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Myth: A New Age CYOA

Discussion in 'Choose Your Own Adventure Land' started by Fangshi, Jan 15, 2014.

  1. Fangshi Arcane

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    That is what I am getting at. Albrecht 'asked' him in private to take a 'vacation'. He 'declined'. If Albrecht forces the issue in public then it will reveal his weakness, his inability to control his children like a proper dwarf should. Right now it appears like the King just does not care, Wenzel is 'beneath his notice' and so no one else cares. If it becomes public knowledge that Wenzel is defying his father, that will lead to a loss of face/prestige and can be used by his opponents.

    The only other solution that he sees as acceptable is to have his son killed secretly. He is not so heartless as to desire that so he pretends not to notice, leading everyone else to ignore the issue as well.

    The Prince of Dreams is always looking for more pieces for his collection. He does not have too many princes and Wenzel would make it an even three hundred, a nice round number.

    Just make the airship a casino for the fabulously wealthy. It will pay for itself.

    A full blown Final Fantasy style airship though would be quite expensive to build since they tend to be quite impressive constructs. Probably 5000 to 10000 WPs to build and a few hundred WPs to maintain monthly. It would certainly be a powerful tool though and a monument to its owner's wealth and power.

    One way to help handle the cost would be to attract investors to cover the development costs. There are definitely individuals in the world that would like the ability to carry large amounts of cargo (or soldiers) across the continent without having to worry about raiders, bandits and monsters. They would likely want airships of their own and you could make a fortune building them (provided it is possible of course). That would also mean that at some point you would lose control on who exactly can build and field such things.

    If you wanted to do it on your own you would need a substantial financial (and perhaps industrial) base from which to work. It would take time and it would be a considerable investment but you would also be able to ensure that you are the only owner of such a device (at least for a few years until the rest of the world tries to catch up).

    The government has stores of food. And the garrison currently in Myrgard is as big as the army heading south, then factor in mercenaries, House guards, militias and the like and he can probably field a force of several thousand. No way to know at the moment if that is enough to win with.

    The King seems to think that if left alone his enemies in the south will kill each other and he is not terribly concerned about Stoneheim, his is a 'northern House' and the fall of Stoneheim will not hit him as hard as it will many of his opponents. It is a calculated risk.

    Who knows? ;)

    There were hundreds of ghôls under the Watcher's command. They are now all free and if your plan worked they have probably all thrown their support behind Nanshe.

    The only ones that stayed were members of his priesthood since they would be killed by the free ghôls if they are caught by them.

    Unfortunately I can not answer any questions beyond that since Derryth does not know what Nanshe has been up to.

    As far as unification of all ghôlish clans goes Derryth believes it is unlikely, at least in the short to mid term. No one knows how many ghôls are out there or how many lands they claim in whole or in part. Some scholars think there may be thirty or forty thousand in total, others think there are hundreds of thousands and a few even claim there are millions. At any rate it would take a fair amount of time and a lot of effort to unify them.

    I suppose you could contact her in the Dreaming and ask her really nicely how many soldiers she can currently raise. It might work. ;)

    That is correct. If that seems unfair I would simply say that it is likely that even the loyalist lords do not want a particularly strong King that can order them about easily.

    City guards mostly and they do not get to use balloons and mortars.

    Who is disobeying Albrecht?

    Certainly if someone does disobey him then he could send in the army and draw everyone's attention to the issue but so far there has been no such treasonous activity. :lol:

    Oh, you certainly can use force on all those that disobey the clear orders of their sovereign lord or his representatives. Should you find such people feel free to. :lol:

    Oh certainly, if someone is being held illegally then it is completely within the King's power (or your power as his representatives) to demand their release. Should you find evidence that someone is being so terribly mistreated then feel free to make demands of the offending party. No doubt they will immediately move to release the prisoner should they have such a prisoner.

    However you have made no demands of Wenzel and he has refused you nothing. You have not even spoken to him yet so the use of such a threat of force would still be seen as quite excessive by the nobility and other interested parties.

    If he tries to kill you and fails then feel free to kill him. You already have permission to kill any or all of his family if you feel you need to, Albrecht has been fairly clear that he places the survival of his kingdom over that of his family.

    He would prefer though that you not murder his children unless it is neccesary.

    If you want Albrecht to have Wenzel killed then go talk to Albrecht and if you have a compelling reason the King will put you in touch with the necessary people to ensure it gets done. You will have to excuse him if he does not want to directly participate in the murder of his children.

    Beyond that you already have permission to do what you deem necessary to preserve the Kingdom.

    If Wenzel killed someone important to you and you asked Albrecht to have him killed he would likely agree to it. He likely would not like the idea but if you convince him that it is necessary then that is what he will do as you are much more useful to the Kingdom than Wenzel is.

