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Discussion in 'Choose Your Own Adventure Land' started by treave, Aug 29, 2013.

  1. Kipeci Arcane

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    if only we'd devoted most of that delicious training time to stat boosts instead

    But yeah, wow. Maybe we should let other folks hold onto their manuals without pursuing them too much, if for no reason other than that pugilists mad with power off of those broken manuals are going to be about the only guys who could stand up to this skill when we get around to mastering it in the very distant future. Xu Jing is already one of the more absurdly badass pugilists around without even being fully in his prime, this seems like it might be a bit too much power.
     
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  2. Baltika9 Arcane

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    Still think Fire Temple was a depower, Absinthe?
    :troll:
     
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  3. Absinthe Arcane

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    Nah. To be fair, I had no idea how Wuxiang Qiankun was going to upgrade back then. Level 1 Wuxiang Qiankun at that stage was more of a learning skill than an in-combat booster. My complaints were about its uses as a combat technique. Right now just the piecemeal upgrade to Wuxiang Qiankun has upgraded our qinggong and cap. I'm also wondering if higher levels will start to upgrade our other skill caps.

    At any rate, if we ever reach such bullshit levels treave can just put us up against the celestial bureaucracy next if he wants to continue the LP.
     
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  4. Baltika9 Arcane

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    Nah, that's a bad idea. Jing isn't lusting after this power, but he really needs it for the sake of the Temple if nothing else. We really must get our hands on these manuals, both of them, and really dig into them if we want to stand a chance against the combined might of the Orthodox sects. I'm also thinking of having Yu make copies of the manuals we find and sending them to the Temple so that our Ameshas can start preparing as well. If Xuxian, who was a mediocre fighter two years ago, could boost his neiggong to Zhang Jue's level after reading half of the Yang manual, imagine what levels Rob and Vahista could get to.

    Likewise, we also need that powerful Legendary Sword that will be passed down at Taoying Island, lest Nie Wuxing gets his grubby paws on it.
     
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  5. Esquilax Arcane

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    Speaking of qinggong, I noticed this:

    So we pretty much did the equivalent of 6 months of qinggong training back in Maniac Island in the span of some time meditating. Fucking amazing. However, our huge boost here was in large part a result of using the Wuxiang Qiankun Skill in actual combat against Zhang Manxing, which made meditation a lot more fruitful. If we don't use it while in Youxia City (considering how dangerous the place is and how there are eyes everywhere, we shouldn't unless it's an emergency), then maybe we won't get the same results through meditation the second time. It seems like the sort of thing that you need to field test a bit beforehand to really get the most out of it via meditation.
     
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  6. Baltika9 Arcane

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    Hmm, I wonder. If we do Commissioner Gordon Chief Jiang Zheng a solid here and don't act the asshole, maybe he could do us a favor in return and look into that whole "poisoning of Wang Zhengchong" thing? Seems right up the Constabulary's alley:
     
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  7. Absinthe Arcane

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    We really shouldn't do that. If Jing (and maybe his buddies) pick up super techniques, that's cool, but if we make the fire temple into that degree of superpower, we're going to have some serious fucking problems as everyone around us basically wants to get us under control. It just seems like the situation is going to spiral out of control if we do that.

    We don't exactly have 10 charisma for that. I think we should just vote for the Sword Saint Shangguan Chuji as the new leader, but whoever is organizing the conference probably has his own ideas in addition to Nie Wuxing trying his own power grab. This is going to be a massive problem.
     
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  8. Baltika9 Arcane

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    I dunno man, I'd rather win the war that they'll bring to our doorstep and then worry about diplomacy, rather than lose most of our followers in a bloody battle that could have been made easier. I.e, be the Russia to their NATO. They might not like us or want us around, but they'll have to treat us as a power to be reckoned with.
     
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  9. Absinthe Arcane

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    See, I want to avoid that degree of bullshit violence.

    As the new leader of the Fire Temple, we should try to see if we can solve our problems with a minimum of violence, not risk all sorts of batshit insane escalations.
     
