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Myth: A New Age CYOA

Discussion in 'Choose Your Own Adventure Land' started by Fangshi, Jan 15, 2014.

  1. Baltika9 Arcane

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    As for how we'll get out in E, we can have our friends on standby with a rope ladder or something. Derryth and Thais are the only ones going in there, that still leaves Lyssa and the ranger to help get us out of there. As a matter of fact, send one of the soldiers outside to get us a pack of cigarettes for later.
    But I'm hoping it won't come to us fighting our way out of there. Love solves everything, right?
     
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  2. Nevill Arcane

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    She keeps mentioning a 'polite society', but is there actually a society that would accept a half-demon? I know they tolerate ghols in Muirthemne as a part of their 'one law for all' agenda, but does Derryth know their policies concerning someone like Nephila?

    Where would she go to be able to live freely without being at odds with the locals? To the wilderness of the Forest Heart (it is actually really close by)? To the cities of the Trow who probably have seen their share of gods and demons in their lifetime? To the druids in the north?

    As she is not interested in returning to her mother (or having anything to do with her, really), I am strongly considering letting her out after taking an oath of mutual non-aggression (she is prohibited from harming us and our people directly or indirectly, including participation in the plots that are targeted against us), not feeding on sentient beings (or otherwise maiming them for whatever reason safe for self-defense), and teaching us how to ward off the fort from the singing beasts as a parting gift (if there were any left, that is - can she sense it?). Our paths may or may not cross again, I don't really care.

    We should probably feed her before sending her off. Just as a precaution. :)

    Hiring her would be a bit problematic, as I think it would be bad for us if we are seen together, and, well, I don't really fancy keeping someone with an alien psychology around.

    If anyone wants to add something to these conditions, please do. I guess I'll add it as G for the time being.

    Now I am sure there is a perfectly logical story explaining all of this, but for the moment I am completely and utterly confused. Morpheus is her father? How is he still alive then? And why did he help cage his own daughter? :?

    By the way, Fangshi, how does the binding oath work on demons? Does it make them physically unable to break the terms of contract? Or is it still possible, just extremely uncomfortable and costly for them?

    Just out of curiosity... does she share her mother's habit of disposing of the mate after the fact? I would also like to add non-consensual mating as a clause to our pact, just in case. :lol:
     
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  3. Fangshi Arcane

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    She means anywhere where there is a suitably large concentration of mages so that the extraordinary seems ordinary. There are all sorts of things that move in advanced mage circles, (just re-read your visit to Madb's shop or to the Brothers Deitfried for a hint,) demons are everywhere really though you might not always see them.

    There are circles she can travel in where people will be willing to deal with her and where her nature will be an advantage rather than a disadvantage, I mean just look at how 'morally' compromised your group of mages are and you are hardly special in that regard.

    And then she has her invisibility magic as well and perhaps some illusion spells if she can find a teacher.

    Actually those are three places she could not go without some advanced defences. The Forest Giants are not terribly tolerant of demons so she would have to shield herself and pretend to be a mage at all times and the druids would likely kill her on sight if they ever recognized what she is out of some misguided attempt to protect themselves. The Trow for their part simply do not accept outsiders in their midst anymore, they might tolerate her living alone in the dunes around them but they would not socialize with her, it would just be another sort of prison.

    She has already told you how she uses the threads but if you wanted to do the same you would need to find a way to create an unlimited supply of her own threads and you would need to learn how to listen through them (she does not know if that is possible) to eavesdrop or to determine the correct tone to use to defend the fort. The catch is that the tones are usually outside the range you can hear so you would need some way around it. Off the top of her head, Thaïs thinks Meletē could perhaps build a machine that could do it though she is still asleep so you can not know for sure.

    He is her father, she even bears a passing resemblance to him if you know what to look for.

    He is alive because the Spider Goddess did not kill him (I know, very helpful right? ;) ). He is alive because she could not kill him, perhaps when they 'did the deed(s)', so to speak, they were not in her realm and she did not have the power to hurt him... Of course that is all speculation on her part, she was not alive at the time so she can not say.