    If Wenzel killed you both but some of your people survived it is hard to say what the King would do. Your people are not worth much to the King directly and it is hard to say if 'justice' would outweigh a father's love for his son, even a son like Wenzel.

    He trusts you to take care of yourself. If you need resources or personnel then ask for them and he will do what he can.

    It would depend on the situation.

    What he is trying to say is that it would be devastating for his House to have Wenzel arrested on a charge of treason.

    The only way the King could guarantee your safety is to tie the two of you up in your chambers and never let you leave the palace. He has given you complete control over the investigation and as long as you don't burn down what is left of the city you will have his support. :lol:
     
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  2. archaen Arbiter Patron

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    Ill also flop to 1.D > 1.A
    I would also like to ammend my 2.Bii vote to include Nevill's 2.Biii but also ask for a meeting or location of "She who waits" from Morpheus. I assume he knows who she is. I would like the eldritch horror waiting to plunge a knife into the back of the spider goddess get involved on our side sooner rather than later.
     
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  3. Fangshi Arcane

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    That can likely be arranged (provided there are no objections) should you decide to talk to Morpheus.

    Current Tally:

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    asxetos:
    1.A
    2.A
    3.A
    4.x

    Kz3r0:
    1.Bi
    2.Biii
    3.B
    4.B

    Nevill:
    1.D
    2.Biii
    3.B
    4.A

    Jester:
    1.A
    2.Biv
    3.A
    4.x

    archaen:
    1.D>A
    2.Biii
    3.A
    4.x

    Grimgravy:
    1.D>A
    2.Bv
    3.A
    4.B

    Absinthe:
    1.D
    2.x
    3.x
    4.B

    GreyViper:
    1.D
    2.Bii
    3.A
    4.x

    1.
    A) 2 votes
    B)
    i.
    ii. 1 vote
    C)
    D) 5 votes

    2. 1 abstain
    A) 1 vote
    B)
    i.
    ii. 1 vote
    iii. 3 votes
    iv. 1 vote
    v. 1 vote

    3. 1 abstain
    A) 5 votes
    B) 2 votes

    4. 4 undeclared
    A)
    i.
    ii. 1 vote
    B) 3 votes
     
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  4. Absinthe Prophet

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    4B This plan is fucking dangerous. If our luck is sour, the spider goddess could attack us right in the dreaming and that would be the end.
     
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  5. Nevill Arcane

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    Ahem. 'Disappeared' would be a better word. :)

    I was thinking more like using the unique qualities of the Dreaming to turn it into a behavior correction center and inviting Wenzel for a temporary stay of several years.

    See, I don't want you to think that we have found our AWESUM BUTTON and that Islam the Dreaming has all the answers, but you have introduced a whole plane with unlimited potential, and I want to explore that. Dreams can be (or feel) no less real than reality itself, but there are no limits to what is possible within a dream. We have already indirectly asked Morpheus to keep an eye on the mental state of our sedated friends, we are using lucid dreams to enhance our abilities and understanding of ourselves, we have used it as the world's first instant messenger client, and there are bound to be even more uses for it that we did not think of yet.

    If we ever want to, we can even gradually prepare Hallr to the idea of reality, and have far more control over how well he takes it. Not that I think we would ever do that, but it is possible.

    Bringing Wenzel in to participate in the third Great War against the Dark, dragging him through blood, mud and shit where no one cares for what he was in his previous life so far as he can hold a sword, with no luxuries left to enjoy but a roasted rat and a feeling of camaraderie between the survivors, with money and station losing their meaning in the face of the enemy who simply does not care - I think such an experience can be life-changing. Of course, if we want it to stick, we would have to tie the legend up with the state he will find the world in upon his return.

    Can the Dreaming do that? Forge people into what we want them to be, I mean? We already plan to use it as a platform to fight our fears and complexes, as part of our memory integration sessions. I feel like expanding upon the idea. :)

    Yeah, about six hundreds or so, according to Nanshe. That's not a big deal, in theory. If I recall correctly, Ceannard and his sixteen archers alone have killed about 100 of them on the way back from the desert. Even though Uttu may have been exaggerating, Biliku has no reason to.

    That's about the numbers I expect to see on the ghol side.

    Or we can meet her personally in two days if she is still alive by then. I think we would have a few things to talk about.

    City guards are good against citizen riots and other disorganized rabble. When you have an army of several hundreds of armed thugs sitting in a fortified compound to pacify, you want something stronger than police force - a SWAT team equivalent, at the very least - and since it looks like they do not officially exist, that is why I was angling for the military support.

    That is why I am asking what I am allowed to bring to the negotiations table when dealing with such matters.

