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Myth: A New Age CYOA

Discussion in 'Choose Your Own Adventure Land' started by Fangshi, Jan 15, 2014.

  1. Nevill Arcane

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    It isn't being merciful for the sake of being merciful, though.

    The act of cooperation with a creature of the 'Dark' is shady in itself and if uncovered, will prove troublesome. But there are benefits to it. If we can use her against the Watcher and his necromancers or priests (and she is quite open to the idea of getting back at them), she would serve us far better that way. It would definitely throw a wrench in the Watcher's plans. Even if we merely give those who are willing an opportunity to desert his ranks, it should still weaken his forces considerably.

    It is risky, but it would not be the first act that would blow in our faces if it is ever revealed. Cases in point: Muirthemne raid and Lyssa. Didn't we take Lyssa in partly because of it deprived Mazzarin of his helper? It's the same here, except we aren't actually that crazy yet to take her in. I doubt we'll be friends. I merely hope we can keep her pointed in the direction that is beneficial to us. I'd rather have the ghols fighting between themselves, than fighting us, or, Wyrd forbid, uniting behind the Watcher.

    Currently the Watcher is subduing them. Let's give them the means to fight back and support the glorious ghol revolution. At least it would keep both sides occupied for a while. Anything that would hamper the side that has a personal problem with us, really.

    Who would know about it, anyway? The Blackrock securities? They are neck deep in shady deeds that would cost them their life if the word gets out. They will keep silent. Our crew? Not likely to babble, either. Nanshe herself? The Watcher's minions? :lol:

    It just works, both from the character's perspective (we employ the means that the less compromised people would find downright heretical), and from mine.

    Besides, it amuses me to see the Watcher butthurt.

    Would two gloves wrapped tightly around her neck to encompass the necklase serve as a temporary, if unwieldy, solution? We no longer have a use for them anyway.
     
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  2. Kz3r0 Arcane

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    Here my take on it, reveal to her that lead blocks the necklace signal and set her free in exchange for getting our gold back.
    I know that all will depend on her to give us back our gold and her loathing of the Watcher for turning her into a sort of ally behind enemy lines, nonetheless this seems our only opportunity to impede a Watcher lead ghol army.
     
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  3. Nevill Arcane

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    That's the plan with A. At least, mine and, if I understood it correctly, archaen's (actually, the idea was his, I just wanted to kill her). There is no point in taking her if we just exterminate them.

    We take our mercs and go get the gold in exchange for her. Someone has to pick the gold up, we can't have it delivered to our doorstep by ghols. Unfortunately, none of us are ready to trust her word on it yet.

    We hope for a peaceful resolution, but it might be good to be able to back our offer up with a demonstration of strength, rather than hope she'll come through. Remember, she loathes the Watcher, but she does not necessarily likes us. A stick is no less important than a carrot.

    We plan to leave the dwarves out of it - we only take them in case there is an army or an ambush waiting for us.
     
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  4. Kz3r0 Arcane

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    All right here is my vote:
    A
    With this people:
    i. Derryth
    ii. Thaïs
    iii. Lyssa and her Eagles
    iv. Berty Levy
    v. Biliku
    vi. Uttu
    vii. Myora
    ix. Nanshe (as a prisoner, she may be useful or she may be a liability)

    Here our escort:
    xi. Your escort's chariots. 20 light chariots
    xii. Your carriage.
    xv. Eight Blackrock human warriors.
    xvi. Five Blackrock maul warriors.

    We will try to get back our gold in exchange for Nanshe, if they agree before releasing Nanshe we will reveal to her that lead blocks the necklace signal.
     
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  5. Nevill Arcane

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    You took the chariots, but you forgot the escort. :) Who will ride them? Humans and mauls can't, and the horses aren't intelligent enough to be an asset by thermselves, despite the claims by Smashing Axe. :lol:

    I feel like taking the dwarves is a necessity if we want the benefits of the chariots. And we might want them just to have something to transport the gold in. We just have to plan around that fact and split our forces accordingly when it is time to act.
     