    Who says it was him that caged her? She likely would have recognized her own father if she saw him, it would not have been their first meeting after all. I mean unless she is lying about something.

    Well to understand this you need to know how demons make their deals (though the short answer is that it depends). She does not really have any trouble telling you as she largly does not care anymore however there is always the possibility that she is lying or has been lied to about this so keep that in mind.

    Now when most people think of a deal with a demon they think about the 'contract'. Contracts are a nice, safe, and clean method for two parties, often a mage and a demon or two demons, to come to an agreement whereby everyone gets what they want and no one has to worry about being screwed. For the most part demons are actually as trustworthy as most people you will meet, their minds just tend to be a little 'different' depending on just how well they understand mortals. She insists that all that 'demons are untrustworthy' nonsense is made up though you are not so sure.

    Anyway a contract usually begins when you summon up the demon in question (or maybe it approaches you) and the two of you sit down to negotiations. Sometimes it is a terrible battle of wills but just as often it is like an amicable meeting between old business partners. You hash out the terms and conditions, check and recheck the fine print and then you both put your mark on it, often in ink or whatever is readily available (blood is so old-fashioned and completely unnecesary, if a demon ever tells you that you need to sign in blood then they are either having you on or they are in love with the 'theatre' of it all.

    Contracts are a civilized tool for a civilized age and both parties are bound by the letter of the agreement if no the spirit of said agreement. Some unscrupulous parties on both side will attempt to bend contracts without breaking them and sometimes it even works though in her case the mortals simply broke the contract and she was the one that got screwed.

    The deal between the Goddess and House Erbach was a contract and it did not end well.

    There is one final component of a contract that is quite interesting, if all the original copies of the contract are destroyed then it ceases to have any power over any of the parties involved.

    There are also general verbal agreements. Both parties agree to a set of formally or informally negotiated conditions for a set duration. Once both parties agree to the terms they are bound by those terms for the duration of the contract. They are fairly informal arrangements and good for small agreements that do not matter too much to either party. You and Morpheus have come to just such an agreement in the update. You have both agreed to a set of conditions for a duration of your choosing, it is binding but it is not a heavy burden for either party.

    As to whether or not such an agreement can be broken she says it is complicated. Demons play by a convoluted set of rules which are very important to them.

    Can a demon break an agreement?

    Technically yes, she has heard of it happening. Though she does caution you not to spread that knowledge around too much as it is a bit of a trade secret and while she does not really care anymore there are plenty of demons that do care and might try to 'interrogate' you to see where you learnt that from.

    Will they break an agreement?

    Very rarely, because it would require them to break their 'word freely given' which is one of the most important things a demon has. They are beings that rely on lies and confusion for much of their lives but you can not organize a society based completely on lies and confusion so when a demon actual gives 'their word' it is literally their bond. If a demon breaks their word, then they can no longer remain within the larger planar society, they are essentially ruined from that point onward and the only place they can hide is, amusingly, among mortals. The more powerful the demon, the more they have to lose if they break their word, so unless you are dealing with an exile or something so powerful that it does not have to keep its word you are actually far more safe to enter into a verbal agreement with a demon than you would be to do the same with a mortal.

    Now from the way you phrased your deal here I think you actually want something a bit stronger, if that is the case then you want a proper 'oath'.

    An oath is something different entirely. An oath is old magic, it is what demon lords use when dealing with their equals. If both parties are demons then it will bind both for as long as they live and there is no way out of one unless such a provision is set up when the oath is sworn. If one of the parties is a mortal however than only the demon is bound to the deal as mortals are free to break any agreement they make no matter the type, however if the mortal does break the oath then the demon is immediately freed from any obligations or limitations imposed on it, in effect both parties are freed from the oath. This can have consequences (for one or both parties) but it does not have to as it is something that must be negotiated before the oath is sworn.

    Since oaths are old magic they often retain all the trappings of 'old-fashioned' demonic pacts, in particular blood pacts. Each party that is to take part in the oath cuts themselves and pours some blood into a nice big intimidating chalice or the skull of an old enemy or something (you don't have to use a chalice, you could use a beer mug or anything really but if you are going to go through all the trouble to form a blood pact then you might as well go big and dramatic, at least that is how she sees it). You mix the blood together, preferably you then fill the rest of the chalice up with something strong and bubbly (but again that is just her suggestion) and you all drink from it binding yourselves together with ancient magics and so on and so forth.