    Do I read it correctly that the Weazels disobeying Albrecht would not be half as much problematic as Wenzel disobeying Albrecht? Is that what I am reading? :)

    Meaning that I can not employ such a force unless I make proof of one's illegal activities public?

    I can see now why the dwarves have a bit of a terrorist problem. :D

    We can likely deal with Wenzel perfectly by ourselves, thank you. But I would like to explore that idea about the correction center.

    Fair enough. :salute:

    I am interested in that as well.

    However, I must caution people that She-Who-Waits perhaps does not harbor that much of a grudge against her sister as one might think:
    Still, I would like to talk to her all the same.

    And I guess I will rephrase my 4th choise without altering the existing votes. I am interested in having a talk with the Goddess regardless of whether we get to threaten her or not. The list of topics and the reasons why she might answer us are outlined in this post. And put me down for 4 Aii>Ai.

    4. A Plan: You will ask Morpheus to put you through with the Spider Goddess. Since you have common enemies, despite being enemies yourselves, you might even exchange some of the information that does not directly concern you. You would like to look your adversary in the eyes and see what are her goals in all of this, and it should be rather safe since Morpheus is under an agreement to grant you protection while in the Dreaming.
    Ai)
    You go through with the plan to contact the Goddess. You think such a meeting might give you additional insight into the situation you are in, even though she is hostile to you and not terribly trustworthy.
    Aii) You will contact the Goddess, but you will also write a will requesting Mazzarin to destroy her, her kin and any of her followers of note (with the obvious exceptions of your girls, the orphans, Christine and Nephila) if you ever die regardless of the reason to blackmail her into not interfering with your actions. You are as sick of her constant meddling as she is of yours.
    B) No, you do not contact the Goddess. You do not believe it will work and you see it as a waste of time and resources.

    It is Morpheus' plane. He is stronger than she is there, and he is obligated to protect us. And according to Lyssa, no harm can come to you while you are dreaming. 'Things that do not play by the rules' do not include the Spider Goddess who can be forced to comply by virtue of being weaker than the Prince.
    If Morpheus can't hurt us in his place of power, the Goddess would not be able to, either. Case in point:
    It is one of the reasons I refused the plan with the egg. It should be perfectly safe.
     
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  6. Fangshi Arcane

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    Disappeared could also work, yes, as long as he does not show up later accusing the Crown of anything.

    It has never been done. You would have to introduce the idea to Morpheus, he might find it... fun. :smug:

    There would also be the issue of getting Wenzel back though. Now this may not be too difficult as the lords of the Dreaming are used to trading pieces in their collections on a fairly regular basis (like sports cards for example) but what it would mean is that you would have to give him something or someone of equal or greater value.

    The Pathfinder officer branch fills that position. If they have to go in the problem inevitably disappears.

    Quite possibly.

    Meaning it would be seen as quite inappropriate to jump immediately to the most extreme weapons available to you. :lol:


    RE: The Spider Goddess meeting

    Sure, I can split the meeting into 'threatening' and 'neutral' varieties if you wish. They will be counted separately though as they carry with them the potential to create widely different outcomes.
     
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  7. Nevill Arcane

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    With the rate we are feeding Morpheus new souls it would be more of a problem to find people that are still awake after several years. :lol:

    But I want to be XTREME. Like Bari. He was pretty cool when he had limbs. :(
     
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  8. GreyViper Erudite

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    1 .D
    2. Bii Ask Morpheus how to restore Meletē fastest way possible.
    3. A
     
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  9. Nevill Arcane

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    So... just to clear things up.

    How would 2Biii work in combination with 3A? We tell him that Janine is dead and then dump him in the world where she is supposedly alive?

    They are kind of at odds with one another.
     
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  10. Nevill Arcane

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    :M

    No word on cameras yet. Though there are ways to record and preserve dreams. We might build upon that.

    Oh, and airstrikes are already a thing. You might want to check the ending of the Battle for Blackrock. ;)

    By the way, have you heard that we promised a pocket-sized airforce to the rodents of Fort Blackrock?
     
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  11. Baltika9 Arcane

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    C
    Biv
    A
    Aii
     
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  12. Nevill Arcane

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    Hm. I thought there would be more interest in talking to the Goddess in a controlled environment. We have practically rushed out of the Eberhardt compound to meet Ceannard's employer in person just to know what his deal was, and that's when we didn't even know if he was the force behind the eagles or the crows.

    Ah, well. Guess we'll have to settle for She-Who-Waits.
     
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  13. Fangshi Arcane

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    Just a reminder, the current leading options are:

    1.D You will have Albrecht try to summon Wenzel to the palace first thing in the morning

    2.Biii You will have Morpheus build a specific Dream for Hallr where Janine and his subordinates are alive and well, he will remain there forever. In exchange you will request everything Hallr knows.

