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Discussion in 'Choose Your Own Adventure Land' started by treave, Aug 29, 2013.

  1. Absinthe Arcane

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    It doesn't matter. We can't do much against the ghosts and running into the dark sounds like a bad end. Our only choices are how we want to interact with the ghost, so I think polite interaction is better. There's also the point on the last page that Jing is being lured into the A vote at which point bad shit will happen.
     
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  2. Baltika9 Arcane

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    There's an equal argument that Jing is being lured into the B choice with a Ghost Mind Trick, which I personally think is stronger, Jing is lecher and not a gentleman. But this is the "ghosts fucking with our mind" speculation, we have no idea if it's true. Maybe our guy is just spooked?

    And yes, it does matter, if we knock on the door and get approached by it, if by some chance it is hostile, there goes our chance of escape. If we peek on it and get spotted, at the very least we get a three second head start. If it turns out the ghost is friendly and acts as a normal human being, the worst it will do is screech and yell (...or rape punish us for being a bad, bad boy.)
     
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  3. Nevill Arcane

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    How do you negotiate with a ghost? What do they like, what do they dislike, what pleases them and what offends them - Jing does not have a clue about any of it. I don't know whether CHA is the right tool for the job, or if our enhanced PER is better suited for it, allowing us to spot some oddities in her appearance, behavior, or her manners that would help us understand who she was in life and maybe put her spirit to rest. At the very least, it would help if we could describe the ghost to the exorcist - maybe he would know how to deal with it then.

    And I still think that just looking at the ghost is less dangerous than trying to interact with it.
     
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  4. Baltika9 Arcane

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    We type and come up with all kinds of different theories, but that doesn't mean they will be right. We can cover ten possibilities and have this turn out to be possibility eleven. Bottom line is, we don't know squat about squat when it comes to ghosts, ergo it is smarter to observe and learn.
    That, and I want to hear her singing for a while longer, perhaps it will jog Jing's memory. This has me intrigued, but it could be the mansion just screwing with us.
     
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  6. Absinthe Arcane

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    There isn't any weight behind that. We acknowledged that we are being lured to the room, but between the choices, the only choice that sounds like you are being influenced is the A choice. Avoiding B is just a sign you're scared of straightforward options. On the other hand A has all the vibes of trying to create justifications for an inexplicable urge to peep on a bathing woman, which doesn't sound right for an intelligent and composed man like Jing.

    That's highly debatable. Jing's lechery has had little to do with his sexual appetite and more to do with other benefits, which doesn't make him a lecher but an opportunist, which he is. And favoring good behavior over this crap is just plain decent fucking sense. Your logic sounds like you want to be the guy who goes to bars, leers at women, gets on all fours, and sniffs their butts because "holy shit man being a gentleman is not my style. I'm a lecher!" even as it results in a beatdown and a permanent ban. Consider the possibility that decent sensibilities and a decent upbringing can result in deciding to be a decent human being when appropriate.

    He is spooked, but since this is a ghost story we can acknowledge there's more at play than that.

    Dude, the head start doesn't matter much. Jing has 5 agi now, and then we run off into the darkness of the haunted mansion. If you want to run, just run now and exit the ghost's story. Otherwise, max your chances of diplomacy success by voting B. Don't half-ass with a side of "seriously pissed ghost" by voting A. Also, even hostile ghosts can respond politely so long as you are polite towards them. Politeness protocols are serious fucking business, especially when it comes to dead spirits in Chinese mythology. And even a friendly ghost can turn hostile if you commit a serious taboo, which A would be.
     
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  7. Nevill Arcane

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    A is the straightforward, true-to-his-nature option for our character. In fact, B is so uncharacteristic for Jing that it is №1 candidate for the "under the influence" option.

    Of course all of this is just nonsense and finger-pointing. "You are playing in the ghosts hands!" "NO U!"

    > inexplicable urge to peep on a bathing woman
    :lol:

    And what if I don't want to run and don't want to engage in ghost diplomacy without knowing a single thing about them?
     
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  8. Anabanana Augur

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    Yeeeeep. A is classic "peek on the ghost girl -> die horribly for being a perv" ghost story narrative. That said, in B all we'll be hearing is the girl's voice, if she even responds, so I'm thinking we're going to get a conversation that sounds perfectly normal and reasonable BUT IN ACTUALITY IF WE COULD SEE HER SHE TURNS OUT TO BE SOME KIND OF MONSTROUS BEING CRAAAP. A is most likely to anger her out of all the options and will probably lead to some kind of ghost fight, but might give us some useful information from the visuals she presents us, even if it's an illusion. Then again that's true of B too.

