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Myth: A New Age CYOA

Discussion in 'Choose Your Own Adventure Land' started by Fangshi, Jan 15, 2014.

  1. Smashing Axe Arcane Patron

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    We pretty much have it. So now, if I may, I'd like to propose the Hat Solution:

    First say : My name is Derryth.

    Also check that we're still wearing our hat.

    Ask A
    Q1: Would B and C give the same answer to the question "Is Derryth wearing a hat?"

    True and False would not be able to answer this question because they do not know what Random will answer, only Random can answer it. This identifies at least one golem who is not Random.

    We ask this golem, or one of these two golems, in the case we got a response from the first golem we asked.
    Q2: Would you respond in a high pitched tone if I asked you the question is Derryth not wearing a hat? (NO)

    High Pitch is "No", Golem Truth.
    Response: Low Pitch

    High Pitch is "Yes", Golem Truth.
    Response: Low Pitch​

    Therefore a Low Pitch response will always reveal the Truth golem to this question, since we are sure this golem is not Random

    High Pitch is "No", Golem Liar.
    Response: High Pitch

    High Pitch is "Yes", Golem Liar.
    Response: High Pitch​

    Therefore a High Pitch response will always reveal the False golem to this question, since we are sure this golem is not Random

    So now we can identify either Truth or False. If it's Truth, then we no longer need continue. If the golem is False and we have not identified Random then we ask the third question, similar to the second.
    Q3: Would you respond in a high pitched tone if I asked you if you knew what (One of the Unknown Golems) would say in response to the question "Is Derryth wearing a hat?"

    High Pitch is "No", Subject Golem is Random.
    Response: LowPitch

    High Pitch is "Yes", Subject Golem is Random.
    Response: Low Pitch

    High Pitch is "No", Subject Golem is Truth.
    Response: High Pitch

    High Pitch is "Yes", Subject Golem is Truth.
    Response: High Pitch​

    So now we can identify Truth.

    EDIT: (Inverse mistake, rah)
    EDIT2: (Didn't actually make a mistake the first time, just tired.)
     
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  2. Nevill Arcane

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    Quite elegant. But how do you do it in 2 turns? Is there a Hat solution for that so that we don't have to bother with these monstrous constructions? :)
     
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  3. Smashing Axe Arcane Patron

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    It'd involve including multiple contingencies in the question and be a headache to construct. As things are though, if we identify random in the first question, or if we identify truth in the second question, we need not ask the third question.
     
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  4. Nevill Arcane

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    I think there might be enough solutions on offer to put them to a vote. I propose my own set of 2 questions:

    1) Derryth: "Golem A, if I took you and golem B and asked it first if you speak the truth, and then you second if what he just spoke of was true, would you both reply in the same high pitched tone?"

    If A is silent:
    2a) Derryth: "Golem A, if I asked golem C if you speak the truth, would it reply in a high pitched tone?"
    If it replies in a low pitch, choose A, otherwise choose C.

    If A replied in a low-pitch:
    2b) Derryth: "Golem B, if I took you and golem C and asked it first if you speak the truth, and then you second if what he just spoke of was true, would you both reply in the same high pitched tone?"
    If B is silent, choose A. If B replies in a low pitch, choose B. Otherwice choose C.

    If A replied in a high-pitch:
    2b) Derryth: "Golem B, if I took you and golem C and asked it first if you speak the truth, and then you second if what he just spoke of was true, would you both reply in the same high tone?"
    If B is silent or replies in a low pitch, choose B. Otherwise choose C.
     
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  5. Fangshi Arcane

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    So is everyone happy with the sets of questions?

    I will answer them when they get three votes.
     
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  6. Zero Credibility Arcane

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    D'oh. Edited.
     
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  7. Nevill Arcane

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    You sure? :) Wasn't it correct before?

    If high pitch means 'yes', then the answer to the question if A knows what random golem would say would be 'no'. Which means he would answer 'yes' in a high pitched tone if we asked about it. Therefore, the answer to our full question would be 'NO', in a low pitched tone, because we are asking a liar.

    And people are already voting for it. :)
     
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  8. Baltika9 Arcane

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    Voting for Nevill's two-part solution.
     
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  9. Smashing Axe Arcane Patron

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    :lol: It's too late for me to think clearly. I'm questioning my clearer headed self. The questions are correct though and that's what's being voted on. I just need to drill in my head if it's one set or the other for the third question's outcome.

    If the subject is Random, and High Pitch means yes, then the liar would say High Pitch if asked if he knew what random would say, so in response to the question he would say Low Pitch

    So yeah, you're right. My edit was wrong.
     
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  10. Fangshi Arcane

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    Ready to ask your questions yet?

    Or would you like more time?
     
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  11. Nevill Arcane

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    12 hours, and not a vote in sight.

    Are there any brave souls who want an early update?
     
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  12. Azira Arcane Patron

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    I'm refraining from voting, as I've cheated. Therefore, I don't mind an update, early or not. ;)
     
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  13. Fangshi Arcane

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    Well the current tally seems to be:

    Smashing Axe's 3 question "Hat" solution: 2 votes
    Smashing Axe
    Kz3r0

    Nevill's 2 question solution: 2 votes
    Nevill
    Baltika9

    So all it will take is one more vote and I can give you some information so you can actually begin to solve this... :lol:

    You still have a fair bit of time but I will be busy through most of the weekend so if you want another update before Monday I will need a decision within 20 hours or so.
     
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  14. Kz3r0 Arcane

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    That's a tie-breaker... :avatard:
     
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  16. Fangshi Arcane

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    He emits a high pitched whine.


    The golem hesitates, uncertain of what to do. It makes a sharp grinding noise but does not reply either high or low. You think it may have hurt itself... ;)
     
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  17. Nevill Arcane

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    So A is a liar, C is random. That leaves B.
     
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  18. Azira Arcane Patron

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    :avatard:
     
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  19. Nevill Arcane

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    And I forgot that's not how the voting works.

    F)You will solve this riddle and restore Nine's memories and powers.
    ii. Voters choice: We can run this how I would run a PnP session.
    B.
     
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  20. Kz3r0 Arcane

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    So the dice was right?:lol:
    Fuck, I solved this with zero questions, I am a genius, no, not really.
     
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  21. Nevill Arcane

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  22. Baltika9 Arcane

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    I...I'm sorry guys. The AXE WIZARD is too awesome.
    B
     
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  23. Kz3r0 Arcane

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    Following Nevill's example here my vote:
    F)You will solve this riddle and restore Nine's memories and powers.
    ii. Voters choice: We can run this how I would run a PnP session.
    B.
     
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  24. Smashing Axe Arcane Patron

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    Muh hat :(

    F
    ii.
    B
     
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