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[Azira]

Why a reload? The toad demon essence makes Jing react ... differently to poison. I don't see why it would per se necessitate a reload.

 

[Kipeci]

It would also be awkward if they poked their heads out while you are making out with someone.

We do have an eye patch, you know. That's beyond the strength of most critters small enough to be placed in our eye to move.

And stealth upgrade for our Qinggong is rare.

In the sense that stat upgrades are rare, yes, but we run into potential stealth upgrades for the Kuanglang Step just about the most frequently out of any of them. On the other hand, we've never seen any skill that allows us to command animals to do our bidding, and treave said that this would be much harder to come by than another stealth upgrade.

Considering the source of our neigong upgrade, wouldn't a toad be more fitting? A toad could also hurl itself out of Jing's eye socket under its own power (they do tend to be pretty good at hopping), as opposed to being plucked out and thrown.

Treave said that we could call on the animals to fling themselves out and attack, and mentioned worms when he did, so evidently it's not a problem of throwing these guys. That said, I'd be fine with just about any critter in there. Jing needs a pet!

Anyway, if the toad poisons us then we just become a big toad, get our neigong back, and hopefully are force fed our talismans before we do much else. If a smoke bomb goes off in our head, well... ouch.

 

[XenomorphII]

CCB

 

[ERYFKRAD]

If a smoke bomb goes off in our eye safely, that'd be like some weeaboo Blackbeard or something.

 

[treave]

Also, I get the feeling that high levels of Ruanhong combined with a decent qingqong would let us pull off spiderman webslinging moves.

Improving offense, improving defense, disabling enemies without killing them... hell, we could take to wrapping people up and hanging them from things Spiderman-style if Jing thinks it's amusing enough.

Man Tiger

?

 

[ERYFKRAD]

Inb4 flopping for Man-tiger-spider-pig-toad-pokemon.

 

[Kipeci]

I just don't get it. We have the chance for a Wudu specific move that could be developed to the point of us leading an army of spiders, and we're willing to ditch that for a relatively nice yet still run of the mill upgrade that treave said we could get elsewhere for a tad of extra stealth on a mission where treave said that it wasn't too much of a factor.

 

[Tribute]

For example, you'd have been offered an upgrade that made Kuanglang Step increase agility and unarmed from Wudang had you completed that particular questline.

Qinggong upgrade that boosts AGI and Unarmed? We should make an effort to nab this at some point in the future if possible, especially if we're stilll interested in buddying up with Wudang. Combining that with the steel spidersilk technique (if we pick that one) would make Jing pretty terrifying. It would also be nice to learn some less-murderous Unarmed techniques, and Jing's pretty good at improvising together interesting new styles and techniques based on disparate techniques he's picked up from a variety of places.

Of course, combining ridiculously high AGI, really good qinggong, qinggong boosting unarmed fighting ability, use of spidersilk during combat, and Jing's tendency to troll and taunt his opponent would basically turn us into Ancient Chinese Spider-Man at that point (especially since it's already called "Crimson Spider Silken Ropes"), but hey, it's a really effective combination. Jing would probably look good in red, too. It's dashing and heroic (especially given the color red's connotations in Chinese opera and suchlike), and would go well with the eyepatch and our roguish good looks. That and it would be amusing to out-Dashing-Hero Bai Jiutian. And when we don't, hey, wearing red hides blood pretty well.

 

[Smashing Axe]

Screw it, I'm flopping. Spider-Man-Bear-Pig time

 

[Anabanana]

Yeah, I'm flopping to spider pig too, especially if stealth isn't going to be crucial in the emperor quest.

 

[Tribute]

Would this be a good time to point out that red and blue would specifically indicate heroism and bravery (from the red), and loyalty and steadfastness (from the blue)? Xiahou Dun, for example, is usually represented by a mask that's primarily blue (because his loyalty is his main defining characteristic) with a bit of red (because he's also brave and valorous). For reference, white indicates a villainous, sinister, treacherous, crafty character, which is amusing considering Bai Juitian.

Of course, this is from opera, and I'm not sure how far the connotations extend.

 

[treave]

It's not like you will immediately fail the quest if you don't have 8 stealth, but that doesn't mean it's not important or helpful. All three Wudu choices will give you different options during the mission, some better, some worse, but the bad ends won't originate in this particular update, just like how things played out in Youxia City when you opted to listen to the proposal.

