    I'm not saying that A2 doesn't present problems. There might be elements within the alliance that might be unpredictable and want to either commence the assault anyways, or make an attempt to attack us (like Songfeng) but, as difficult as it is, I just can't justify the sort of willful ignorance that C entails. Doing the right thing is hard, and I hope we pull through.

    A2
     
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  6. Absinthe Arcane

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    A2>A1>C

    The martial artists are just going to die attacking a fortified position with traps. Even if man-to-man they happen to be better than the Minamoto clan, I reckon the Minamoto clan is the better in group combat. Besides these martial artists aren't too good and they'd be whittled down before they even reach the enemy.

    Diplomacy is doable because Zhou's daughter will lend her reputation to the effort, Jing still has a high speech skill, and Xiahou Yu has a high scholarly knowledge. With our positive Yuhua Hall rep, they might mediate as a neutral party. (Also, Yuhua Hall is less concerned about honor, more discrete, and has useful contacts.) The pirates are all for a better solution than being pirates, so this looks doable.
     
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  7. Tigranes Prestigious Gentleman Arcane

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    If it hasn't come up, by the way, the very fact that we went there on our own without any authorisation, with Zhou's daughter (or if we lie, without, but still, coincidentally around the same time she was taken hostage), and apparently discovered super ninja dude and a super well defended place, which coincidentally we now want to help negotiate a compromise....

    We're gonna be going really uphill on this one.
     
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  8. Baltika9 Arcane

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    Indeed, this will be fun as hell to pull off. After all,
    Jing is wise in the way of the bro, and the teachings of BLOBERT.
     
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  9. Nevill Arcane

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    It's not like the girl we try to save, bitter about us killing her friends in C, would let the secret of our visit to the island slip, right? The very same visit after which the pugilists find the place significantly better defended than they had expected, and end up losing a good deal of their people.

    At least if A2 succeeds, there would be no lives lost to pin on us.
     
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  10. Absinthe Arcane

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    A2 doesn't mean we make a hostage out of her. It just means we also have that option.
     
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  11. treave Arcane Patron

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    Sorry, just haven't had the time to sit down and type, too many different obligations popping up at the same time. I believe A2 still has it? The update should be out within 24 hours.
     
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  12. Azira Arcane Patron

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    :dance:I take all blame.
     
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  13. treave Arcane Patron

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    Cove Confrontation

    “What is the meaning of this?” asks Zhou Dingqiu, standing at the head of a hundred fighters. They had been forced to change their plans upon spotting you awaiting them at the cove where the pirate ships had been moored. Instead of coming onshore quietly to scuttle the ships, Zhou had decided that his element of surprise was likely lost. Of course, it was lost from the start. “When you didn’t showed up, I thought something like this would happen. Have you taken the pirate leader’s head before us?” asks Master Gong. You shake your head. “Nothing so easy as that. I’m here to warn you,” you say. “It turns out that the pirates have already known of your coming from the start.”

    “How could they have-“

    “If you’re going to advertise your recruitment publicly in the city, anyone would know about it,” you interrupt. “I’m afraid that pressing on right now is only going to result in pointless deaths. They are prepared for you.”

    “It doesn’t matter, does it? Unless you’re a coward,” taunts some nameless Songfeng disciple.

    “It matters because this fight appears to be rather pointless,” you say.

    “How so? You seem to know something we don’t,” remarks Zhou Zhideng, the scion of the Zhou clan. He seems worried that things are not going to plan. You nod and begin to explain what you have found out, carefully leaving out his daughter’s plan so as not to incite any more unwarranted excitement, as well as Yorimitsu’s offer of a reward. After you have finished, Zhou sighs deeply and says, “A strange story indeed. I am not sure what to think, having sailed all the way out here.”