    The ritual is largely symbolic but she has been told it is fun. She does not know from experience though, it is fairly rare for mortals to demand such a thing and it is even rarer for a demon to accept. If you did it and she agreed to it then you would be her first, so she says to be gentle... :lol:

    Just to recap:

    If you sign a contract then the demon can not break it unless you break it first or all original copies are destroyed.

    If you form an agreement the demon may be able to break it but probably won't unless you are dealing with some exiled loner that does not have to deal with other demons or something like Azathoth (in which case you are fucked anyway) ;) .

    If you swear an oath then the demon is bound to it for all time unless there is a specific clause to release it in the oath or you break the oath first.

    Naturally demons will prefer agreements over contracts and contracts over oaths unless they are looking for a specific outcome or they are at a disadvantage/do not care anymore.

    She likes to think she has a smidgen more self-control than her mother. :lol:

    As long as she is full it should not be a problem, if she was hungry... well she would try to find something to eat first so that it did not become an issue.
     
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  4. Baltika9 Arcane

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    A little revision to E in light of recent information: since I'm not into blood orgies where participants get eaten alive, let's get her a meal first (roasted horse, with whatever spices we have) and some of our ale (the best, if we have any left). Let Thais do the whole planning and presentation part since she is the only one here who is good at seduction. And then give our guest a new lay, after we negotiate for our being unharmed (again, let Thais do her seduction thing, we help only as necessary; hopefully her courtesan years will be worth a damn here).
    Then we see what that leads to. A lesbo-demonic alliance, hopefully.
     
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  5. Absinthe Prophet

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    Didn't we kill him thrice? The first time was with the Heron Guard, right? Speaking of which, can we inform Morpheus about this? The impression we got out of his mind is that he gets exceedingly bored on his own and almost lives for those moments of novelty. How would the dreaming confine him?
     
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  6. Fangshi Arcane

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    That is correct, you did but there was no reason to tell Nanshe about it so the ladies didn't.

    It would confine him in two ways, it would prevent him from leaving since you need the right sorts of spells to get anywhere in the dreaming or enough power to just force your way to where you want. And it would confine him by removing his desire to leave, it would wrap him in dreams and illusions until he is unable to even realize he is being imprisoned. That is the beauty and the horror of the place, you can be trapped there for all time and never realize you are even caged.
     
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  7. Kipeci Magister

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    I can't agree with you on the particulars, Baltika. We need to keep icky lesbianism outside of this, have Ceannard take one for the team and apply dick to spinneret just as Allah intended!
     
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  8. Baltika9 Arcane

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    No, Caennard mustn't sample of her. We don't want the filthy male to get any ideas now.
     
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  9. zerozero Literate

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    How about this option

    Primary Deal - For her complete freedom

    This primary deal to supersede any other deals made previously with anyone else.

    An oath that deals with:-

    A non-aggression agreement between Nephila and the Lost.

    Not to tell anyone that we freed her or any of our secrets.

    Always tell the truth to you/ members of the Lost.

    A verbal agreement to:-

    Teach us any mage skills she has.

    Information regarding the King, Location of artefacts and history of Spider artefacts, Rand & Eberhardt dealings etc.

    A contract to:-

    Deal with the demons below the fort by either permanently killing them or sealing them away (we would help her achieve this)

    Secure the tunnels below the fort (we will also help in this) by sealing them up and building new ones.


    My main concern is the implied hold that Rand has over Nephila as we can't get any details about him. Would our oath supersede anything that Rand has over her. Nothing works if Rand has the ultimate control.

    Ask Nephila about this please Fangshi.


    Once the demons and tunnels are dealt with, try to win Nephila as an ally by offering various options:-

    Option A - Tunnel Realm

    If she wants the tunnels as her new realm do a another contract setting out boundaries and rules of engagement. She total rules her realm with a non aggressive agreement with Blackfort i.e. we don't step foot in her place and she does the same, borders defined, a small free zone for us to build some escape tunnels for ourselves, an interface zone to trade and swap information.