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  6. archaen Arbiter Patron

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    Nevill

    You have the plan I am behind with this post:

    Having the lead blocking technology to trade only makes the plan more likely to succeed now that we have a bargaining chip other than "we massacre you and all your people if you don't obey us". Hope is a powerful motivator.

    Good idea on using the lead glove to block the signal. We will have to experiment with our amulets in like three months when we get our first batch of free time.

    We also need to figure out if the lead shielding blocks the local enchantments on the amulet along with the signal portion. It may be better for the possible Ghol resistance to leave their amulets on and coated with lead if they can get the benefits of the local enchantments without the downside. Alternatively, the amulet might be completely removable if it covered in enough lead if the local enchantments are blocked by it.
     
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  7. Fangshi Arcane

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    Derryth thinks that if you made a collar out of the two gloves you could probably block the signal. It would definitely look strange but it should be functional.

    Current Tally:
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    asxetos - Bi: Bring everyone who is not a Dwarf. (Derryth, Thaïs, Lyssa, Berty, Biliku, Uttu, Myora, Rand, all eight human warriors and the five maul warriors. Granted it comes to twenty one, not twenty but Nanshe is not going to argue over a single soldier.)

    Azira - Dii: Simply kill her and be done with it.

    Smashing Axe - Dii? Sell her? Any preference as to the buyer?

    Kz3r0 - A (i,ii,iii,iv,v,vi,vii,ix,xi,xii,xv,xvi): Let her go.

    Nevill - A (i,ii,iii,iv,v,vi,vii,xi,xii,xiii,xiv,xv,xvi,xvii): Go after the raiding party. All individuals except Rand and Nanshe, all assets except for the Royal soldiers and kill Nanshe immediately.

    archaen - C>Dii>A (i,ii,iii,iv,v,vi,vii,ix,x,xi,xii,xiii,xv,xvi): Turn her over to Albrecht, failing that sell her to the Academy, failing that go after the raiding party.

    Grimgravy - A (ix): Go after the raiding party. Bring Nanshe, abstain from the rest of the option.

    Kipeci - A (iv,v,vi,vii,viii,x,xi,xiii,xiv): Go after the raiding party. Send the warriors and the dwarves. Keep the mages and the prisoner back along with the human and maul mercs.

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  8. Nevill Arcane

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    Well, the solution I had in mind would look like a collar, yes. Two round cuff bracelets out of solid lead that slide into each other and hold the necklace inside. It could probably be fit in with their armor. Even if the ghols don't have the necessary equipment to produce them by themselves, they could probably order them from local smiths if they use mercenaries as middle men (no, NOT us, we don't want to do anything with it). It isn't a very complex or costly solution.

    But a makeshift collar out of two gloves would do as a proof-of-concept.
     
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  9. Kipeci Magister

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    Being merciful just strikes me as kind of stupid, even if it does bring some benefit. That benefit has to be weighed against the opportunity cost and the potential penalties, and I don't think we end up in a favorable balance there if we act with mercy.

    I haven't followed this CYOA with an incredibly strong focus and I know very little to nothing about the source material, but I just don't see why it's so necessary for us in particular to abandon all of our potential prospects with her for the sake of inconveniencing the Watcher by trying to turn one of his ghols and her possible soldiers against him? I mean, yes, it'd be bad for us if the Watcher won against the current guys in charge right now, but now he's just building up an army. If we alert the Dwarven Kingdom can't it martial much more effective resources against them, particularly the ghols since they're so eager to fight anyway? And aren't they supposed to have some sort of alliance with the human empire, at least in the face of an all-threatening menace such as the Watcher? This is a bit too large scale for it to be our problem in particular, and I don't think that rising to the level of an irritation to one of the most powerful archmages in the setting no matter how many pieces he is in is too good when all we've done is maybe slow down some recruitment and require a minor civil war on their side to be fought at the most optimistic of outcomes.

