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Esquilax

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How could we cause a diplomatic incident? Everyone, except Yunzi, thinks we are a just a lone fighter from central plains. They are going to declare war on maniac island commit a mass suicide of their own people?

I think this is slightly more accurate.

Anyways, a Han fighter going to a foreign country, entering their competition with presumably their best fighters, beating them, then refusing their offer of a handsome reward (marrying into royalty is a big fucking deal) because we just wanted to fight and we don't give a fuck about their customs is incredibly insulting. The Tufan Kingdom would hate us, and it would probably be much harder to publicly maintain a good relationship with folks who are trying to maintain a good relationship with them (i.e. the Fire Cult). So if we go into this, we either have to participate with the intention of throwing one of the fights leading up to it and hoping that nobody realizes that we're taking a dive.

So let me get this straight. Basically, you guys vote B, because you don't want to marry a princess and that we won't be given a choice to drop out? Yet we have no quarantee that we will win (eight sect aren't the only participant here), we don't know a thing about the princess (could be bad, could be better than Yunzi, Cao'er and Qilin combined), and even if we might win, we can always throw the towel or skip town before the wedding.

We might miss something if we are competing, but we might just as well learn something from it that we might otherwise miss. Shun already has better spies than Jing scouring the town for useful information, but he won't have anyone participating in the tournament, so why not have Jing participate?

What is it that you guys are afraid of?

You're right and I agree with the point Kipeci made earlier; the Eight Sects might not be sending their best, but the Turfan Kingdom most definitely is, so I'm sure that good competition will be around. As for throwing the towel, I suppose some of us are afraid that we'll be going in with the intentions of marrying the princess, and because we left our training early and came here specifically for Yunzi, I don't want to go after some princess that we haven't ever met, regardless of how great she might be.

As for other spies, Gao Ying might be around, yeah. I guess I'm not confident that the Codex will drop out at the appropriate time - I think that with Jing and Yunzi's history, the two are made for each other. Gotta catch 'em all!
 

Baltika9

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From what I can tell the main reasons for participating are "because it's there", and "so we can add the princess to out harem".
How about keeping our options open?
Doesn't work that way: if we commit to the tournament here and now, we will pass up on other opportunities out in town and with Yunzi. We can't split our attention between two different things and expect to be equally successful at both. bottom line, most of us came here for Yunzi. Now that Yunzi is here, let's go chat her up and see what's what (I'm in favor of this regardless, I don't want to shit in her plate by ruining plans we didn't know were in motion) and then just chill with her. Yunzi time>everything else this city can offer.

And, no, us losing with the awesome stuff that we have in our arsenal probably isn't going to happen, unless we do so intentionally.
 

treave

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Codex 2012
Part One

Esquilax - B > A3
Kipeci - A3
XenomorphII - A3
Nevill - A > B
Kashmir Slippers - A2
Rex Feral - A1
Elfberserker - A2 > B
profreshinal - A2
Fangshi - B
asxetos - B
Baltika9 - B
TOME - A2
Anabanana - B
ScubaV - B
Jester - B
Lambchop19 - A1 > A2
Sunnmøring - A2
Tigranes - B
Smashing Axe - A3
Tribute - B
Ganymede - A2
Azira - A3

Current tally:

A - 1
A1 - 2
A2 - 5
A3 - 4
B - 9

***

Part Two

Esquilax - C
Kipeci - C > B
XenomorphII - B
Nevill - C > A2 > B3
Kashmir Slippers - B
Rex Feral - A1
Elfberserker - A3 > C > D
profreshinal - B
Fangshi - C > B3 > A3
asxetos - A1
Baltika9 - C
TOME - A2
Anabanana - A1 > C
ScubaV - A3
Jester - A2
Lambchop19 - A1 > A2
Sunnmøring - A2
Tigranes - A1
Smashing Axe - B
Tribute - C > A2 > A1
Ganymede - A2
Azira - B