    Option B - Catacombs and secret tower

    Help her to re- locate to the catacombs and setup a power base if it doesn't interfere with our plans. We want her as an ally.


    Option C - Join the guild/ Party

    Risky ... but depending on whether she has any powerful illusion spells and some concrete oaths not to eat, betray the party etc this could work. Nephila could be a full party member, a secret independent one roaming freely, located to any of our various locations or anything you can think of.


    Option D - Mediator / Contacts

    Introduce her to contacts so she can travel, give her some resources and befriend her as an ally.


    Option E - Gate

    Send her back to the Spider realm like a lost puppy finding home.


    Option F - No Strings

    Send her off on her merry way like a proud parent with tears in our eyes.


    All of this depends on a certain level of trust on both sides and dealing in good faith, it could all end badly, ask constantine ....


    If you free or kill her, you will have access to her cell to:-

    Take the metal bars of the prison. the metal seems to be incredibility strong and maybe re-forged to make armour, weapons, chains, the aphids can eat it and transform it to strong thread that could be used to make cloth, rope etc.

    Is this possible to re-forge the metal Fangshi?

    Gate - Either destroy or block it off if we can't change the location of the gate i.e. instead of the gate to the spider realm could you change it to a Muirthemne.

    Is this possible Fangshi to change the gate location points?



    Cheers and thanks Fangshi for the work.

    Nevill you are more inventive than me :)
     
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  10. Fangshi Arcane

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    :hmmm:

    Alright, splitting the demon fucking into male and female only variants...

    She might be willing to swear such an oath for her freedom.

    The non-aggression pact is not a problem, you have not harmed her so she does not really have a compelling reason to harm you.

    She should be able to promise that, there is currently no deal forcing her to tell anyone the truth.

    She does require clarification with the third item though. Now did you want that to be any member of the lost or only specific people. Is she supposed to tell the complete truth to anyone that can provide reasonable proof that they work for you (even if that proof could potentially be forged or that person could be potential compromised) or only to people you have personally introduced to her or do you want her to use some other means of selection. If your organization continues to grow that might become a bit of an issue if she can not lie to anyone that works for you. She will also not be able to lie even if you ask her to since she will be bound by an oath with no means to break it unless you break your half of the oath first.

    Which brings her to her requests since she will not swear an oath that asks nothing of you.

    She will expect the Lost not to knowingly harm her or those under her protection (essentially she wants the non-aggression pact extended to anyone that comes under her care, if she develops friends she does not want you coming after them to hurt her without breaking the deal).

    She wants you to be truthful with her if she asks you a direct question about something, though she will only extend this condition to you, Thaïs and Lyssa.

    And she wants you to promise not to reveal where you learnt her secrets from. She has no problem giving you information but she does not want some furious demon prince showing up some day demanding her head because she told you a secret.

    If those conditions are acceptable then she is prepared to swear the oath and bind it with a pact. If not then she is open to further negotiation.

    She has no problem teaching you what she knows though common courtesy would usually require you to teach her something in return. You do not have to though, it would merely be polite.

    She can tell you all she knows about the king, and the history of her people, if you have any artifacts you want her to identify she can also try to do that to the best of her ability. She wants a meal in exchange though, she is still a bit peckish.

    She has no problem telling you about what the Eberhardts were up to (at least the bits she heard) but she can not tell you anything specific about Rand. She has no agreements with him but she simply can not tell you anything and she can not tell you why she can not tell you either. Whether that is because she can not tell you or will not tell you is again, something she says she can not tell you. About all she can manage to say is that he is like the lock but again she can not tell you anything about the lock.

    She is only willing to go into details after the arrangement has been finalized though (essentially after the vote in the next update).

    It would be her pleasure, she would like some proper clothes, weapons and the like in return though if she is going to be running through those tunnels. She will also need sufficient support to wage such a campaign but that can be sorted out later. For the moment she is prepared to agree to the campaign in principle and will sign a contract to that effect.

