My collected criticism on Pillars of Eternity (very minor spoilers)

[Lhynn]

I doubt anyone will be butthurt about your opinion vince, youve got a history of liking bad games.

 

[Athelas]

Says the person who unironically believed the ME3 indoctrination theory was true.

 

[Ninjerk]

 

[Lhynn]

Says the person who unironically believed the ME3 indoctrination theory was true.

I still believe its true, what does that have to do with anything?

 

[Athelas]

Says the person who unironically believed the ME3 indoctrination theory was true.

I still believe its true, what does that have to do with anything?

It provides much-needed context for your statements.

 

[Lhynn]

Says the person who unironically believed the ME3 indoctrination theory was true.

I still believe its true, what does that have to do with anything?

It provides much-needed context for your statements.

I guess you are with VD on this one.

 

[Athelas]

Maybe he's been indoctrinated to believe the game is good.

 

[Lhynn]

The game is good, just not nearly as good as he makes it out to be.

 

[jagged-jimmy]

The wording is just poor, a bit trollish. PoE is not a better "game". PoE indeed has better role-playing mechanics.

Which makes it a better role-playing game for me.

That's actually better. I shall respect this subjective opinion. But to write that PoE is a better game than BG2 in a review is pretty much trolling, i am sure you know that - with BG2 being like what, 4. in Codex all time favoured?

 

[Vault Dweller]

The game is good, just not nearly as good as he makes it out to be.

I said it's a pretty good BG clone with much better lore and role-playing.

The wording is just poor, a bit trollish. PoE is not a better "game". PoE indeed has better role-playing mechanics.

Which makes it a better role-playing game for me.

That's actually better. I shall respect this subjective opinion. But to write that PoE is a better game than BG2 in a review is pretty much trolling, i am sure you know that - with BG2 being like what, 4. in Codex all time favoured?

I don't care if it's #1. I stated my opinion on it back in 2003 and it didn't change much.

http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/index.php?threads/why-was-bg2-subpar.1935/

Saint_Proverbius: "It's almost like their design philosophy centers around 12 year old D&D player mentalities. Take an uber story about an uber thing, fill it with uber beings that people would know about if they followed the setting and let the player be uber and kill them, and then cram it full of as much uber items as possible. Then, of course, skimp on the role-playing options."

 

[roshan]

Felipepepe nailed it. And VD should stop giving every RPG a bonus in his reviews. WTH happened. Wasteland 2 had serious system issues - awesome game 10/10. PoE lacks fun stuff and is underdeveloped in some areas - 10/10 better then BG2. And this is laughable. It's nowhere near the BG2, the comparison is even totally unfair.

The wording is just poor, a bit trollish. PoE is not a better "game". PoE indeed has better role-playing mechanics. Factions, stat checks in dialogues, skill checks in text adventures. But they all are underdeveloped. Factions do not matter, stat checks lead to no truly memorable quest experience, etc.

It's really pathetic that VD's fanboy gushing and apologeticism is what passes for a Codex review in 2015. It seems that ever since becoming a dev himself he's gone soft and lost most objectivity and critical thinking.

 

[jagged-jimmy]

The game is good, just not nearly as good as he makes it out to be.

I said it's a pretty good BG clone with much better lore and role-playing.

The wording is just poor, a bit trollish. PoE is not a better "game". PoE indeed has better role-playing mechanics.

Which makes it a better role-playing game for me.

That's actually better. I shall respect this subjective opinion. But to write that PoE is a better game than BG2 in a review is pretty much trolling, i am sure you know that - with BG2 being like what, 4. in Codex all time favoured?

I don't care if it's #1. I stated my opinion on it back in 2003 and it didn't change much.

http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/index.php?threads/why-was-bg2-subpar.1935/

Saint_Proverbius: "It's almost like their design philosophy centers around 12 year old D&D player mentalities. Take an uber story about an uber thing, fill it with uber beings that people would know about if they followed the setting and let the player be uber and kill them, and then cram it full of as much uber items as possible. Then, of course, skimp on the role-playing options."

That's nice if you battling for goodness in PoE forum, but not if you write a review for the general public.

 

[Lhynn]

The lore is not better, the roleplaying may be better, but its not nearly as interesting. Not that it matters, the delivery of all of it is downright amateurish, so its wasted anyway.

The only thing i really dug about PoE was the war of the saints and the whole killing lathander.

 

[Vault Dweller]

It's really pathetic that VD's fanboy gushing and apologeticism is what passes for a Codex review in 2015. It seems that ever since becoming a dev himself he's gone soft and lost most objectivity and critical thinking.

Again - for people with reading disabilities - I said that it's a good BG clone but nowhere near close to Fallout or Torment.

PS. I became a developer quite a few years ago, which didn't stop me from criticizing Witcher 2 and Dragon Age 2.

That's nice if you battling for goodness in PoE forum, but not if you write a review for the general public.

I prefer to share my thoughts on the game, without giving a fuck what the public expects to hear or what the public can accept.