Current tally:

A1 - 5
A2 - 3
A3 - 2
B - 5
C - 6
 
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Kipeci

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From what I can tell the main reasons for participating are "because it's there", and "so we can add the princess to out harem".
How about keeping our options open?
Doesn't work that way: if we commit to the tournament here and now, we will pass up on other opportunities out in town and with Yunzi. We can't split our attention between two different things and expect to be equally successful at both. bottom line, most of us came here for Yunzi. Now that Yunzi is here, let's go chat her up and see what's what (I'm in favor of this regardless, I don't want to shit in her plate by ruining plans we didn't know were in motion) and then just chill with her. Yunzi time>everything else this city can offer.

And, no, us losing with the awesome stuff that we have in our arsenal probably isn't going to happen, unless we do so intentionally.

Except for that we know that spying alone will grant us less information than participating in the tournament will and furthermore we have the same option to visit Yunzi whether or not we take place in tournament or go it alone. If it turns out that we need to not be here at all, it's easier to bow out of the tournament and go with what she wishes us to do than it is to join up late. All of you were giving this big talk about participating in the tournament as being half the reason you were coming, as well as Yunzi. Since Yunzi is a constant either way in the path we can take, why not actually go on the tournament right now and pick up some of the Tibetan martial arts?
 

Kipeci

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Hey, treave I think I changed my vote to say that I'll flop to any leading A vote for the first part of the choice? If not, I'll change it right now. A3 > Ax (probably A2 from the looks of this).

I suppose some of us are afraid that we'll be going in with the intentions of marrying the princess, and because we left our training early and came here specifically for Yunzi, I don't want to go after some princess that we haven't ever met, regardless of how great she might be.

That's double the princess for the price of one break. What a bargain!
 

Tigranes

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B, A1 for now.

Look, come on. The first choice shouldn't be this contested. We came here for Yunzi, and then we want to enter a competition to marry some random chick we've never met that is part of the most 'Other' faction in the setting, and yet our exact personal aims for doing so are completely unclear. In contrast, for the second choice there is at least one overriding interest - get in touch with Yunzi or show our presence - and secondary interest in getting information from her.
 

Smashing Axe

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I see no reason for deception, we're going to be found out quickly enough regardless due to the Orthodox sects' presence.

Also, we'd benefit Shun quite a bit by marrying this princess. A familial hostage is always good to have.
 

Kipeci

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We came here for the martial arts tournament, missing out on getting in the Fire Cult and their techniques so that we could bother Yunzi and compete. If we're not going to compete, what was the point when she was going to come back soon enough anyway? We can throw up the match or go with the plan if we want, but this is a great opportunity to pick up on Tibetan techniques now that Jing is skilled enough to come up with some counters and attacks on the fly.
 

Kipeci

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treave, a question. You appear to be keeping a seperate tally of the A votes, is that being kept as a seperate vote? Say that there's a distribution going on like right now, where each A option has less than the total votes for B yet if they were all added together it'd beat out B. Would you resolve that by having B win, or by having A win and giving what way we go about making A happen to the largest number of votes for the particular option?
 

treave

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I'm regarding A as a bloc, and it is in the lead right now because I think joining/not joining is a lot more significant than how you go about joining.
 

Baltika9

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I'm regarding A as a bloc, and it is in the lead right now because I think joining/not joining is a lot more significant than how you go about joining.
But what if someone is voting for a certain method of entry, say an A2>B vote, would you still count that as a flop? Because otherwise it seems rather pointless to set up conditional votes for it.
 
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treave

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If they're that concerned about how they want to join the tournament, I'll consider it as a flop.
 

Baltika9

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C because we get in contact with Yunzi, touch base with her in a more-or-less private setting and see what's what. We did come here primarily for her, and I would rather not fuck up anything she has going here regardless of whether or not we participate. Heck, we may even be able to help, depending on what it is she's doing here.
That, and having a rakish young rogue visit her at night by climbing through a window will certainly give us points. Massive points.
 