    An oath can not supersede a previous oath for that would be breaking the previous oath which she can not do. However she tells you that she has never sworn an oath before and that Rand does not have any formal hold over her. He did not need to compel her when he could simply let her starve if she misbehaved. She simply can not give you any details about Rand beyond the most basic, he was vaguely human, he was average in every way, when she looked at him she was filled with acute pride and disappointment in equal measure though she is not sure why and she found him very interesting but only when he was not around and only because she has such trouble remembering anything about him. He reminds her of that lock but that is about all she can really say. Hard to say if she is telling the truth or not but it does not feel like she is lying.

    Well, you present her with the options and here is what she thinks of them at first blush:

    She is not terribly impressed with option A. If she succeeds in killing off all of the creatures then there will be little for her to do in those tunnels though she could lay a brood if you want just to maintain a presence there (she would have to remain with them for a few months to set up a command structure of course) but beyond that she sees A as awfully boring.

    She thinks B has promise, a secret tower and untold riches, adventure and danger and mystery. She would have no problem with that if you are willing. She could lay a brood there too if you need more guards as well though again she would have to spend time setting it up.

    She thinks C would be a lot of fun but she does agree it would be risky. She could wear a cloak and a hood, maybe a mask, as a precaution and she does have her invisibility spells if needed but she would need some training in Illusion spells if you really wanted her to pass scrutiny. Lyssa might be able to teach her though if you want. So if your willing to take the risk she would not object.

    D would be nice, she would have her freedom and if you sent her to Mabd the mage could likely set her up with a Circle that is hiring or and adventuring company looking for a bit of an edge and not afraid to 'deal with demons'. She is perfectly fine with such an arrangement.

    E was one of her suggestions so she says she is fine with it though you think you sense a little apprehension coming from her.

    F she has no problem with this either and would gladly go her own way.

    Possibly, you have not tried to heat it yet so that might work. If she could not break it then you are not likely to either. You could try to find out more about the demon that made the bars, that might tell you how to break them but to do that you would need to talk to someone that knows a lot about demons. You could try the Royal Academy or Morpheus perhaps.

    It is possible to change the location points of a gate but you would need to first see if those inscriptions on it are merely decoration or actual spells. If the location of the Spider Goddess' realm is etched into the very gate then it will only go to her realm (or the void if it is damaged). To do that though you would need to get past the bars.

    It is a pleasure as always.
     
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  11. Nevill Arcane

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    I can almost feel relief seeping through the letters. :lol:

    That should not be a problem, provided that her charges will abide by the same non-aggression pact. Naturally, if they seek to do us or our people harm in any way, their protection will be void - without breaking the initial oath.

    Actually, let's also postulate that she should not take under her protection people or beings that are hostile or otherwise harmful to us.

    I would also insist on adding a clause about the other sentient beings (no feeding on them, no killing or maiming them except for self-defense), with the exclusion of those that we specifically allow her to (such as the singing beasts or other demonic creatures) prior or after signing an oath. The reason behind this is that it can easily force our hand and break the non-aggression pact if she goes on a killing spree. Granted, she is smarter than most and should understand that this is not in her interests, but she admits her hunger overrides reason sometimes. She'll have to deal with that so it doesn't become an issue for all of us.

    Out of her options, I vastly prefer D or F over anything else. Mabd would probably be ideal if she can hook her up with some adventurers.
     
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  12. Fangshi Arcane

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    Naturally, she would be fine with a self defense clause. If someone or something attacks you, you have to defend yourself just as she does.

    Not terribly practical unless you intend to keep her close by in the future. If she goes her own way she has no way of knowing whether a random person she hits it off with is an enemy of your or not and that is without taking into account that someone can be harmful to you without even being hostile. She could befriend someone that harms you without even knowing it and that would break the contract on her end. She could quite easily end up breaking her word unintentionally with this clause so she can not agree to it as written unless you intend to keep her 'in the loop' (options A, B and/or C).

    She does not necessarily have a problem with that though you would need a reliable way to contact her if you want to expand the list of beings she is allowed to get 'proactive' about. Incidentally she would recommend against eating the rhyming beasts, they are poisonous, even to her.
     