    I guess it's useless to talk about C now since nobody's going to flop to it.

    Overall, though I can kinda see the merits of A for information-gathering purposes, I'd rather take a risk with ghost diplomacy in B, because we can gather information that way WITHOUT angering her. Forgoing the chance to potentially see what is inside the room is a risk I'm willing to take; and who knows, depending on how the negotiations go, we might be able to see that too.

    brb editing my original post
     
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  9. Absinthe Arcane

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    I already provided several counterarguments to this perspective Nevill. You'll need a better counterpoint than "but I still think you're wrong."

    Then look to the cost/benefit of each action.

    The obvious explanation is as useless as Jing is avoiding it.

    Then grow a pair of balls.
     
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  10. Nevill Arcane

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    It seems like I've made a mistake. Correcting now.
     
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  11. Anabanana Augur

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    Re: Jing's sexual appetite

    I don't think anybody can deny that he's a horny teenager, I mean just look at all those orgies with the palace maids, but there is a time and place for horniness and in the middle of a haunted mansion is not it. Hello, there are bloodstained nooses dangling right above our heads.
     
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  12. Nevill Arcane

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    I'd question the quality of the information you can not verify. It does not appear that the place is friendly, and we will be angering her/whatever it is behind the kidnappings regardless - we have the exorcist with us for that very purpose.

    After Zhang's training he is rather unamused by this stuff.
     
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  13. Baltika9 Arcane

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    Yeah, and we were taught by the Southern Maniac, stalked and punched tigers in the face and just took on a hundred pugilists (and won!). Jing always had a lowered sense of danger and isn't quite all there (which is to say, he's crazy) so I could totally see him going for A.
    To be fair, so will you. Your claims and speculations are no more valid than anyone else's without any backing, which none of us have. Fear-mongering with "A WILL PISS HER OFF AND WE DIE!" is possible, but so is "B IS A TRAP AND WE'LL DIE!"

    Like it was said previously, I'd rather get a better understanding of the situation. And listen to that rhyme of hers a little more, since it's so familiar to Jing.

    Edit: The Brazilian Slaughter, the tussle is between A and B now, which one do you want?
     
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  14. Absinthe Arcane

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    Aye, that's what it seems like to me too.

    You'll have to forgive us if after choosing to enter a ghost story, when our first option is "...walk away?", we're not particularly enthused about it. Also his instincts warn him against it and he has a new Spiritual Instinct (Reikan) ability, so I'd like to think there's something to the instinct.

    My claims are backed by my interpretation (which is echoed by others) of the unusual phrasing of the A choice. Possibility of dying (which I didn't quite say - don't put words in my mouth - there is a master exorcist here to mitigate our fuck-ups, so we most likely won't actually die) is backed by the presence of bloodstained ribbons and nooses. Also, it seems like the A train is largely founded on fearmongering that "B WILL PLAY INTO HER HANDS AND WE DIE!" or "JING WOULDN'T POSSIBLY THINK OF B SO CLEARLY IT'S BAIT AND WE'LL DIE.", so if you want to look beyond that, by all means do so.

    And my counterpoint is that it's more productive to just talk to her without offending her first.
     
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  15. a bear named spigot Arcane

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    You've convinced me, dude.

    B.
     
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  16. Anabanana Augur

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    Take into account the possibility of illusions being part of the spirit's repertoire. One of the most classic tropes in Chinese mythology is demons presenting themselves as beautiful women to deceive and seduce human men.

    Let's not pretend that A and B have an equal chance of angering her here. Really. On one hand, you're peeking on a young woman bathing; on the other hand, you're just knocking and attempting to engage in conversation. The former is what would traditionally get you punished in a typical ghost narrative - but then again, if you think that getting a solid look in is worth the risk, than that's your decision to make. Personally, I wouldn't risk it.

    Hmm, now I'm wondering if this situation has any relationship to Changfeng... being betrayed by men seems to be a common thread here.

    See the wording of choice B again. But I don't put much stock in what people think what's in character or not for him anyway - if the option is there, it's something that he would do. treave's said as much before.
     
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  17. Nevill Arcane

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    Ok, let's suppose so. It does not mesh well wth you next argument, however.

    What does it matter, if that is an illusion anyway, and there is a demon behind it? Actually, isn't it worse to talk to a demon that wants to deceive you?

    If it isn't an illusion, I am willing to take that risk for the information it provides.

    Yu would laugh his ass off at us for missing such a chance.
     