    Meanwhile, if we sell her to the Academy we keep her for the much more tangible (and less likely to piss off horrendously powerful ancient evils) reward of 400 WPs, or possibly the still substantial sum of around 250 if we're forced to scramble her mind before she kills herself. We have a pretty terrifying loan going on right now, having more money on hand to buy up or invest in better assets or otherwise pay off the interest is very important to ensure that we will later on be well enough entrenched to not really be hurting for money should we need to buy anything useful. Not to mention that the dwarves would be made happy by this turn of events, and who knows what neat things the Academy might learn from her (and share with us, perhaps)?

    I think that Lyssa is risk enough without also going around helping out ghols and so on. Our mercenary company is very large; it only takes one person to blow us up by getting a whisper of this to anyone of significance in the dwarf kingdom, and we'll be risking all that we've invested in the Dorf kingdom for the sake of a ghol who robbed us and follows the Watcher to boot. It won't sound very good. If the ghols fight us as a result, so be it; we have a sizeable mercenary company and their bodies & meat are worth a very nice amount of money, so let them come.

    We get rid of someone who has actively damaged our livelihood and make a ton of profit to boot, I'd prefer we keep that up rather than looking for a best friend in every servant of the dark. Trolling the Watcher is also I think not too fantastic an idea, maybe we could get back to that after hundreds of years of research or something.
     
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  10. Azira Arcane Patron

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    Money's good. Amend my vote for selling Nanshe. She'd just as soon rip off our faces. No need to buddy up with her, though I understand the impulse to experiment on the necklace, as it works somewhat similarly to the ones on our group.
     
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  11. Kipeci Magister

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    Come to think of it, if the necklaces can be used to track each other, wouldn't that allow anyone in the know with one of them to easily locate those stronger and more influential servants of the Watcher? That might be useful.
     
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  12. Azira Arcane Patron

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    I wonder if the necklace goes inert, once the "host" dies.
     
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  13. archaen Arbiter Patron

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    The sentiment is there. I have Dii as my second choice. Smashing Axe is Dii and Nevill and asxetos want to kill her outright . Azira just flopped to Dii. This is the most unsympathetic I have seen our players to a (naturally) female character this whole LP ;).

    I think trying to get the stolen diamonds back using Nanshe and then turning around to sell her off would not be a typical choice for our characters. If she behaves honorably, has her clan back off, and we get our gold without a fight - I don't see Derryth and Thais killing her. Especially with Nanshe' personal drive for freedom and being caught in the machinations of a Fallen Lord against her own will. I think we would have too much empathy to her plight to be that callous. Right now she is a captured prisoner who would say anything to save herself. If she proves her words to be true, that will cut off that avenue for me as a voter.
     
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  14. Kipeci Magister

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    I'm not trying to get her to stop her soldiers from getting away though, my vote calls for her to be staying around along with the mage power to keep her from killing herself while the dwarves get back the gold with violence.
     
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  15. archaen Arbiter Patron

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    Not a huge fan of that plan either as we are sending our extremely slow forces to chase ghôls on their home turf next to the great devoid. We could easily lose all our forces in an ambush as our forces may not catch up to them before they are to their destination and they have crow support for warning. They will also be mageless against a force that is not. Granted their mages suck, but it is still a significant force multiplier.

    This whole setup could be a trap set by the Watcher to get us to wander off into the wastes. He knows about us. He has agents in the nobility and merchants and likely knows of our new holdings. He has the ghôls raid our treasury to draw us out and then has some elite forces engage us for capture.

    Fangshi, I want to ask Nanshe who ordered and planned the raid.
     
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  16. Fangshi Arcane

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    The Watcher's 'creature'.

    She has used that phrase a number of times already so you ask her to elaborate.

    She does not know his name, as far as she knows no one does. She does not even know if he has a name. He looks human but he is not, or if he was it was long ago.

    He runs the Watcher's spies and enforcers. He is not the most powerful mage the Watcher has at his disposal but he is still quite terrifying. The way he uses magic is bizarre and though she has been able to replicate some of his spells she had to adapt them to her casting method. His casting method is unique from what she has seen but she can't really describe it.