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  13. Nevill Arcane

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    That can be sidestepped by adding 'knowingly' to the wording. So if at any point she discovers she took one of our enemies under her wing, the protection clause ceases to exist.

    I don't really intend for her to be a weapon. I would be perfectly fine if she becomes a librarian in some magic tower and spends the rest of her days in peace. This mostly exists for her own sake so that she would be able to seek permission to get proactive if she really needs it.

    Which of the deal options zerozero listed allow us to see her out of the fort before our reinforcements arrive? I don't think they need to know about that.
    What kind of help would she need from us to secure the tunnels and seal the singing beasts?

    I think Derryth, Thais, Lyssa and people we would specifically point towards would do for now. It's up to zerozero to clarify this point, but I don't see why we need it to be more inclusive than that with the non-aggression pact in place.
     
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  14. Azira Arcane Patron

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    I'm not formally voting yet, but I'm much more attracted to the idea of working out a deal, preferably an oath, with the demon. Rather than sleeping with it... Really... :rpgcodex:
     
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  15. Fangshi Arcane

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    Ah, they will likely arrive in an hour or two so none of them. You will need to get her out of that cage, give her a meal so she does not attack, outfit her and send her into the tunnels with enough men to get started cleaning out the creatures, then there is the provision about her teaching you magic which would take some time as she does have some interesting spells. If you spent a few days with her you could learn some of the simple ones given the amount of free time you have on average. If you wanted to learn everything she knows you are looking at a time frame of a couple of months (longer if you observe the basic courtesy of teaching her in return) which may or may not be practical.

    To do all that will likely take up more time than you have so if you don't want them to find out about her then you will need to sneak her around the fort and out the gates (since you collapsed the tunnels out).

    That being said you could probably wrap her in a cloak, throw a hood on her and claim she is a servant until you are clear of the fort, she is not that far off a human as far as shape goes, assuming you are not planning to stay at the tower for any significant amount of time. (If you were going to stay longer than it would be easiest to hide her if you moved her up into your tower or left her in the passage.)

    To seal the tunnels she only needs explosives and a team to lay them where she tells them. To secure the tunnels she would need teams stationed at specific points to monitor for any attempts by the creatures to burrow up. It should not take long to set up those sorts of defences.

    If you want her to make sure the creatures are dead, including their queen, then she will need men and provisions to conduct a proper investigation and possibly a military campaign.

    Alternatively you could lend her one man for an evening and she could create her own soldiers though she would still require provisions unless you want her offspring ranging around for food.
     
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  16. Nevill Arcane

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    So what are our options if we want to leave for Myrgard as soon as possible?

    Would that plan work?

    1) Swear an oath of non-aggression with her with all the caveats mentioned above:
    2) Feed her.
    3) Ask her about the Eberhardt plots and other information that might be of immediate interest to us and would fit into those 1-2 hours we have until the Lords arrive.
    4) Disguise her to avoid attention from the Great Lords and their forces. (We will probably fly away to the capital at this point)
    5) Instruct some of our own men to cooperate with her to seal off the creatures or otherwise make them a non-issue. Take a word from her that she would do everything in her power to have them return to the fort safely.
    6) Point her to Mabd so that she could go to her after she is done here.

    We can't really learn her magic secrets here unless we stay or take her with us, and I am against both. Still, our paths might cross again in Muirthemne and we might work something out there.

    Does she need money or other equipment to make it to Muirthemne safely?

    Uh... thankis, I guess. Is there a reason she is giving us that advise? 'Cause we weren't big fans of eating our enemies in the first place... :?
     
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  17. Fangshi Arcane

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    If you are in a rush than leaving her in the cage/killing her are the quickest routes by far.

    Yes, that would work if you want her gone quickly and want to leave quickly.

    Money, transportation and equipment would make her life easier, the question is how much you want to give her.

    She said it because of the way you phrased your condition:

    She locked right on to those parts of the sentence because she is still quite hungry. That hare you gave her was the equivalent of a handful or peanuts, it has quieted down her stomach a little but she still would like a proper meal, she has food on her mind.
     