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  18. Anabanana Augur

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    Oh, it meshes perfectly well. Imagine that it's a demon, who's, say, been wronged by a horny guy in the past and this is a test of sorts to see whether or not we're a horny bastard who should die horribly. *shrugs* Recall the whole "ALL MEN SHOULD DIE" spiel way back at the beginning of this LP from a woman who had experienced deep suffering at the hands of a guy who couldn't keep his dick in his pants? Think that, but with more GHOSTS and MAGIC.

    If it's going to deceive us anyway, I'd rather choose the route that is less likely to turn them immediately hostile. It might also be more open to dialogue if we approach it directly, and give us a bit more background (ghosts tend to like talking about their grudges, you see).
     
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  19. Absinthe Arcane

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    Are you seriously saying that if a demon is out to seduce you into a grave, it is worse to establish polite dialogue than to leer upon her naked visage?

    Anabanana is also raising a point I've been wondering about throughout this ghost narrative: that our interactions with the ghost will have repercussions when we find Chanfeng or the Black Dragon Society.
     
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  20. Nevill Arcane

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    And I guess if we aren't, it would say sorry and let us go, like it did with the others. Dude, it kidnaps people, and not because it wants to check their libido. It does not mean us well, and I doubt we would part cordially. If everyone until this point, no matter how different they may have been, incurred its wrath, the problem might lie not in the manner in which they had conducted themselves.

    I recall no 'diplomacy' with WiB who had started the whole "ALL MEN SHOULD DIE" thing. Why should there be now?

    I could only see the point in contacting the girl if she is an entity separate from what is causing these incidents. But then, if she isn't a malevolent ghost, we just risk spooking her with our voice and risk being left with nothing to show for our efforts.

    If it is going to deceive us, I'd rather not give it a chance.
     
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  21. Baltika9 Arcane

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    This is more ridiculous than "DRAGON!" "NO, GOAT!" "TSUNDRABBIT 4 LYFE!"
    Demons, punishments, ghosts that want you to watch them bathe? WIBs? Let me guess, the Imperial palace is also involved, right? Or is that Yunzi inside?
    If there's anything I learned about CYOAs is that basing your vote on baseless speculation doesn't end well. Where is this coming from?
     
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  22. Absinthe Arcane

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    ...So you're voting C now?
     
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  23. Nevill Arcane

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    Don't ask me, I am just trying to answer hypothetical questions.

    The only thing we know for sure is that no one have returned from this place yet. That makes active contact with its inhabitants somewhat less desirable.

    But who can resist the lure of a pet sphere ghost?
     
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  24. Anabanana Augur

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    Mmhmm, and of all things they could've shown to us, they present us with a scenario of "naked bathing young woman". Nothing to do with sex at all. Nope.

    So you're arguing that whatever choice we make here doesn't matter, then?

    I'm not saying that B is going to get us off the hook, just that it seems the least likely to make the ghost go immediately hostile. It might at least buy us some time and give us more information with which to make our decisions.

    If she IS indeed just another human girl, which I doubt since all the people kidnapped have been young men, why would knocking and talking to her in a normal, polite voice spook her? Actually, either A or B would work just fine since she's human and presumably harmless.

    A might be an illusion. We've been over this.

    Huh. That actually reminds me. If it was going to kill us and eat us (demons' typical MO apart from seducing guys they find attractive), wouldn't it have done so before now? The fact that we didn't wake up inside a large steamer or boiling wok of oil means that they wanted to have this encounter, and our response to the situation does, in fact, matter.
     
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  25. Nevill Arcane

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    I meant that it have managed to find faults with everyone who had been here so far, if it needs to find a fault to begin with.
    It is a malevolent ghost that kills or traps its victims. If it forcibly puts people through its 'test', and everyone fails at it, that means the 'test' is just an excuse.

    No, I am arguing that it not worth trying to appease it, if what is inside this room is the culprit. If so, then yes, as far as our relationship with it goes, it does not matter. I certainly didn't choose A to have a theme for a conversation with it.

    That's just fear-mongering. If anything, C looks much more like it, but I doubt any choices here are outright game-enders.

    I don't think it can influence our mind to such an extent - so far its tricks were more subtle. And B does not even need to be an illusion to be useless/false. But I guess this is just going in circles - everything that is being said here was already said before.

    No, I don't think she is human. But it may be another ghost, different from what have been kidnapping the villagers. Maybe there are two ghosts, the girl and her lover. Maybe it is the place itself that is killing them, and the girl is innocent. This is just speculation, but the point is - there are ways for her not to be directly responsible for this mess.

    Or it simply can't, and there are conditions that have to be met first. I don't want to do anything with the girl, I just want to have a look at her and the room she is in. No talking, no entering, a quick look and a retreat, if possible.
     
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