Nevill

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I agree with Baltika9, for once. If we want to avoid miscommunication, talking to her directly would be good.

Still not sure about forfeiting our trolling ways.
 

Baltika9

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Meh, 7 Stealth and spiderwebs should be good enough. treave did mention that security around here is lax, I'm pretty sure that C guarantees us a meeting.
The invitation is in the form of a card with a name, but security isn't high here. Who would try something with all these powerful martial arts experts around?
 

Baltika9

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Still not sure about forfeiting our trolling ways.
Oh come now, nothing is better than trolling out in the open. Especially those stuffy orthodox sects.
Since it seems that 1A is going to win because the votes are counted in bloc, I'll set up an alternate:
B>A3, C.
Going out in the open, I think, is our best option. For one, we have no reason to hide right now, and if Gao Ying or any imperial guys are around here, then going in under our true name will guarantee us a meeting with them.
 

Nevill

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A2 is such a paper-thin disguise that I don't consider it not being in the open.

I do it just to have 'shameless' added to our title. You have to work on those.
 

treave

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You guys do realize that the Holy Maiden isn't likely to go anywhere without being escorted by at least one Amesha Spenta, right? :lol:
 

Baltika9

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Ah, well, I'm sure our darling won't let us come to harm. We're not kidnapping her, and we're on decent terms, so we'll be fine with just talking. Really, I'm not concerned with Vahista, he won't do shit unless Yunzi tells him to.
 

Anabanana

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We came here for the martial arts tournament, missing out on getting in the Fire Cult and their techniques so that we could bother Yunzi and compete. If we're not going to compete, what was the point when she was going to come back soon enough anyway? We can throw up the match or go with the plan if we want, but this is a great opportunity to pick up on Tibetan techniques now that Jing is skilled enough to come up with some counters and attacks on the fly.

I came here mostly because I was interested in what the Tufan were doing. If we're going to waste time running about chasing after a princess, and then likely either (1) throw a fight (pwahaha codex deliberately throwing a fight phwahaha - also huge insult if people find out and with martial artists everywhere this has a good chance of happening) or (2) marry the princess and then skip out (even bigger insult) or (3) marry the princess that Jing has absolutely no interest in... (and with it a whole new set of obligations that we need to attend to - what, are you planning to lead the Tufan army against Shun, if it comes down to it? Or sit around playing CYOA: Bureaucracy? Obviously I don't actually think it'll be turning into CYOA: Bureaucracy, but treave mentioned that we would be becoming either a Tufan general or a minister, and neither of those sound like a great time to me. Marriage, to a PRINCESS of all people, isn't something that we should be going after because LOL HAREM LOLZ. I like our current harem setup, Qilin and Cao'er are great, fuck you all.)

Most importantly, Jing himself is NOT going to make the princess primary wife before Qilin. treave has already mentioned that this is going to be a problem. Some random Han upstart marrying the princess and then having the audacity to not make her his first wife? That might just be the biggest insult of all. Jing has already suffered enough already, let's not put him through this shit please.

Goddamnit, should've stayed to learn more about the Fire Cult and martial arts instead. Now that's something to consider. Will we have time to go back and find out more about the Fire Cult and their situation if we're tied down dealing with some random Tufan princess? Why are we putting harem expansion on the top of our priority list? And with a character that we haven't even met?

Look, people will literally kill for the opportunity to marry into royalty. Let's not be a dick and give the chances to people who actually want it okay

Anyway for the second choice I'll flop to A1 - wear a pig mask >C. Man Tiger Pig rises again. Mostly because it'd be hilarious. I'm really not all that invested in which A choice win as long as we troll (but hey as long as we're trollin' might as well go all the way? So.) Also I want to test our skills against the Prince. That should be more than enough for skill-testing, and then we can go snooping around if we're not busy being tied down by the tournament.
 

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