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  18. Nevill Arcane

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    It's not like I want her gone quickly, it's just I don't know when we will visit the fort again, so there is no point in her staying there if we plan to release her.

    What does she mean by transportation?

    How much money a person needs to get to Muirthemne from here? Especially if they know 'Invisibility' to avoid hostiles.

    We paid Trakk about 7 WPs for protection. Can't imagine she needs much more than that.

    Incidentally, how long Lyssa would need to learn 'Invisibility' from her?

    Edit: What kind of equipment she needs? I assume the fort has standard armory and we have a lot of gear to spare after losing about 50% of our forces.
     
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  19. Fangshi Arcane

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    Same as anyone else, a horse, a carriage, that sort of thing.

    She needs a lot of food to keep going, now she could just steal cattle and the like as she goes or she could pay for it but to pay for it she would need money, just like she could sleep in barns and deserted homes or at inns but again, money. So she can do with next to nothing or she can do with a few WPs your choice.

    Maybe a day, maybe a little less to know it.

    To master it, maybe three or four days, maybe a week.
     
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  21. Nevill Arcane

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    Would we ever see the horse again? :lol:

    That brings me up to the question again. How much does she need? 5 WPs? 10 WPs? More?

    I can probably spare up to 10 WPs if she would be willing to cooperate with us further in Muirthemne - exchange a few notes on spells and the like.
     
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    All she an promise is that she would try really hard not to eat it. ;)

    Oh five should do perfectly fine for her, if you wanted to be generous then ten would be more than she needs and would give her a bit of a cushion.

    She would not have time to make the notes now before you leave if you want to be gone quickly but she could leave them with Madb in Muirthemne if you go that route or she could leave them in your tower if you go with some of the other options, finally if she stays with you then that won't be necessary of course.
     
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  23. Nevill Arcane

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    So let's modify G:

    1) Swear an oath of non-aggression with her with all the caveats mentioned above:
    A non-aggression agreement between Nephila and the Lost.
    An agreement not to feed on the sentients and not to kill safe for self-defense.
    Not to tell anyone that we freed her or any of our secrets.
    Always tell the truth to you or to the members of the Lost you specifically mention.
    2) Feed her.
    3) Ask her about the Eberhardt plots and other information that might be of immediate interest to us and would fit into those 1-2 hours we have until the Lords arrive.
    4) Disguise her to avoid attention from the Great Lords and their forces. (We will probably fly away to the capital at this point)
    5) Instruct some of our own men to cooperate with her to seal off the singing beasts or otherwise make them a non-issue. Take a word from her that she would do everything in her power to have them return to the fort safely.
    6) Point her to Mabd so that she could go to her after she is done here. Mabd is considered a part of our people for the purposes of the non-aggression pact.

    i. You give her equipment and a bit of money to make it to Muirthemne safely as a token of your future cooperation.
    ii You give equipment to make it to Muirthemne safely, but don't give her money.
    iii You let her provide for herself.

    And I'll vote Gi (or GC with the new choices).

    I don't plan to stay in the fort any longer than I absolutely have to, so if there is anything we want to learn from Nephila, we will have to do it in Muirthemne. To that end, I am willing to provide her with a bit of resourses as an investment a sign of goodwill.

    I don't see a reason to kill her. She is not one of the Spider Goddess minions - so if we want to spite or weaken the deity, that does nothing. She is not our enemy or a threat to our people - the oath would ensure that. There is just no point.
     
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  24. asxetos Augur

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    I am voting Gi from Nevill's post. Since Nephila is not leaving before the army comes, can we also ask her to spy on them for us? We should also find a way to free her from Rand's deal (and maybe all previous deals too if possible).
     
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  25. Nevill Arcane

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    I want to turn Mabd's shop into a hub for our meetings with her, and make Mabd a go-to person if any of us needs anything from the other. Sort of like how when we wanted to send a message to Gareth and Brigit without knowing where they were, we sent a letter to Ian instead.

    I am not prepared to divulge information about our secret tower to Nephila just yet. It is called a 'secret tower' precisely because we don't blab about it. And it is a bit too close to her mother's former place of power.
     
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