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  10. Baltika9 Arcane

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    Hey, I do too. But between the hate for the Fire Cult and the hate for Xu Jing, imagine how much the Sects will flip their shit once they find out that:
    1) Xu Jing is the leader of the Fire Cult and
    2) They have the Wuxiang Qiankun in their fortress.
    Like it or not (I sure as hell don't!), I think that an assault on our Temple is pretty much unavoidable so the best we can do right now is prepare for it as best as we can. If we manage to win over some sects so they at lest stay out of it, like the Wudang or Emei, then fucking awesome! But I'd rather we hope fore the best and prepare for the worst. Considering the situation we're in, that's the smartest thing we can do.
     
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  11. Kipeci Arcane

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    Do we have any evidence to actually provide them about this, though? Evidence that won't get people into trouble/be useless? I just don't see why you have such a hard-on over something that'd take so much effort and risk for so very little reward.
     
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  12. treave Arcane Patron

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    Eh, if you want to do that, it'd actually be a better idea to help the Commissioner take down the corrupt and influential Zhang Family, plus you also hit Nie Wuxing's political connections that way.
     
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  13. Baltika9 Arcane

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    I'm down, where do I sign up?
     
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  14. Absinthe Arcane

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    I'm down too. That would accomplish a lot of objectives in a single mission.

    Hm... except we'd still want to pursue the other manual.
     
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  15. treave Arcane Patron

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    You wanna know how to get Zhang Manlou? They pull out a dagger, you pull out your Dragon Palms. He sends one of yours to the physician, you send one of his to the morgue. That's the jianghu way! And that's how you get Zhang Manlou. Now do you want to do that? Are you ready to do that? I'm offering you a deal. Do you want this deal?
     
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  16. Baltika9 Arcane

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    Absinthe, Esquilax, you guys show me a guaranteed, surefire and no-fail plan that will get our Cult and the Orthodox Sects to sit in a circle and sing Kumbaya together, and I will support it with all I've got.
    Where do I sign?
     
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  17. Baltika is going to be the guy that gets shot in the elevator. :untouchables:
     
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  18. Baltika9 Arcane

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    Only if you get to be the guy with his skull bashed in at a reception by zhang manxing.
     
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  19. treave Arcane Patron

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    Eh, when the time comes you'll know. It'd be a waste if the supposedly incorruptible Imperial Constables didn't go up against the Zhang clan sooner or later. Before that, focus on the stuff ahead of... yeah, fucking bandwagon, eh?

    I'll see if I can update in a few hours.
     
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  20. Absinthe Arcane

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    If we destabilize or depose Nie Wuxing, get Song Lingshu back in power, have Jiu Mou take over the beggar's sect or cut a deal with the current head, get Shangguan Chuji as the leader of the Ten Swords block, and get some imperial backing to resolve this shit peacefully, then we should be in a good position for a peaceful solution. For bonus points we could try to see if Yuhua Hall would care to become a Ninth Sect, but odds are their answer will be "oh hell no - I am staying out of this shit." We'd have to offer them some amazing incentives. Anyway, a number of these goals are quite doable.
     
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  21. Baltika9 Arcane

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    Okay, how are we going to do that?
    Between our horrible reputation, the hunt for the manuals, the Ten Great Swords faction, BJ's political genius and Shun being unable to publicly associate himself with the Cult or us at all for fear of his own stability, that's a tall fucking order. Don't get me wrong, I want to be accepted by the Eight Sects as part of their circle, but I fear that at this point it's pretty much impossible. Everyone here knows me as the dreamer with his head in the clouds (look up my posts in the EPIC days, they go something like "GUYS WE CAN TOTALLY DO THIS!") but I think that in this instance we should just take the advice of our Ameshas and focus on acquiring power for the Temple and preparing for the inevitable bloodshed.
    If any of the Sects stay out of it, it'll be a blessing.
     
