Azira
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Cao'er.
We saved his life from other government agents. And the only reason we bought his debt is so that he could lead us to our target. Again, the choice is between an (admittedly) honest government agent that you have known for a couple of weeks and the said government is responsible for:We saved his life once and paid his way out of debt bondage the second time. There's a pretty serious debt of honor involved there, but only as long as our intentions appear honorable.
Oh, I know what you mean. A dominatrix that loves to place her heels on his neck and never lays down her whip would be a wonderful fit for our masochistic character.Baltika9 said:Aww, poor Jing. He needs a woman of the spirit to make it all better and fix his broken psyche.
If you know who I mean.
Way to spoil it!Baltika9 said:Yunzi, of course.
Kissing the toad leads to the same conclusion. You can probably make a good guess where 15 places you.
Yes, which means 'we' =/= 'them'.Zero Credibility said:We saved his life from other government agents.
No. Just no. This was the only unanimous vote in the whole LP. The only one. Just think about it.Zero Credibility said:And the only reason we bought his debt is so that he could lead us to our target
That's why I asked treave what is it that we are going to do about it. We aren't going to hunt Changfeng down, we want her to talk. Everyone would be better off if she talks, and Yu should know there is another way to go about this, the way that can put his love out of harm's way.Zero Credibility said:that agent is now saying that he is also hunting your love (that has also saved your life) and the only remaining thing you care about in your life. Really, who in this position would choose the government agent?
You don't need to be a brilliant schemer to not advertise the fact that your are a secret government killer to every person you know for less then a week or that gives you funny feelings when she beats you up, especially when said persons have openly declared other loyalties that conflict with your own. As long as Jing is not a complete idiot he'll do just fine. Well, certainly much better that he would do otherwise. Seriously, we have known the scolar for a couple of weeks and the girl probably for less in total and we are ready to share with them our greatest secret, that we didn't share with Coa'er or Yao, both of who were much more closer to us than these two. And unlike Cao'er and Yao we know these two have conflicting agendas. There's trust between comrades, and then there’s this.The issue is more complicated than you make it out to be, Zero Credibility, see my earlier post as to why I'm confident Yu will gibe us the benefit of the doubt.
Well, Going with C3 for now, time to get our team together. Jing isn't a brilliant schemer and liar so the truth will come out when we meet Changfeng later. That will be a much bigger betrayal of both their trusts and will definitely be the final nail in the coffin against Yu and probably Yunzi.
Bear in mind our hero here is technically a victim of sexual abuse as a child. He's not going to be all that right in the head when it comes to matters of the heart.
Can't have any comrades without any trust though. The truth will come spilling out at the BDS, in fact we'll probably be placed in a nasty situation where we either keep our secret or someone gets hurt/forever hates us. An assassin society thrives on shit like this.You don't need to be a brilliant schemer to not advertise the fact that your are a secret government killer to every person you know for less then a week or that gives you funny feelings when she beats you up, especially when said persons have openly declared other loyalties that conflict with your own. As long as Jing is not a complete idiot he'll do just fine. Well, certainly much better that he would do otherwise. Seriously, we have known the scolar for a couple of weeks and the girl probably for less in total and we are ready to share with them our greatest secret, that we didn't share with Coa'er or Yao, both of who were much more closer to us than these two. And unlike Cao'er and Yao we know these two have conflicting agendas. There's trust between comrades, and then there’s this.The issue is more complicated than you make it out to be, Zero Credibility, see my earlier post as to why I'm confident Yu will gibe us the benefit of the doubt.
Well, Going with C3 for now, time to get our team together. Jing isn't a brilliant schemer and liar so the truth will come out when we meet Changfeng later. That will be a much bigger betrayal of both their trusts and will definitely be the final nail in the coffin against Yu and probably Yunzi.
Yao and Cao'er didn't have anything to do with the conspirators. Yu does. It is his business, and that is why we need to discuss it with him.Zero Credibility said:Seriously, we have known the scolar for a couple of weeks and the girl probably for less in total and we are ready to share with them our greatest secret, that we didn't share with Coa'er or Yao, both of who were much more closer to us than these two.
And yet "we" are looking for his girl, just like "they". And we are looking her for treason - what should he expect from us when we find her?Yes, which means 'we' =/= 'them'.Zero Credibility said:We saved his life from other government agents.