    He is tall, thin, blonde. His eyes lit by a sort of cold flame, she struggles to properly describe it.

    He is smart but only half as clever as he thinks he is. He has a tendency to underestimate those he sees as his inferiors.

    She laughs and recounts one time that she beat him at one of his little games. He remembered her name after that, took pains to inquire after her in fact and that was how he began teaching her spells when he was bored. He has shown keen interest in her ever since. It seems that once he considers someone 'worth his time' it is almost impossible to discourage him and defeating him ensured she would always draw his attention.

    It was likely for that reason that she was selected to launch this attack.

    Some of the chieftans she has talked to claim that he is a true immortal but she has seen no evidence of that.

    He ordered the attack on Blackrock in the Watcher's name, seems he has taken a keen interest in the two of you for some reason.

    Anything in specific you want to know? She might be able to tell you.
     
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  17. archaen Arbiter Patron

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    Maybe because we helped kill his master or fellow circle member? Sounds like he could be an associate of Thrasher. I am pretty sure our accomplishments thus far elevates us above the level of inferiors.

    This makes me almost certain that there is a trap waiting out there for us. If we are going to sally forth we should do it quickly and be ready to pull back at a moment's notice.

    I would ask her if she ever participated in any operation with the Watcher's creature and if she did, what were his tactics? Does he keep a certain retinue with him, and if he does, what are their capabilities?
     
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  18. Smashing Axe Arcane Patron

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    I'm pretty exhausted, so I can't do a full rundown. I'll merely vote for what I want in broadstrokes.

    A> (Bring some dwarves. I'll vote for whatever option brings some dwarves along. Gotta purge those ghols nice and good. Don't bring the chief ghol, keep her to sell to anyone. Theres's a good profit in there. Keep a lieutenant who isn't a dwarf to guard her)
    Dii>Diii>Div>Bii


    No mercy to those that oppose us. Crush and enslave the ghol and teach them all a lesson they shan't forget. "Nobody steals our stuff"

    The Friends Forever agenda is doomed to failure. I will laugh at the devastation it brings us, then offer a helping hand to return us to our true path. By the end of this we will be the truest dwarf that has ever lived, riding upon a ghol mount with our dwarf bros as we laugh joyously to the lamentations of the evil ghol. Look to Albrecht for our inspiration, friends.
     
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  19. Fangshi Arcane

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    A couple times.

    Most of the time he takes a 'hands off' approach. He will give his subordinates specific objectives and perhaps a little guidance but he prefers to let others handle all the 'little details'. He gets bored very easily you see.

    She has only seen him actively participate in one mission. His agent failed to acquire an artefact he desired from a Circle operating out of a village a day north of Stoneheim (about a dozen mages in total). The thin mage gathered up his retinue and attacked the village. He invited her to come along as an observer as they had been in the middle of a lesson when the news arrived.

    First he set up a screen of crows to ensure no one would sneak up on him without warning. Then he had one of his slaves conjure up a thick mist one morning and went in spells blazing. Killed the Circle, killed the villagers, killed the livestock, killed everything really but he was careful not to damage any of the buildings. He then had his necromancers raise all the dead and march them out into the desert. When the next dwarven patrol rolled through no one could figure out where everyone went. There were no signs of an attack, no bodies and no leads.

    That incident was one the few times she has seen him directly plan anything and he still seemed unbelievably bored doing it.

    He has no fixed retinue and no close allies. Every time she sees him he has different followers and after witnessing him in the field she can understand why.

    Almost all those that follow him at any given time are mages but they do not behave as if they have any will of their own. They follow his instructions to the letter but they take no measures to protect themselves while casting. She watched two of his followers die from exhaustion on the field of battle and another was cut down by three enemy mages to act as a distraction, she did not even hesitate as the Circle mages launched their attacks.

    He also usually has a senior necromancer or two with him if he is preparing for an attack. At least the necromancers appeared sane... relatively speaking...


