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Discussion in 'Choose Your Own Adventure Land' started by treave, Aug 29, 2013.

  1. Baltika9 Arcane

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    And to avoid further complications, all of his sisters must be sent to Zhang Jue's island as his handmaidens.
     
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  2. ERYFKRAD Barbarian Patron

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    Serpent in the Staglands Shadorwun: Hong Kong Pillars of Eternity 2: Deadfire
    Beating the fuck out of demons is well and good, but how fares the Master against horses? It's very important.
     
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  3. Rex Feral Liturgist

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    And what if the madman attacks and we have an option to distract it while Cao'er helps Qilin escape and then escape ourselves? If Qilin is injured we might not both make it out alive without Cao'er.
     
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  4. Baltika9 Arcane

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    Because it's so easy to heal others in pitch darkness with a Megadeth stage prop chasing after you, amirite? Qilin is an extremely agile and quick girl, if falling with Cao'er is survivable, then Qilin definitely made it down there without any problems. And so will we, most likely.

    Besides, no way in fucking hell are we fighting this guy alone: he can fight blind, has greater neiggong and strength than we do, and is totally bonkers to boot. Coe'er would only slow the otherwise quick party down.
     
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  5. ERYFKRAD Barbarian Patron

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    If he's blind, then his other perceptions are probably enhanced, should we try to overload them or something?
     
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  6. Nevill Arcane

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    He is not quite chasing after you, though.

    It is a matter of splitting the team, which I am opposed to.
     
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  7. Rex Feral Liturgist

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    The scenario I had in mind is not to fight him, but more like taunt him, dodge his attacks and evade him while Qilin, aided by Cao'er, escapes. Then we can run away as well. Sure fighting in the dark would be troublesome, but I have a feeling we'll be doing it either way.

    In my scenario, if Qilin is hurt or worse unconscious and the monster attacks us, we're pretty much fucked. We either ditch Qilin and get away, or try to kill the monster which is a bit harder than trying to dodge him.

    Outrunning him seems like the only way we can get past him.. And it'll be a lot harder if we have to carry Qilin with us. Dodging and evading seem like would work since he is in a frenzied state. Attacking him seems unadvised since he could block even Ying's super fast attacks.
     
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  8. Nevill Arcane

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    Or, you know, just try to talk to him. He has some semblance of consciousness left, enough to identify the Emperor and only target him and his escort.

    Now that we are away from Taisheng and are no longer protecting him, there may not be a reason to fight. We'll see how it goes.
     
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  9. Baltika9 Arcane

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    In that same scenario of yours, where Qilin is injured and Cao'er is with us, we are also running the risk of injuring ourselves to soften her fall, which she wouldn't be able to heal quickly in pitch darkness without meridians. Next, taunting this dude is a horrible, terrible, idiotic idea: he just collapsed the whole upper level with just one blow to the walls, he knows this place by memory and can fight blind. No way in hell are we taunting him to buy anyone time. Lastly, a healthy Jing has enough strength (8) and speed (9) to hightail it out of the damn place with Qilin on his back. She's not all that heavy, if we could perform acrobatics and stealth in Qingcheng School with Cao'er, we can do so here.
    Again, this is assuming Qilin got injured in the first place, which I simply don't think is true.
     
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  10. Fangshi Arcane

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    If it turns out that we can talk to him we could use a guide through the tunnels. Without Gao we could wander for ages in these tunnels but the prisoner probably knows them fairly well. Perhaps we can aid one another? We will have to see but it would be better not to endanger Cao'er as well.
     
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  11. Rex Feral Liturgist

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    Madman diplomacy? :D

    But you make a fair point, if the emperor is the attractor, as treave says, why would it attack us now that he is no longer with us ?
     
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  12. Nevill Arcane

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    Since we chose to do the horror flick and go through the goddamn tunnels... why anyone thinks that splitting the team is a good idea? It's a staple for a reason.
     
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  13. ScubaV Prophet

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    Madman diplomacy. I think you may be on to something here...

    :smug:
     
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  14. Baltika9 Arcane

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    Not if she stays with the secret police and GTFOs to get us help from the outside, while we keep the distinguished prince occupied with a civil conversation.
    Not like there's more than one here...is there?
     
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  15. Fangshi Arcane

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    Because this is an action flick not a horror flick and the hero has to save the girl by himself?

    Anyway, dividing the group serves several practical purposes while dragging her down with us just adds one more thing for Jing to worry about.
     
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  16. Elfberserker Liturgist

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    Cao'er would only follow us or Qilin, if we let her go. She has no reason to be loyal to current emperor or shu, but she has plenty of loyalty towards us and Qilin. Furthermore I think that splitting party is always a bad idea, even more when said splitting isn't planned. Cao'er seems to be decent fighter and great healer, which we need to survive without support and we don't exactly know what kind of condition Qilin is.
     