The lore is not better...

Forgotten Realms is the blandest and most generic of all settings.

 

[Bubbles]

BG2's combat is fun if you mod the shit out of it with SCS and accept the fact that the game takes a nose dive after chapter 2. The writing, however, is irredeemable tripe. "Megalomaniac mage and his vampire sister who were stripped of their elvishness and seek REVENGE by draining the tree of whatsit with giant maggots" is completely awful teenage fantasy tripe. And it's played completely straight to boot.

To be honest, I usually find it more fun to play through (heavily modded) BG1 than (heavily modded) BG2 for that very reason. Less writing + less linearity = less awfulness.

 

[Prime Junta]

The lore is too better. Only kids who want to be Drizzt when they grow up would think otherwise.

 

[Vault Dweller]

 

[LeStryfe79]

It's just overkill.

 

[pakoito]

 

[roshan]

BG2's combat is fun if you mod the shit out of it with SCS and accept the fact that the game takes a nose dive after chapter 2. The writing, however, is irredeemable tripe. "Megalomaniac mage and his vampire sister who were stripped of their elvishness and seek REVENGE by draining the tree of whatsit with giant maggots" is completely awful teenage fantasy tripe. And it's played completely straight to boot.

To be honest, I usually find it more fun to play through (heavily modded) BG1 than (heavily modded) BG2 for that very reason. Less writing + less linearity = less awfulness.

The lore is too better. Only kids who want to be Drizzt when they grow up would think otherwise.

How is POE's juvenile IT'S ALL TEH SEOUL!!! tripe any better than the most retarded portions of BG1/2? I mean the very idea of reincarnation has basically been taken from Indian philosophy, but it isn't developed beyond the understanding of a 6 year old child, tacked on with lots of silly and generic fantasy cliches.

I mean if they had studied various older Hindu philosophical schools such as Advaita Vedanta and Sankhya and various schools of Buddhism (like Yogachara, Madhyamika, etc.), they could have come up with something of PST level storytelling, setting and metaphysics but instead we have this game that constantly pummels you with stupid, infantile nonsense.

 

[Prime Junta]

^
I also demand Madhyānta-vibhāga-bhāṣya with my computer entertainment.

 

[Kel]

Its just triggering that Waukeen's Promenade (1 district in BG2) has more shops and quests than 5 districts in Pillars.

Rage inducing.

 

[Lhynn]

Forgotten Realms is the blandest and most generic of all settings.

Hardly, its not a very good setting but calling it bland and generic when its easily the complete opposite of that shows that you either dont know it that well, or dont care.

Its bad, cringeworthy more often than not, but far from a bland place, because it was designed to be fun, to offer countless opportunities for adventure, to encourage traveling with like minded individuals, its a rich place full of flavor, it is also an accesible setting for an RPG. PoE is a shit setting for an RPG, most of what you are doing makes no fucking sense in that world, your character knows nothing, a lore 10 PoE character still has no idea what a hollowborn and what the godhammer is, you rarely have the option to do the exposition yourself, which leads to the feeling of complete disconnect with the world, and this should be common knowledge.
Sigh, its not fucking rocket science, writing a setting for an rpg is all about creating opportunities for the players to interact with the world in interesting ways, its not about the DM masturbating about philosophical stuff.

How is POE's juvenile IT'S ALL TEH SEOUL!!! tripe any better than the most retarded portions of BG1/2? I mean the very idea of reincarnation has basically been taken from Indian philosophy, but it isn't developed beyond the understanding of a 6 year old child, tacked on with lots of silly and generic fantasy cliches.

I mean if they had studied various older Hindu philosophical schools such as Advaita Vedanta and Sankhya and various schools of Buddhism (like Yogachara, Madhyamika, etc.), they could have come up with something of PST level storytelling, setting and metaphysics but instead we have this game that constantly pummels you with stupid, infantile nonsense.

While i dont know much about all that shit, i agree with the sentiment.

 

[Athelas]

Forgotten Realms is the blandest and most generic of all settings.

Hardly, its not a very good setting but calling it bland and generic when its easily the complete opposite of that shows that you either dont know it that well, or dont care.

Its bad, cringeworthy more often than not, but far from a bland place, because it was designed to be fun, to offer countless opportunities for adventure, to encourage traveling with like minded individuals, its a rich place full of flavor, it is also an accesible setting for an RPG. PoE is a shit setting for an RPG, most of what you are doing makes no fucking sense in that world, your character knows nothing, a lore 10 PoE character still has no idea what a hollowborn and what the godhammer is, you rarely have the option to do the exposition yourself, which leads to the feeling of complete disconnect with the world, and this should be common knowledge.

You might have missed the part where the game begins with your character traveling to a region he's never been to before, and it being the only place in the world where Hollowborn are born.

That is, you might have missed it if you were completely brain dead.

 

[Ulminati]

Roxors review will be the one worth reading and conveniently shoved out of the spotlight to please Obsidian.