    “It’s all a lie! He’s failed to take their leader’s head and now he seeks to scare us off doing the same so that he will not lose face!” shouts one of the pugilists. “Don’t fall for Man Tiger Pig’s lies! He’s only backpedalling now because he put his own reputation at stake!” A chorus of agreement echoes amongst the crowd, such is your reputation for trickery that they are eager to believe you are not telling the truth.

    “If you do not trust me, I can show you the village, and their people. I can arrange for an audience with their leader, too,” you offer.

    “He’s just going to lead us into a trap!”

    “Yeah, don’t trust him! I say we go ahead and show him the power of the orthodox sects, doing what he has failed to do!” As one the crowd surges forward, but when you fail to budge even an inch in the face of their advance, their steps falter. You grin.

    “I will say this – if you go forth, you will die, and I will not even have to move a finger.” It is not a lie. The Minamoto had already set archers in position, having spotted the pugilists’ approach from far away. They would have been met by a hail of arrows had they proceeded with their original plan of setting fire to the ships. Thankfully the archers seem to be disciplined enough to refrain from a volley until you have exhausted your options – but if you fail to turn them away here, you have no doubt they will fire.

    “Please, listen to him, father! Brother!” The young lady of Zhou Manor, Zhou Zixia, runs out besides you. The scholar runs after her, helplessly asking her to wait. This wasn’t the time for her to make her appearance. Zhou Dingqiu’s face darkens when he sees his daughter. His son steps forward, surprised. “Sister! What are you doing here? I thought-“

    Zixia tries to support your story, but she is drowned out by a shout from her father. “Enough! This is shameful behaviour indeed! Zixia, come over here. This is no way for a respectable lady to behave – you promised me that you would stay obediently! And you, Xu Jing, I thought better of you. I suspected that she might try asking you for help with her foolish errand, but I did not think her actually silly enough to try, and you disreputable enough to accept!”

    “Father, perhaps it was nothing more than coincidence. We should reconsider-” begins Zhideng, but Zhou Dingqiu shakes his head angrily. “This has shamed our entire clan. I must apologise to all the brave fighters here for showing such an embarrassing side of our family. Dirty linen should not have been aired in public.”

    “That is alright, Master Zhou,” says Master Ji awkwardly, “but what do we do now?”

    “The pirates have broken the law, and caused suffering,” he replies. “That is the truth. For these foreigners to come to our land and pillage our property is inexcusable, no matter what reasons they may have. This is not their country.”

    “Down with the foreign devils!” shouts a Songfeng disciple that you mark and decide will go down first when the fighting starts.

    “Will matters be solved with just my life alone?” To your surprise, Yorimitsu appears, stepping out of the darkness in full battle regalia. His uncle does not seem to be anywhere nearby, but you have no doubt that the man is watching and ready to strike. Unexpected things are happening faster than you can respond; this is not what you had in mind. “I am Yorimitsu of the Minamoto, leader of my people on this island. The responsibility is mine to bear. If I fall here, will you judge justice served?”

    “Why would that be, young man?” snorts Master Gong. “We have no guarantee your people will not continue to pirate. Who would trust the word of a pirate?”

    “Not even if I lay down my life to bind an oath?”

    “Your oaths have no value to us, Wo,” says Zhou Dingqiu. “This problem must be solved, and solved decisively. When the grass is cut the roots must be plucked. The Imperial Court has expressed their desire to clean up the coast and free the people from the plague of piracy. Though they are not able or willing to do it directly, as loyal subjects the orthodox sects are more than willing to do it on the Emperor’s behalf. I am afraid this can only end in one way.”

    “Is that so?” murmurs Yorimitsu, his hand laid on his sword. The crowd tenses. You rather suspect arrows will begin flying at any moment.

    “If you fight now, your daughter will be caught up in the fighting,” you point out.

    “You-“ grimaces Zhou Dinqiu, his expression full of anger. “Are you threatening me?”

    “Of course not! I would not dare, Master Zhou,” you say. “I am merely pointing out something to watch out for.”