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  22. Esquilax Arcane

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    Can we not indulge in retarded false dichotomies here? Can we not split the situation into either "A horrific escalation between the Fire Cult and the Eight Sects, where we do the exact same thing that Ahura would have done had we not intervened" or "Try a futile plan to reconcile the Eight Sects and the Fire Cult by revealing that Wang Zhengchong was killed by his own, despite nobody believing you"? There is a lot of grey area between the two.

    We were sent out into the world on the recommendation of our Amesha Spenta to increase our own power so that the Eight Sects would be deterred from attacking, that's true, but maybe we shouldn't use the same exact strategy that the guy who got Christopher Reeve'd by Big Wang did. The definition of insanity: doing the same thing and expecting different results. Maybe his way sucks. Maybe we should seek a middle ground between two insane, extreme options, but that would require us to be sensible, and we can't have that, now can we?

    The Fire Cult and the Eight Sects are not going to reconcile, but as the Lord of the Fire Cult, we have a lot of sway in how the Eight Sects view our organization. If we make some efforts at aiding them and making friends, and trying to make up for the Qingcheng debacle, then perhaps we, and our entire group won't be seen as the same as it was in Ahura's time. Leadership matters a great deal; look at how the change in leadership changed the Eight Sects in two short years. If we make up for the Maniac-style slaughter at Qingcheng with a few favours for some of the more reasonable sects, then maybe they want see us as Ahura II.

    Absinthe's suggestions for nudging a change in leadership (Qingcheng has been made more difficult, but some heroism at Youxia City might turn things around*, Jiu Mou is another BRO candidate as well) are good ones. Other options are to make amends with the sects that spoke up for us - Wudang, Emei and Shaolin. There's a lot of area between the insane, hypothetical Clevian ITZ that you're envisioning (perhaps even welcoming) and some kumbaya bullshit.

    I could turn things around and say "How are we going to fight all Eight Sects with our force, which is much, much weaker than theirs?" Speaking of dreams, I think you're dreaming of a war that we can't possibly win.

    As for what exactly we'll do - I suppose we'll cross that bridge when we reach it. I can draw up hypothetical scenarios, but we can make up nonsensical scenarios all day like that. It means nothing.

    * EDIT: Okay, that didn't work out well last time. Bad choice of words. :lol:
     
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  23. Absinthe Arcane

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    Destabilizing Nie Wuxing would be part of the Zhang family hunt. At the same time, if Song Lingshu manages to pick up any solid credit in the process with the constables, then she could establish herself as a righteous and respectable leader to retake her sect. The Ten Swords gathering remains to be seen, but Shangguan Chuji enjoys a very good reputation which would make him an instant candidate for leader. It won't be the easiest thing to make him the leader, but it should be doable. While Shun might not publicly associate with the cult, he doesn't need to; he can just say "you guys are going to work out a peaceful solution" and throw his weight behind it.

    Anyway, I'm saying that a peaceful solution is doable, so we shouldn't rush to worst case scenario escalations.
     
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  24. Baltika9 Arcane

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    More like "having nightmares about." I don't want it, but I fear that an assault by the UNBRO sects of Huehueshan, Taishan, Kunlun, Qingcheng (provided we don't get Lingshu back in power) and the Beggars under their new leader is unavoidable. I'm all for building foundations for the future, doing solid favors to the BRO sects of Emei-Wudang-Shaolin, etc... but at the same time I can't help but think that expecting all of them to just accept us as a new and reformed Fire Cult under the leadership of Xu Jing is also too idealistic. Conflict with them is pretty much unavoidable at this point, especially since we hold the Wuxiang Qiankun Skill at our Temple.
    Hope for the best and prepare for the worst, etc...
     
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  25. Nevill Arcane

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    Now remind me, please, what strategy did Ahura employ, if any.

    I don't see why you would keep your power to a minimum as to not provoke people. Doing that is exactly what provokes people into bullying. The fate of the weak is to get exploited or devoured by the strong.

    You are weakening the enemies and strengthening yourself on the political arena, but why are you willing to forego increasing your faction's fighting power as well to back the politics up? Building it up does not necessitate using it. If anything, it helps resolving certain matters peacefully because the alternative does not appeal to anybody.
     
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