    3.A You will tell Hallr that Janine, his apprentice and many of his subordinates are dead when you next see him.

    4.B You will not arrange for a meeting with the Spider Goddess at this time.

    I will probably close the vote in twenty four hours or so.

    Current Tally:

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    asxetos:
    1.A
    2.A
    3.B
    4.x

    Kz3r0:
    1.Bi
    2.Biii
    3.B
    4.B

    Nevill:
    1.D
    2.Biii
    3.B
    4.Ai

    Jester:
    1.A
    2.Biv
    3.A
    4.x

    archaen:
    1.D>A
    2.Biii
    3.B
    4.Ai

    Grimgravy:
    1.D>A
    2.Bv
    3.A
    4.B

    Absinthe:
    1.D
    2.x
    3.x
    4.B

    GreyViper:
    1.D
    2.Bii
    3.A
    4.x

    Baltika9:
    1.C
    2.Biv
    3.A
    4.Aii>Ai

    1.
    A) 2 votes
    B)
    i.
    ii. 1 vote
    C) 1 vote
    D) 5 votes

    2. 1 abstain
    A) 1 vote
    B)
    i.
    ii. 1 vote
    iii. 3 votes
    iv. 2 votes
    v. 1 vote

    3. 1 abstain
    A) 5 votes
    B) 3 votes

    4. 3 undeclared
    A)
    i. 2 votes
    ii. 1 vote
    B) 3 votes

    Post Flop:
    1.
    A) 2 votes
    B)
    i.
    ii. 1 vote
    C) 1 vote
    D) 5 votes

    2. 1 abstain
    A) 1 vote
    B)
    i.
    ii. 1 vote
    iii. 3 votes
    iv. 2 votes
    v. 1 vote

    3. 1 abstain
    A) 4 votes
    B) 4 votes

    4. 3 undeclared
    A)
    i. 3 votes
    ii.
    B) 3 votes
     
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  14. Nevill Arcane

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    An excellent torture chamber for a dirty cultist.

    I don't suppose anyone would want to flop to something that would make more sense?

    I actually had an idea of arranging for a special dream for Hallr where he could witness all of the events he missed while being unconscious. I would give him a choice of whom to support - his friends, or us - and would decide what to do with him further based on what he chooses. But I guess that won't happen.
     
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  15. asxetos Augur

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    I still think its too harsh for someone who is misguided but not necessarily evil.
    At least lets go with 3B.
     
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  16. Nevill Arcane

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    What exactly is too harsh?

    Why is killing him better? Why is telling him that his friends and lover are dead before we kill him better? Why crush the last hope?

    That's a lot like killing children on the parents' eyes. Cruelty for the sake of cruelty. If you absolutely have to do it, at least have the dignity not to torture people without need.

    I wanted to put him in the closet for the time being while making his stay there as comfortable as possible. 3A turns the idea into a farce.

    If you are not letting him go with Biv or Bv, that's merely sadistic.
     
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  17. Grimgravy Augur Patron

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    I've made my opinion clear. Letting him go is the most consistent with our past choices with helpless "enemies" and the most humane option.
     
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  18. Nevill Arcane

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    I understand your position. But again, the options that make sense for our characters are:

    - Kill him and be done with it. Well, give him to the dwarves, actually, but that's the same.
    - Detain him in the Dreaming and use the information he has to further our investigation. That's BiiB or BiiiB.
    - Let him go and do what he wants. That's BivA or BvA.

    Instead we get something stupid because there is no consensus of what to do with him even within a single option.

    By the way, if we are bringing the past choices up, what about the Eberhardt witch hunt? There probably was a considerable number of innocents and 'helpless' people among their supporters (seeing how whole families were executed), yet we killed those anyway to root the opposition out completely.

    Sometimes you do what you have to do.
     
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  19. archaen Arbiter Patron

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    I accidentally 3.A. Flopping to 3.B. I will vote for 4.Aii.
     
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  20. Nevill Arcane

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    I am kind of reevaluating Aii, even though it is my idea. Can't we talk to her normally, first? We never tried, but then again, we did not have a lot to talk about before.

    It's not like we can't make use of our threat at any other time.
     
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  21. archaen Arbiter Patron

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    Ill gladly flop to Ai if everyone else will.
     
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  22. Nevill Arcane

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  23. Baltika9 Arcane

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    Flopping to 4Aii>Ai.
     
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  24. asxetos Augur

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    Nevill i meant 3B ofcourse. edited my original post too, sorry.
     
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  25. archaen Arbiter Patron

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    With that I flop 4.Ai
     
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