A2 at least stands a chance of being +1 swords.
But for the most part I expect A1 to fail somehow because fucking Bai Jiutian would have to be retarded to just let that work on him, so we get dragged into the same fight as A2, except he knows we have Wuxiang Qiankun now. It's fucking dumb.
Well, treave will give us his rationale when the update appears, but as I see it, in A1 if Wuxiang Qiankun does work then we are not using our own sword skills as much as we would in A2 because we are just copying Bai Jiutian's techniques to cover the gaps. In A2, we rely much more on our own raw sword skills to face off against Bai Jiutian and facing a more skilled opponent would force us to improve.You mean using the skill that increases our learning abilities had a smaller chance of giving us +1 SWORDS!?
I think Bai Jiutian would be fucking retarded to maneuver himself into a position of weakness by trying to goad us into using Wuxiang Qiankun. Remember, he's trying to make us use it, and Bai Jiutian does not trust Jing at all. There is no way he would intentionally put himself in a position where his best bet is to count on Jing's goodwill and kindness.If he's trying to beat us while we have the skill (I think it's more likely he'd suggest a partnership or something if it looks like he's being overcome or else just run off with his better speed if things look bad for him)
My most likely scenario for how A1 will turn into surprise failure is that Bai Jiutian will turn out to have been holding back his qi to bait us into using Wuxiang Qiankun, and then he will simply immediately raise his qi to negate our Wuxiang Qiankun (can't use it on people who have as much qi as you do) at an opportune moment during the sword fight and in that moment when we are caught off-guard, Bai Jiutian fucks us up before we can recover.and he's somehow managed to prepare something to make Wuxiang Qiankun not work, doesn't that mean we're super screwed in a fight? It's better to not fight at all if we have the chance, but going into it without the skill will be really bad for our chances of winning.
Making full use of many different styles of sword techniques pilfered from an extremely skilled foe who's a master of the blade will obviously do nothing to help out on that front, yep.A2 at least stands a chance of being +1 swords.
And what about this makes you think it's by necessity a fight to the death or something? He wants to confirm that we have the move and get past the great front of bullshit that Jing was spewing when he was talking. So he fights, we confirm it, his reason for fighting is over aside from maybe wanting to beat Jing around the head a bit for some exercise or something... which would be much harder to do if we actually used the skill. You say that he'll have a counter for it. Okay, how would one go about countering this? How do you counter a move where your opponent gets to copy all of your moves at full strength and skill? And if he's set to do that, how do you think we even have a chance without using the skill?But for the most part I expect Wuxiang Qiankun to fail somehow because fucking Bai Jiutian would have to be retarded to just let that work on him, so we get dragged into the same fight as A2, except he knows we have Wuxiang Qiankun now. It's fucking dumb.
Let me tell you why I think A1 is not going to abort the fight into a peaceful discourse: Because the peaceful option for informing Bai Jiutian we have Wuxiang Qiankun is B1. If you pick A1, then you pick that Jing exposes his secret and goes for the fight anyway.And what about this makes you think it's by necessity a fight to the death or something? He wants to confirm that we have the move and get past the great front of bullshit that Jing was spewing when he was talking. So he fights, we confirm it, his reason for fighting is over
Kipeci, Wuxiang Qiankun practices Bai Jiutian's sword technique. Remember when we learned the Wuying Leipo Kick and got it all the way up to Rank 8? And yet our unarmed skill was unaffected by this learning?
The bigger issue is that in A1 we are playing exactly into Bai Jiutian's hands which is why I find A1 to be such a mind-numbingly retarded move. I can't believe the amount of people who are essentially saying "yes bai jiutian will totally maneuver himself into a position of weakness on purpose" using logic like "well sure he'd lose but Bai Jiutian's intention is just to get confirmation and then try to talk it out with us" - the two problems being: if you want conversation you should be voting B1, and Bai Jiutian does not trust Jing anywhere near enough to simply depend on Jing's goodwill to avoid getting his ass kicked.
Treave already confirmed that he is watching our every movement and came prepared for the chance that we would try to poison him. That's how little he trusts us. There's no fucking way he would try to goad Jing into using Wuxiang Qiankun unless he has something planned for it.
We can train it against Yunzi. She'll be more than happy to give us a real fight. Bai Jiutian is not the right person for this.You're just not getting it. I don't want just conversation; I want to train WQ to make it reach its full nightmarish extent.