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  17. Fangshi Arcane

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    If she jumps back in after us it will still give us time to properly land instead of shielding her with our body and she will have more time to prepare her landing and we may be able to catch her.

    But really if both choices led to Cao'er following us then the choices would probably be presented differently. We just have to tell her that we need her to look after the Emperor and get help for us, she will listen and that way someone will know we are in the tunnels. I mean if we drag her down too then Gao could just leave us all down there, and if we can not find a way out we are screwed.
     
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  18. Rex Feral Liturgist

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    I kinda considered Cao'er would figure her way out of this place with her high perception, though I didn't account on how will we get out. I also consider the madman rather slow and clumsy, although strong and resistant. We can't fight him that's for sure, but he didn't seem particularly fast or agile, so dodging his blows or evading him doesn't seem too hard. Then again I pressumed the madman some ordinary monster that attacks only small, defenseless groups, so I might be wrong on this one too.

    This I agree on. I would hate to put her into danger. Though if the madman goes after them and the emperor, she would still be in danger. If Ying would take her hostage as a leverage against us (though I doubt it) she would be in danger. If she jumps after us and gets hurt in the process, she would be in greater danger than if we would just fall together with her.

    What I also don't like is that we don't know how deep is the pit. We might get hurt from a little to rather badly should we fall with the intention of shielding her.
     
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  19. Baltika9 Arcane

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    Until you throw in one detail: fighting completely blind against the Terminator. We can't really dodge well in those conditions, and one hit is all that he needs. Besides, this is unfamiliar ground to everyone except him, so even with 10 PER, Cao'er wouldn't know where to go. Best case scenario is either her or Qilin have good luck, but then we're left in there alone and fucked.
     
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  20. Fangshi Arcane

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    Well on the bright side the prisoner fell into the hole so if he tries to follow them we just have to follow him to get back out.

    He could but I am having trouble coming up with a motivation for that. I mean from his perspective we may well be dead and even if we are not he can't keep her forever. I think if we phrase it properly, like a "last request", then he will honour our wishes. He does seem to have a code of some sort.

    A definite possibility but she does have amazing PER, she could probably find a safer path down the hole then she will be forced to take clinging to us. As a general rule if you have to fall then it should be a planned fall not what will happen if the two of them drop together.
     
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  21. Elfberserker Liturgist

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    That is only, if she lands near us. lifting her up means she has to follow us in blind darkness and leaves her landing up to chance, while taking with us means she is surely next to us. Furthermore, if I understood correctly that right now the collapsing is happening and leaving her with Gao ther migh be chance that collapsing floor seals us and Cao'er to different place.

    Yes we will be hurt and monster has all the advantages over us, but we don't have to fight the damn thing and it has pressure points. There is also strength in number and perhaps Jing, Cao'er and Qilin can come up better plan than Jing and Qilin alone. Honestly I am not sure which one is correct path, lifting Cao'er up is more Jing like in its suicidal heroic way towards his comrades and we trust Gao, while keeping her with us implies that we don't want to be apart from her and we don't trust Gap
     
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  22. Rex Feral Liturgist

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    Meh, you all make fair points. So fair, I find myself torn between choices.

    Thing is we're going completely blind here. We don't know what will be down there. We don't know where and how Qilin is. We don't know if Cao'er will jump after us. We don't know what Ying's intentions are. We don't know what this monster is capable off or what it's intentions are. We don't know how hard it will be to navigate through the maze of tunnels and if Cao'er would be really helpful or someone to worry about. We don't know a lot and there are advantages and disadvantages to every choice. It looks like a choice we would make mostly on instinct rather than logic.
     
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  23. Baltika9 Arcane

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    Not necessarily on instinct rather than logic. I see no reason, emotional or rational, why we should place Cao'er in such a shitty situation in B: completely blind in the tunnels (making her Immortal Eyes rather useless), a likely injured Jing whom she can't heal and a mercurial and nervous Qilin; all against a psychotic maniac that just slaughtered half of their escort and has perfect knowledge of the tunnels. Thing is, I think that two talented fighters at full health, like Jing and Qilin, stand a much better chance down there by themselves. They are good fighters, they are quick and well conditioned. Jing's hearing is pretty good to go by, so a third inexperienced person who has never been in life-or-death situations like these would be a liability. Which is why I consider A to be the best move: we're acrobatic enough to make the jump without injuring ourselves too badly, good enough to link up with Qilin and proceed from there.
     
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  24. Fangshi Arcane

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    You sum it up nicely Rex Feral and perhaps the choice really is that simple. When faced with the unknown and his own potential death, what would Jing do?

    Will he try and save Cao'er by letting her go or will he drag her down with him.

    Maybe the answer is as simple as that.
     
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    He'd be willing to risk himself, he wouldn't want to drag Cao'er down with him.

    For that matter, bringing Cao'er down with us more or less amounts to abandoning the mission to save our own hide, which is... not very Jing.
     
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