    “A daughter that would rebel against her father to such an extent is no daughter of mine,” he scowls, though you can tell he does not mean his words. Still, he seems resolved to go on the attack. “For that matter, Xu Jing, why are you siding with these Wo? Are you betraying your own country?”

    “I am not siding with them,” you reply, “merely trying to prevent needless loss of life. Would you serve your country better by continuing to live, or by bleeding out here by the sea? What can you accomplish if you drive these people to extinction? Will there be no more raids? Of course not. There will always be pirates.”

    “That is right,” Xiahou Yu speaks out, having found his courage from somewhere – you stare at him as you catch a whiff of just where he had found his courage. Hopefully he had not partook of too much courage. “Even if you stamp out these pirates, more will come. Can you hire boats every month, every year, trying to keep them under control? Piracy is a symptom of the greater disease that ails our empire, not a cause. It is not the pirates we must strive against! It is those who have strayed from the Will of Heaven!” Ah, yes. He definitely took too much. You resist the urge to bury your head in the sand. Even though you agree with him, this is not the time and place to speak out against the government.

    “Treason! He speaks treason!” screams the pugilists.

    “They have betrayed us to the foreign devils! Gut them all!”

    It looks like this will all spiral into a fight rather soon. Yorimitsu is on edge, as are the pugilists. “I thank you for your efforts,” mutters the young Minamoto leader, “but it seems that it was a lost cause in the first place. You have my apologies for getting you involved in this – my own judgment was lacking. You should leave now. I would not ask you to turn your sword on your own people. I will arrange for your payment, so do not worry about that.”

    ***

    A. You accept Yorimitsu’s offer and leave, returning Zixia to her father. You will have no part in what is to come. Best to retreat and let them sort it out themselves; you have no obligations to them. It seems that the idea for this campaign actually originated from within the Court; you are under no impressions that they are a monolithic bloc, but as you have no idea of just which factions are behind this and what games they are playing, you do not want to get involved any further.

    B. You take Miss Zhou hostage to force all attention back to you. From there you can dictate your terms. It is unlikely that you can force unilateral retreat, but a challenge would be acceptable. You are still a member of the jianghu yourself, and they will find it hard to turn down. The best way would be to challenge all of them – one at a time, all at once, they can come at you however they wish. If the pirates kill even a single pugilist, things will never be salvaged. Of course, if you mess up you are probably dead.

    C. You decide to fight alongside the Minamoto pirates to repel the pugilists. It is probably safer and less risky this way for yourself, and it would result in less loss of life in comparison to letting them sort it out themselves. By ending the fight decisively at the cove and turning them away before they get deeper into the island, you can minimize the bloodshed.

    D. You decide to fight alongside the pugilists, turning on Yorimitsu and taking his head. You are close enough to do so quickly, before any intervention can happen. This is for the best – with a brutal show of force, if you are on the side of the pugilists, you could at least prevent an outright massacre from happening when they descend upon his womenfolk and children.
     
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  14. Baltika9 Arcane

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    I knew we should have put the Songfeng in their place with a good asskicking. Wonder where Yu got the booze from.
     
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  15. Kipeci Arcane

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    A>D
     
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  16. Baltika9 Arcane

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    It's time to establish our own fearsome rep and get a ticket into the Black Dragon Society. These pugilists are either useful idiots of imperial politics or busybodies. Either way, Ii don't feel compelled to side with them and Miss Zhou is surely distraught at her father's words. I say we give her a hug.
    Let them come at us, B.
     
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  17. ERYFKRAD Barbarian Patron

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    Let us sell ourselves dear.

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  18. Kipeci Arcane

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    I'm pro killing everyone and setting up our own training island. I guess B cuts to the chase faster there, since we'll be slaughtering our former allies pretty good if we don't get killed ourselves.
     
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  19. Baltika9 Arcane

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    Make that option E: kill everyone on the island. And then have Yu make a painting for Master Zhang.
     
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  20. Kipeci Arcane

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    'Kill everyone' would probably mean that we'd be forced to train our arts skill by making a painting out of his blood.
     
