Esquilax
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Lambchop19, I think you're trying to spin this situation to make Yorimitsu look like the bad guy. Personally, I think it's rationalization; if you can use some mental gymnastics to make the Minamoto Clan look like the pirates that we initially thought of them as, you don't really have to worry about any tricky moral dilemmas along the way. Okay, what more could they reasonably offer as an olive branch? Offering the head of their leader in return for peace seems to be really generous in terms of what they could reasonably offer, and if the pugilists are not willing to accept those terms, then the Minamoto are better off fighting. I just don't see what these people could possibly have done differently, given the circumstances.
With 1 LCK, bad shit will happen at the worst time, that's just the nature of the beast. They did collaborate, Scholarbro just seems to have gotten drunk at an inopportune time while Zixia fucked up the plan. Bad timing is bad luck.
As for your point about ranged combat, I disagree. There are about a hundred pugilists out there, and considering the Minamoto are more concerned about them at the moment, and the surprise factor of Jing turning on their leader, they probably won't get us right away. Jing is also a very fast fighter, so I find it unlikely that they'll even be able to hit him if he's got his neigong and qinggong active and giving him AGI 10.
I don't see why you're so convinced that the pugilists will still be beat: they might be green, but they still have an overwhelming advantage in terms of numbers. I'm not counting out the Minamoto, but it's very clear that even if they do win, they'll take huge losses along the way.
In any case, it's a minor point overall; there is absolutely no doubt that B is much, much more dangerous than D is. But I see a lot of benefits in the long-run if we manage to come out of B in one piece (though we'd make many new enemies as well).
Frankly, I don't like what treave pulled in this update. I would reckon that Jing, the girl, and the scholar should've actually collaborated on a plan for persuasion. Instead that got sidestepped and all of a sudden the scholar in the middle of fucking pirate island somehow gets enough liquor to get wasted and ruin diplo while the girl demonstrates a serious lack of good timing. It's like the three of them came together, decided there's something really big they needed to accomplish, and just nodded instead of coming up with any ideas.
Here is what I don't like about voting A:
We just tanked our reputation, now we get a worse reputation for leaving, and if Yoshimitsu loses his head (which he is way too eager to stick out on a silver platter) we lose the challenge to boot. To top it off we will probably get blamed for the loss the sects are about to face, and if word gets out about our reward from the pirates, then well...
Here is what I don't like about voting C:
We get fucking hated by the orthodox community and the law. We basically become a pirate as far as they're concerned.
Here is what I don't like about voting D:
Jing cannot handle ranged combat or ninja(s). And I still don't see how the sects are going to win this.
With 1 LCK, bad shit will happen at the worst time, that's just the nature of the beast. They did collaborate, Scholarbro just seems to have gotten drunk at an inopportune time while Zixia fucked up the plan. Bad timing is bad luck.
As for your point about ranged combat, I disagree. There are about a hundred pugilists out there, and considering the Minamoto are more concerned about them at the moment, and the surprise factor of Jing turning on their leader, they probably won't get us right away. Jing is also a very fast fighter, so I find it unlikely that they'll even be able to hit him if he's got his neigong and qinggong active and giving him AGI 10.
I don't see why you're so convinced that the pugilists will still be beat: they might be green, but they still have an overwhelming advantage in terms of numbers. I'm not counting out the Minamoto, but it's very clear that even if they do win, they'll take huge losses along the way.
In any case, it's a minor point overall; there is absolutely no doubt that B is much, much more dangerous than D is. But I see a lot of benefits in the long-run if we manage to come out of B in one piece (though we'd make many new enemies as well).