 

[ScubaV]

Guys as much as +1 Per with a technique sounds lame I think we should take it. This is probably the only way in the CYOA to boost it outside of a flat stat increase. Many of you downplayed the loss of our eye by citing Yorikawa. Well this is it. I also agree that we seem to get a lot of opportunities to boost our stealth so I'm willing to sacrifice that for now. Along those lines I like the spider silk as well. It gives us a nice non-lethal technique that also has defensive applications. Neither are as sexy as elite stealth but I think it will pay off well for the emperor kidnap and Fire Cult showdown. Longer term we may have more chances to boost stealth again.
CBA

 

[Nevill]

I also agree that we seem to get a lot of opportunities to boost our stealth so I'm willing to sacrifice that for now.

They are equally as rare as the other opportunities. You won't find the spider silk technique outside of the Wudu Cult, but you won't find a Qinggong technique that emphasizes stealth anywhere else either. Same with Reikan vs Kagemi - the only source of these is Yoriwaka. If you believe you can learn Kagemi later, why don't you think the same about Reikan?

And Qinggong upgrade is the only technique that raises our physical stats in time for the tournament. That is something that would allow us to keep up with the rest of them, and especially with Yunzi.

Besides, seriously, who wants to listen to all this 'if only we had more stealth' crap again? 'If we had more stealth, we would have totally snuck inside the Yuhua Halls'. 'If we had Kagemi, we would have totally infiltrated the BDS fortress'. 'If we had Kagemi, we would have totally ignored Bai Jiutian and gone for the secret harem choice'. Not me, that's for sure.

 

[Nevill]

In other words, I have no fucking idea what build you guys are going for.

treave, a question. Are you uncertain about what kind of character we want to play, or were you talking about the martial arts specifically?

Because I think the first part was kind of established by this point. We have chosen the troll/trickster archetype options somewhat consistently in this LP. 'Hi, I am Guan Shide, a merchant. Don't mind the pig mask, I am just shy!', 'I am just a wandering trader selling condoms and I am absolutely not searching for one of your employees', 'How's your daughter Zixia doing?', 'Open up, I am with the secret police!' are all good examples of our approach to the problems we face. Naturally, I think a training in both stealth and artistic skill would reinforce this and help bring it on a whole new level. What we are doing here seems consistent with the character to me.

As for the martial arts, since we are unorthodox and currently away from our master, we get what we can, ending up with a mish-mash of different techniques from every corner of the world that somehow work quite well together. The only definite thing here is that our future is one of an unarmed specialist.

I would appreciate more unorthodox moves that would catch our opponents off-guard, though, without being utterly dishonorable (and thus getting in the way of GLORY). How well does a web technique translate into boosting offensive or defensive capabilities, as the description suggests?

 

[Jester]

B B>C A
for me
1 C is bit to awesome for the likes of us and no spectacular A fails for today pls.
2 A and B seem interesting from writing perspective and B and C from usefulness point. I expect that B can be linked with PP and Perc like thrown needles for girls enjoyment and freezing, much better than average binding potential. C main point is that sweet 11 Agi for posible maximum show off in Junzi fight and point in sneak.
3 A seem like choice if you dont go for maxing sneak skill. B +2 sneak what else to say?

 

[Nevill]

Inb4 flopping for Man-tiger-spider-pig-toad-pokemon.

Anything to drive BJ even more crazy after our inevitable death!

 

[TOME]

1C would be awesome if we could pull it off but it is the YOLOTIGER route so I'm steering clear. I think we should do as Shun wants and go troll his brothers.

BBB>ABB. If 1C wins, I flop to xCB.

 

[Tribute]

On the subject of the spidersilk technique being "relying on the Wudu Cult’s specially treated spider silk", I assume they're going to teach us how to prepare it ourselves? If we're dependent on them every time we want to get more then the technique's utility diminishes somewhat. I imagine we'll be horribly killed if we pass on their secret techniques without permission, but that's standard for sharing trade secrets from a group of unorthodox professional killers.

On the subject of using it against the Fire Cult, how resistant is this steel-silk to being burned away? What sort of skills would be necessary to make it more fire-resistant? Would Xiahou Yu, Cao'er, or Chi Qilin have the necessary knowhow to do this?