Well, I'm quoting my own post on this exact page, but here you go:The 'something' he has planned for it is to see it. What sort of trap are you expecting him to trigger that will suddenly disable the skill and render Jing weaker than A1? You keep repeating over and over again that he's going to screw us if we use the technique, okay. Tell us, how is he going to do that? It's one thing to take antidotes as a preparation, it's quite another to devise a way to disable these legendary techniques.
My most likely scenario for how A1 will turn into surprise failure is that Bai Jiutian will turn out to have been holding back his qi to bait us into using Wuxiang Qiankun, and then he will simply immediately raise his qi to negate our Wuxiang Qiankun (can't use it on people who have as much qi as you do) at an opportune moment during the sword fight and in that moment when we are caught off-guard, Bai Jiutian fucks us up before we can recover.
Feel free to quote where I said that. I'll be waiting. While I wouldn't completely rule out the chance that A1 will get us killed and end the CYOA right now, I mostly expect that this is the kind of decision that will land us in loads of deep shit. Considering how we have been warned how incredibly dangerous it is to get involved in the manual hunt, this is the kind of decision that will put our whole party in massive danger and likely result in Jing losing.How I see Absinthe's argumentation:
"BJ wants Jing to show him the WQ skill. The CYOA fails and ends terribly if we do that. So, whatever you do, never vote for using the WQ skill!"
It's a fight. This isn't about Bai Jiutian's emotions. Hell, let me quote treave again about bullshit scenarios where we cannot touch Bai Jiutian without Wuxiang Qiankun:The difference between A1 and A2 from Jings perspective is whether Jing holds back or does not.
A1 is using everything at Jings disposal.
A2 is using everything but the WQ skill.
BJ is emanating danger. Don't think he'll be less pissed with Jing if Jing tries to troll by not using the WQ skill.
If you don't think you can land a single hit on him without using Wuxiang Qiankun then the most that A1 can do is perhaps help you stalemate him or not lose as badly, and A2 is suicide. In that case, do consider C.
Or D.
I'll quote myself from this page again:Heck, once BJ sees what he wants to see, he might call for a break in the fighting and resume real talking instead. You don't know BJ. I don't. What I do know is that Jing has been trolling him time and time again, and now BJ seems to've had his fill.
I can't believe the amount of people who are essentially saying "yes bai jiutian will totally maneuver himself into a position of weakness on purpose" using logic like "well sure he'd lose but Bai Jiutian's intention is just to get confirmation and then try to talk it out with us" - the two problems being: if you want conversation you should be voting B1, and Bai Jiutian does not trust Jing anywhere near enough to simply depend on Jing's goodwill to avoid getting his ass kicked.
How the fuck you keep misinterpreting my statements this hard right now is beyond me Azira, but I'm pretty sure you stopped trying to read what I'm saying and are only looking for what you want to see. Now, of course Jing is involved, but right now he is on the side that is hunting for a manual. Vote A1 and he becomes the hunted. Do you understand how this is a shift in our situation?And about the manual hunt? Jing's already involved. Deeply. Deal with it.
You know that third time's the charm!Oh, come on! You guys just HAD to get Jing killed again, didn't you? And now the update's delayed for no reason at all, too.
My most likely scenario for how A1 will turn into surprise failure is that Bai Jiutian will turn out to have been holding back his qi to bait us into using Wuxiang Qiankun, and then he will simply immediately raise his qi to negate our Wuxiang Qiankun (can't use it on people who have as much qi as you do) at an opportune moment during the sword fight and in that moment when we are caught off-guard, Bai Jiutian fucks us up before we can recover.
He still has no idea what we used actually - he doesnt know how it works or what it was, he is eager to learn tough.TOME, if he didn't know much about Wuxiang Qiankun he wouldn't've guessed we used it on Zhang's bodyguards. If he tries to take on someone who he thinks has the Wuxiang Qiankun, he'd be stupid not to have done some research on how it might be stopped. It seems to me that the more serious and well-connected manual hunters would, in fact, have some basic info on these manuals. That doesn't mean he knows exactly how it works, but it would suggest he knows some of the limitations and roughly what it does. Are you really surprised that a manual hunter might have some actual info about a manual?
Uh, asxetos, I don't think that's how treave operates. Treave, correct me if I'm wrong but you don't turn options into losing options just to punish people for the reload, right? It seems to me that bad luck would just happen with any option, yes?