    Current Tally:
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    asxetos - Bi: Bring everyone who is not a Dwarf. (Derryth, Thaïs, Lyssa, Berty, Biliku, Uttu, Myora, Rand, all eight human warriors and the five maul warriors. Granted it comes to twenty one, not twenty but Nanshe is not going to argue over a single soldier.)

    Azira - Dii: Simply kill her and be done with it.

    Smashing Axe - A (x,xiii,xiv)>Dii>Diii>Div>Bii Go after the raiding party. Send dwarves, leave Nanshe behind, leave an officer (neither of them are dwarves) behind. Abstain on everything else. Failing that sell her to the academy, failing that sell her to the King's chefs, failing that sell her to the slave masters, failing that torture her for information.

    Kz3r0 - A (i,ii,iii,iv,v,vi,vii,ix,xi,xii,xv,xvi): Let her go.

    Nevill - A (i,ii,iii,iv,v,vi,vii,xi,xii,xiii,xiv,xv,xvi,xvii): Go after the raiding party. All individuals except Rand and Nanshe, all assets except for the Royal soldiers and kill Nanshe immediately.

    archaen - C>Dii>A (i,ii,iii,iv,v,vi,vii,ix,x,xi,xii,xiii,xv,xvi): Turn her over to Albrecht, failing that sell her to the Academy, failing that go after the raiding party.

    Grimgravy - A (ix): Go after the raiding party. Bring Nanshe, abstain from the rest of the options.

    Kipeci - A (iv,v,vi,vii,viii,x,xi,xiii,xiv): Go after the raiding party. Send the warriors and the dwarves. Keep the mages and the prisoner back along with the human and maul mercs.

    Jester - C>Dii: Turn her over to Albrecht, failing that sell her on to the academy.

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    The current winning option is as follows:

    You will pursue the raiding party.

    Derryth, Thaïs, Lyssa, Berty, Biliku, Uttu, Myora and Nanshe will go.

    Rand will stay with Jawbone.

    You will take the Royal Guards, their chariots, your carriage, all the dwarven mercs, all the human mercs, and all the maul mercs.
     
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  20. Kipeci Magister

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    Can I get someone to flop so that we have at least one reasonably strong mentalist mage to watch over Nanshe?
     
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  21. Nevill Arcane

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    Let's see.

    No, the Dwarves can't martial the ghols. The ghols won't fight for the dwarves. They kinda hate each other, if you haven't noticed. :|

    No, the alliance with the human empire is done for, thanks to our feud with the Brannons. They have closed the embassy right after the representative of the Empire was killed by the Watcher's forces. Alric will see it as a fitting punishment that the kingdom who falsely purged its citizens for being the followers of the Dark fell to the actual Dark. And Albrecht can't run for help to Alric after he started wearing royal colors to insult him. No real hope there, either.

    And about the chances of the dwarves by themselves, here is a little tidbit of what the Watcher could do with an army:
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    That was our army led by an archmage.

    Let's be realistic, the mages are the decisive force in every war. It is no coincidence that all the leaders and generals were mages - it was, after all, the Nine Avatara versus the Fallen. All the Fallen so far fell (excuse the bad pun) to the magical tricks. Shiver to the Deceiver, the unholy abomination that was Ravanna to Rabican's mind duel, The Watcher to the enchanted arrow, and Balor to the Eblis Stone. They weren't defeated in a straight battle.

    Currently the Watcher has 12 archmages under his command in his main army only. Albrecht... does he even have one? The best mages he has are us, his 'pet witches', and we are nowhere near that level. Alric could probably handle it, but I would not count on the dwarves.

    So yeah, there is a lot of incentive to weaken the Watcher, as he already has the resourses to fuck us over if he brings all the forces together, and he is only growing stronger by the day. We are already neck deep it this, and he gave us an ultimatum - 'join or die'. And from what I'm seeing, we are not joining. Non-interference won't get him off your back anymore.

    In light of that, I am amending my vote to bringing Nanshe with us. Swapping AXVII to AIX.