I'm pretty sure that the info he had also more than played into that decision. After all, why else would we be tracking the woman in black right now, if not for that reason?No. Just no. This was the only unanimous vote in the whole LP. The only one. Just think about it.Zero Credibility said:And the only reason we bought his debt is so that he could lead us to our target
People like Yu as a character, and Jing likes him, too.
That depends. If his lover has stopped or is willing to stop working for the group causing the problems (certainly possible form what we have heard so far), then get what she knows and let her leave with the scholar. If his lover is still a part of the problem, then we would quite probably need to fix that, but in that case no amount of honesty now is going to help is securing scholar's loyalty. The only thing telling him all about us does is add the potential problem of him leaving to warn her about us.That's why I asked treave what is it that we are going to do about it. We aren't going to hunt Changfeng down, we want her to talk. Everyone would be better off if she talks, and Yu should know there is another way to go about this, the way that can put his love out of harm's way.Zero Credibility said:that agent is now saying that he is also hunting your love (that has also saved your life) and the only remaining thing you care about in your life. Really, who in this position would choose the government agent?
Just tell me, are you voting for betraying him later? Because if you don't want to betray him, it's best to clear up everything with him now.
Exactly, They were not connected to the conspiracy, yet we didn't share anything with them. They were safe, they had nothing to gain by betraying us. These people are connected - and when I say connected I mean they are connected to the other side, not ours - and we share our deepest secrets with them?!Yao and Cao'er didn't have anything to do with the conspirators. Yu does. It is his business, and that is why we need to discuss it with him.Zero Credibility said:Seriously, we have known the scolar for a couple of weeks and the girl probably for less in total and we are ready to share with them our greatest secret, that we didn't share with Coa'er or Yao, both of who were much more closer to us than these two.
And Yunzi is... well, Yunzi. You are a bit late if you wanted to keep secrets from her.
We never did any of these things you listed. Yu is smart enough not to hold him responsible for the crimes of others. As for our own deeds, they've been mostly noble. Besides, we're not out to kill Chanfeng right now. We just want answers for the most part. Certainly, killing can be an option, but if we handle diplomacy right, it won't need to be, and if we handle it wrong, we are in no condition to fight anyway. Failing diplomacy is a terrible idea.We saved his life from other government agents. And the only reason we bought his debt is so that he could lead us to our target. Again, the choice is between an (admittedly) honest government agent that you have known for a couple of weeks and the said government is responsible for:
1. killing your entire family
2. driving you from your estate
3. trying to kill you personally
and that agent is now saying that he is also hunting your love (that has also saved your life) and the only remaining thing you care about in your life. Really, who in this position would choose the government agent?
Not if he thinks it's possible to foster a diplomatic solution, which is what we're going for. We're in no condition to fight and we want answers.Still doesn't change the fact that she saved him. If the situation was reversed, and she was trying to hunt us down and possibly kill us, you think scholarbro wouldn't come and warn us? I trust that he would, and that's why I pretty much think he'll try and warn her or get in the way of us killing her if it becomes necessary.
And where did you get an idea that we are going there to kill her? Did you just purpusefully ignore everything that treave said?Anabanana said:He's not going to stand by and watch us kill her, as Zero Cred said, no matter how upfront we are with him.
To be fair, he considers both as extremely close relationships. If anything, he will probably try to reconcile us. In the end, I trust Yu.Still doesn't change the fact that she saved him. If the situation was reversed, and she was trying to hunt us down and possibly kill us, you think scholarbro wouldn't come and warn us? I trust that he would, and that's why I pretty much think he'll try and warn her or get in the way of us killing her if it becomes necessary.
Well it's then good I didn't say we did it. But the fact is we are going to identify ourself as an agent of the same government that did do that. My question is - would you trust such a person? That you have known for two weeks and he now he says he's hunting the only surviving person in your life for treason?We never did any of these things you listed. Yu is smart enough not to hold him responsible for the crimes of others. As for our own deeds, they've been mostly noble. Besides, we're not out to kill Chanfeng right now. Certainly, it can be an option, but if we handle diplomacy right, it won't need to be, and if we handle it wrong, we are in no condition to fight anyway. Failing diplomacy is a terrible idea.