 

[TOME]

That will take place soon after this side-quest concludes.

Side-quest? I thought this is main quest.

 

[Azira]

On the subject of the spidersilk technique being "relying on the Wudu Cult’s specially treated spider silk", I assume they're going to teach us how to prepare it ourselves? If we're dependent on them every time we want to get more then the technique's utility diminishes somewhat. I imagine we'll be horribly killed if we pass on their secret techniques without permission, but that's standard for sharing trade secrets from a group of unorthodox professional killers.

On the subject of using it against the Fire Cult, how resistant is this steel-silk to being burned away? What sort of skills would be necessarity to make it more fire-resistant? Would Xiahou Yu, Cao'er, or Chi Qilin have the necessary knowhow to do this?

Pertinent questions.

 

[treave]

treave, a question. Are you uncertain about what kind of character we want to play, or were you talking about the martial arts specifically?

Mainly the latter, but how you fight also influences how the character progresses. Still, the options you mentioned mostly involved talking and bluffing? The stealth skill didn't apply there as far as I recall, and even if you had 10 stealth I don't think it would have contributed to those bluffs.

I can see that the adjutant is being turned into a rogue, though. Still won't be as good as the real deal, the lack of sleight-of-hand cuts out many crafty options. The high stealth and lethal combat potential makes him suitable for assassination missions against soft targets, so that's one job he can excel at.

I would appreciate more unorthodox moves that would catch our opponents off-guard, though, without being utterly dishonorable (and thus getting in the way of GLORY). How well does a web technique translate into boosting offensive or defensive capabilities, as the description suggests?

At initial levels you can shape it into a guard or a vest for defense, or wrap your hands in it to harden your hits. Rather basic. More intricate patterns may be possible eventually.

 

[treave]

On the subject of the spidersilk technique being "relying on the Wudu Cult’s specially treated spider silk", I assume they're going to teach us how to prepare it ourselves? If we're dependent on them every time we want to get more then the technique's utility diminishes somewhat. I imagine we'll be horribly killed if we pass on their secret techniques without permission, but that's standard for sharing trade secrets from a group of unorthodox professional killers.

On the subject of using it against the Fire Cult, how resistant is this steel-silk to being burned away? What sort of skills would be necessarity to make it more fire-resistant? Would Xiahou Yu, Cao'er, or Chi Qilin have the necessary knowhow to do this?

You shouldn't run out of it any time soon, but even if they taught you how to treat the silk, you can't gather the special silk from the relevant spider without knowing the Five Poisons Taming technique. So you'll have to source it from Qilin if you deplete your stock, seeing as it's an either-or choice here. She is not likely to give it for free, so you'll probably not want to spew silk everywhere like it's going out of fashion.

It's durable enough to last against normal attacks, and even if it breaks you can repair it to a certain extent should you gather it up.

As for heat, neigong of Yunzi's level likely won't harm the thread, but there's no guarantee it'll last if some of them turn out being able to throw fireballs all over the place. It's probably possible to research upgrades, but it'd take a long time to improve on the current formula.

 

[Fangshi]

Hmmm, A does not seem too terribly interesting, better to leave the actual murdering to profession murderers I think. B has potential in that it would be fun to turn Jing's trolling techniques loose on a bunch of self-important princes.

However, I believe only one of the options to truly be worthy of a man like Jing and that is C. If there is one thing I love it is a good con, conning Youxia city would have been magnificent, here we have the once in a lifetime chance to con all of China and I can not in all honesty vote against it.

The spider silk technique strikes me as a good all round ability and it would give us nice nonlethal offensive and defensive techniques, though C is also good. It comes down to specialization versus diversification and I am inclined to try and improve what we have got rather than constantly grabbing new abilities, still the silk could be quite useful so B for now maybe flop to C it will depend.

For the last choice B, it would definitely help to be a bit sneakier if we are going to make a habit of stealing emperors. Though the extra perception would also be nice.

CBB

 

[Tribute]

So don't go leaving it behind if we can help it, then. As far as "Qilin is not likely to give it for free", does this mean we're going to have to do favours for her every time we run out, or could we come to some sort of reciprocal arrangement? She likes us well enough, and I imagine we probably have some skills that would be useful to her.

if we are going to make a habit of stealing emperors.

Considering the next one would be Shun, I hope we don't make a habit of it.