    Sure. You might want to save your fire for the actual Friends Forever agenda, as we aren't friends with Nanshe, and we don't intend to be.

    Funny how it comes to me defending a morally dubious choice of conspiring with a ghol for our own benefit from you. :lol:
     
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  22. Kipeci Magister

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    I was thinking more along the lines of having the dwarves take a yet more aggressive role in killing off the ghols directly instead of attempting to start a minor civil war between the ghols. There's obviously no love lost between the groups.

    If the Watcher is that absurdly strong and cost such a huge effort to be put down in the first place I'm not sure why Alric would just let it topple a kingdom and gain that as a power base beyond its growing army just because their king is annoying. There's teaching the lesser rulers a lesson and then there's insane stupidity in allowing that cancer to spread and fester.

    So, to recap... what exactly are we expecting one ghol leader who would need to wear very much lead around her neck at all times just to weaken the big glowing signal indicating where she is to any of the fellow servants of the Watcher exactly where she is to do against this, exactly? Sure, she can maybe lead her immediate followers and village to whatever end she wishes, but I don't remember her having all that much sway beyond that (granted I wasn't reading too closely) and that seems like an awfully skimpy base from which to expect her to actually inconvenience the Watcher. Do you really think that this is the difference between the dwarves collapsing or not? Because unless you are sure that the dwarves will fall apart to the Watcher unless we take to the particular choice of sending her to her home and hoping she begins a suicidal conflict against one of the most powerful mages ever for FREEDOM, every option seems to be better to me if we just have more money. Are the dwarves still around? Great, we have our investments and gold. Are the dwarves gonna die? If they die either way, isn't it just better to milk them for as much money as possible before they're inevitably crushed?
     
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  23. Nevill Arcane

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    I can't see them being any more agressive. Anyway, all it would achieve is turn the remaining tribes to Watcher for protection, effectively having the opposite effect.

    Yes, the kings and mages can be petty. Haven't you noticed?

    Closing the embassy when the threat of the Watcher's resurrection is stronger than ever was not among the smartest of moves. Yet the Brannons requested it, and the Emperor agreed. That in turn pissed Albrecht off - in addition to Brannons having close financial ties to the house that tried to overthrow him. The reconciliation will take either a lot of time, or an outright catastrophe.

    It is a bit of politics and a bit of a pissing contest. Sometimes it defies the common sense.

    Well, I haven't laid out the whole plan (I feel like it is a bit early for that), but one of the conditions I want to pose to her is that she lets everyone else who is unhappy with the current state of affairs know how to deal with the necklaces. It is not hard to send her ghols to different tribes, and it takes the heat off her, since it provides the Watcher with a lot of different targets. From there, I expect the news to spread like wildfire. Essentially, we will ensure that the clans won't unite behind the archmage, and we know this to be one of his goals. We will be setting back his plan with the necklaces. And I say that breathing time is often underestimated. Mazzarin have already lamented how far ahead the Watcher is:
    No, I am not sure the dwarves will fall apart, but I think they do not have enough resourses for the war they are facing. Not right now. We will need everything for this. Mazzarin. Albrecht. Heron Guards who can see further than their nose. Everyone. The war that is brewing will not end tomorrow by having Albrecht marshal his forces to the Keep. As it stands, they will get slaughtered.

    I may engage in wishful thinking when I say the ghols will turn against the Watcher (though some of them might), but if they simply desert him, that would still be a victory for our side.

    Every little bit helps. Discarding this opportunity in favor of extra jewgolds seems too short-sighted for me. The situation we are in is bigger than that.
     
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  24. Jester Arbiter

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    C>DII - Muster army, solve ghol and watcher problems, make travelling less safe, profit from protection C is best for us long term. DII most gold and mby academy will crack the enchants on shiny. A can work but only if we got hit, take gold and run like hell.

    Dont attempt Watcher diplomacy.
     
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  25. Jester Arbiter

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    Even more shocking and psychologically damaging if performed by naked warrior.
     
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