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  21. Kashmir Slippers Magister

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    That went about as well as expected. Will vote later.
     
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  22. Baltika9 Arcane

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    Now that I'm behind a keyboard, I can explain my reasoning for B in more detail: it is the best way to salvage the situation away from a massacre after Miss Zhou fucked it up with her untimely appearance. After the first few idiots get killed by our fists, the extreme majority will turn around and run in fear, leaving only the most stubborn and/or courageous of fighters there, like Songfeng. Master Zhang's reputation helps us in that, these people weren't really sure what to make of us back in the Manor and that trepidation is still present here and all we have to do is show that we mean business. As a bonus, the Minamoto do not become a bigger threat in the public eye because it was us, Xu Jing, that kicked everyone's asses off the island and the pirates will be yesterday's news, leaving them mostly undisturbed and undamaged until we can get Shun on their trail. What that does is get us access into the seedier underbellies of the jianghu, like the Black Dragon Society (yeah, they would love to have us if we pull off B).
    Next, this "Coalition" is definitely either being catspawed by someone from the Imperial Court, and since it puts the orthodoxes into a favorable light and paints the State as complacent 'tards, it definitely isn't one of Shun's plots and it doesn't really work to his benefit (unless he decided to screw the whole "rule China" thing) it's not something he'd like to follow to it's planned conclusion. Or they are just over-eager gloryhounds that decided to curry favor with the government by doing it's job for it.

    And finally, I sympathize much more with the honorable and intelligent (to a fault) leader of the Minamoto, than this "Coalition" and it's leadership. Seriously, after Yorimitsu's display of loyalty, I have not a single doubt in my mind that this man is a true bro and would never, ever think of betraying our trust after saving his clan.

    I suppose I could go for C if it's winning over B, though it's not optimal. D isn't a good idea, I think. We're not getting back into Papa Zhou's good graces anymore, because listening to and helping his daughter put us firmly into his shit list and judging by the reaction of the pugilists, they will interpret this as another sign of our weakness and cowardice at having to face their superior numbers. All around, not the best thing for us. A is just bullshit.
     
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  23. Kipeci Arcane

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    Why do you think they'd love us for our actions in B? We'd make ourselves a pretty infamous and hated character, which might just draw a little too much attention to us. In fact, Songfeng might well hire them to take us out; killing a few dudes of theirs will probably push us to a -100 there. Maybe if this was in that group's interests it would be different, but our actions are only supporting relatively powerless pirate scum with powerful political enemies in both China and Japan. It's not some sort of smart, strategic move-- it is, however, probably the most Zhang Jue of any action we can take.
     
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  24. Baltika9 Arcane

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    Who, the BDS? It won't make us loved by them by any means, just one deed is not enough, but it will give us a definite "in" with them: one man holds off a pugilist force of one hundred and fifty people with his bare hands? Defending pirate scum? "Young man, how do you feel about kingslaying and regicide?" And all we need is a solid ticket into their organization to start working from, our skills and the stealth tricks we pick up from Ninja Master will help us there.

    As for assassins of the Imperial Court, well, let them come for us. It just gives us an opportunity to hone our skills and interrogate them on their employers, bringing us that much closer to the real enemy without doing any legwork of our own. No, I do believe that B and the reputation it brings will open some very interesting and unusual paths down the road. With Shun and the Frathouse (I really doubt they will condemn us for this, especially Miecao, once they analyze the situation and realize that, no shit, we saved two hundred people from killing one another by killing just one or two dozen) working out in the open and us in the shadows, we'll nail the conspiracy.

    And I think A is the most Zhang Jue thing there is. Low-class pugilists fighting low-class pirates? Meh, whatever. I'm not amused, see you losers later.

    Edit: wait, Songfeng and Master "HONORU!" Rong hiring assassins? I think we'll sooner commit assisted suicide by challenging us to a duel than resort to hiring assassins.
     
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